Discussion 2025: Super Early SC Planning Thread
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Hey mate, depends how serious you all are.
Deeper draft rewards those who spend the time researching, usually 3-4 'strong' teams dominate. Shallower draft is way more casual-friendly because draft day is quicker and most teams are pretty good, which makes it more competitive.
My league is 12 teams
5-7-1-5-1 field, 4 on the bench.
We enabled the flex player this year 19th man on field, any position. It made rucks more valuable which is a bit iffy, up to you!
We did 'play opponents once, skip byes'
Captains on etc
There were actually 401,840 SuperCoach teams in 2011 believe it or not - the drop off from this peak has been severe.
I had some of my better seasons back then when it felt like the majority of other teams in my leagues would fill their teams with midpricers, key forwards and fail to reach full premium. It was almost like the “Guns N' Rookies” strategy was a tightly held secret on a few internet forums back then and the majority of people playing could still enjoy the game casually.
Over the following years, the “Guns N' Rookies” strategy seemed to become more well known through podcasts and other easily accessible sources of good information. Although this expanded the amount of "experts" that now play the game, I suspect this turned off many of the casuals who didn't want to commit time to podcasts/research like we do and therefore participation numbers have dropped to less than half of where they were.
The rolling lockouts and loopholes haven't helped either like you suggest.
I had some of my better seasons back then when it felt like the majority of other teams in my leagues would fill their teams with midpricers, key forwards and fail to reach full premium. It was almost like the “Guns N' Rookies” strategy was a tightly held secret on a few internet forums back then and the majority of people playing could still enjoy the game casually.
Over the following years, the “Guns N' Rookies” strategy seemed to become more well known through podcasts and other easily accessible sources of good information. Although this expanded the amount of "experts" that now play the game, I suspect this turned off many of the casuals who didn't want to commit time to podcasts/research like we do and therefore participation numbers have dropped to less than half of where they were.
The rolling lockouts and loopholes haven't helped either like you suggest.
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The other thing is prize was like great, without being like lotto rich. If it had kept up with house prices it would be like $120k. Also the expected amount of effort to win now is insane. It's like when poker was on the tele and everyone thought they new how to play the elite were raking in serious returns, now its far more cut throat. People are smart, they recognise that serious effort and a bit of luck is required to win. That effort is killing the expected return and so with it participation. Without more and better prizes it will continue to fade.
Also the team naming and subs (killing good rookies) and everything, Thursday night games before teams are out, Round Zero, subs an hour before the game (not even from the bench, thanks Scotty) its genuinely rubbish for SC play. I enjoy the game more when I play SC, just wondering if its worth it. Perhaps to the rant thread for me....
Also the team naming and subs (killing good rookies) and everything, Thursday night games before teams are out, Round Zero, subs an hour before the game (not even from the bench, thanks Scotty) its genuinely rubbish for SC play. I enjoy the game more when I play SC, just wondering if its worth it. Perhaps to the rant thread for me....
It is interesting you mention the prizes, because SuperCoach still offers one of the more generous prizes I have seen for a fantasy sports game.
Fantasy Premier League (the English Premier League’s fantasy football game) for instance had 2.35 million players for the 2010-11 season and contrary to the participation trend in SuperCoach, has grown incredibly to 11.45 million players for the 2023-24 season. The prize? A 1 week holiday to the UK, a laptop, watch, headphones and a t-shirt….
Imagine beating 11.45 million players across the globe only to be compensated with little more than a 1 week holiday? Actually makes competing with 183K people for 50K in cash look pretty good!
Fantasy Premier League (the English Premier League’s fantasy football game) for instance had 2.35 million players for the 2010-11 season and contrary to the participation trend in SuperCoach, has grown incredibly to 11.45 million players for the 2023-24 season. The prize? A 1 week holiday to the UK, a laptop, watch, headphones and a t-shirt….
Imagine beating 11.45 million players across the globe only to be compensated with little more than a 1 week holiday? Actually makes competing with 183K people for 50K in cash look pretty good!
One of the fun things about finals is seeing which young players actually have a game that will work SC wise at the next level...
A few to watch in pre-season:
- Josh Ward averaged 52 in H&A but looked very good for his 100SC (with 9 tackles!) in the elim final
- He'll be popular, but you kind of forget that Max Holmes is only 22. 99 Ave this year but looked awesome with his 152 against Port.
- Not young, but will Caleb Daniel get some opportunities at another club? 50 Ave in H&A but still scored 98 in the final when given a chance.
- We know Ashcroft will be a gun and he's warmed into his work as he's come back from injury. He'll be priced at 82 next year which is a tough range to pick from, but Neale isn't getting any younger right?
A few to watch in pre-season:
- Josh Ward averaged 52 in H&A but looked very good for his 100SC (with 9 tackles!) in the elim final
- He'll be popular, but you kind of forget that Max Holmes is only 22. 99 Ave this year but looked awesome with his 152 against Port.
- Not young, but will Caleb Daniel get some opportunities at another club? 50 Ave in H&A but still scored 98 in the final when given a chance.
- We know Ashcroft will be a gun and he's warmed into his work as he's come back from injury. He'll be priced at 82 next year which is a tough range to pick from, but Neale isn't getting any younger right?
