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From my perspective when you have options like Hanners/Libba, B Crouch really isn't an option for me. Has all the signs of a trap.
Interesting , do you care to elaborate ?

All 3 have their injury concerns , so must be a risk with them all or just with Crouch do you see too much competition for points with Gibbs , Sloane and his brother ?

Read something somewhere that Hanners felt he finally got his his body right in the last 6 weeks of the season.

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Interesting , do you care to elaborate ?

All 3 have their injury concerns , so must be a risk with them all or just with Crouch do you see too much competition for points with Gibbs , Sloane and his brother ?

Read something somewhere that Hanners felt he finally got his his body right in the last 6 weeks of the season.

Cheers
Yes I do see alot of competition in the Adelaide midfield, especially since they're more or less the same type of inside mids, rather than GWS/Collingwood with complementing inside