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It is interesting you mention the prizes, because SuperCoach still offers one of the more generous prizes I have seen for a fantasy sports game.
Fantasy Premier League (the English Premier League’s fantasy football game) for instance had 2.35 million players for the 2010-11 season and contrary to the participation trend in SuperCoach, has grown incredibly to 11.45 million players for the 2023-24 season. The prize? A 1 week holiday to the UK, a laptop, watch, headphones and a t-shirt….
Imagine beating 11.45 million players across the globe only to be compensated with little more than a 1 week holiday? Actually makes competing with 183K people for 50K in cash look pretty good!
Fantasy Premier League (the English Premier League’s fantasy football game) for instance had 2.35 million players for the 2010-11 season and contrary to the participation trend in SuperCoach, has grown incredibly to 11.45 million players for the 2023-24 season. The prize? A 1 week holiday to the UK, a laptop, watch, headphones and a t-shirt….
Imagine beating 11.45 million players across the globe only to be compensated with little more than a 1 week holiday? Actually makes competing with 183K people for 50K in cash look pretty good!
As for EPL prizes!
People overestimate the odds of an unlikely good event occurring, so it should be cost effective in driving participation!
As for gambling adds…#offtopic
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Looks like people are going to have to decide whether or not to spend up big on rucks next year.
Guys like Coleman, B Smith and other injury affected players especially on fwd/def lines are a shoe in.
Diacos/Sheezel staples on any line for the next 10 years...
I might not play next year my interest faded to nothing after mid season this year, as others above have discussed it's just so competitive at the top now 5k is the new 1k and SC just takes up too much time to be much fun anymore imo.
Guys like Coleman, B Smith and other injury affected players especially on fwd/def lines are a shoe in.
Diacos/Sheezel staples on any line for the next 10 years...
I might not play next year my interest faded to nothing after mid season this year, as others above have discussed it's just so competitive at the top now 5k is the new 1k and SC just takes up too much time to be much fun anymore imo.
Guess that means I finished about 1400th then this year after a shocker of a start, I fought back pretty well towards the end of the season, that felt like something to play for and keep the interest in.
I hope you don't give it away, fingers crossed they simplify the byes situation a lot more than they did this year!, that was painful.
after a shocker of a start, I fought back pretty well towards the end of the season, that felt like something to play for and keep the interest in.I hope you don't give it away, fingers crossed they simplify the byes situation a lot more than they did this year!, that was painful.
3 standouts for me pending their preseasons & exact roles.
Bailey Smith - Fwd/Mid priced about 315K playing mainly midfield at the cats I would expect. For mine it is a great landing spot for his SC relevancy
Caleb Daniel - Fwd/Mid priced about 275K. If he is playing half back at North (maybe McKercher gets moved to a wing/not sure his frame is big enough to play pure mid) as their playmaker/rebounder then he would be a lock. Similar vibes to Fisher, Hall & Ziebell previously.
Jack Macrae - Fwd/Mid priced about 400K. Saints obviously wanted an experienced quality mid to help out Steele. Like Smith, I think it is a great club he has moved to for him to become SC relevant again.
Bailey Smith - Fwd/Mid priced about 315K playing mainly midfield at the cats I would expect. For mine it is a great landing spot for his SC relevancy
Caleb Daniel - Fwd/Mid priced about 275K. If he is playing half back at North (maybe McKercher gets moved to a wing/not sure his frame is big enough to play pure mid) as their playmaker/rebounder then he would be a lock. Similar vibes to Fisher, Hall & Ziebell previously.
Jack Macrae - Fwd/Mid priced about 400K. Saints obviously wanted an experienced quality mid to help out Steele. Like Smith, I think it is a great club he has moved to for him to become SC relevant again.
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My favourite mid-pricers for next year:
Ashcroft - lock him in, I think he's safe for a 110-115 average
McKercher - lock him in if he's half-back, will follow in the footsteps of Sheezel and Daicos in their 2nd years
Bailey Smith - lock, only need to average 80-85 at his price to be worth picking
Daniel - lock if half-back, should get back to his best if playing in his favourite position
Coleman - lock if fit, should average 85-90 in his peak
Phillipou - maybe, if he has good CBAs in pre-season I think he can go 80+
Mills - maybe, needs to average 95+ so I'd probably pass if he's on the wing, but pick him if he's half-back
Macrae - maybe, could get back to 95-100 if he's got high CBAs
Docherty - maybe, not sure he's got another season in him but worth considering if he plays half-back
Ashcroft - lock him in, I think he's safe for a 110-115 average
McKercher - lock him in if he's half-back, will follow in the footsteps of Sheezel and Daicos in their 2nd years
Bailey Smith - lock, only need to average 80-85 at his price to be worth picking
Daniel - lock if half-back, should get back to his best if playing in his favourite position
Coleman - lock if fit, should average 85-90 in his peak
Phillipou - maybe, if he has good CBAs in pre-season I think he can go 80+
Mills - maybe, needs to average 95+ so I'd probably pass if he's on the wing, but pick him if he's half-back
Macrae - maybe, could get back to 95-100 if he's got high CBAs
Docherty - maybe, not sure he's got another season in him but worth considering if he plays half-back
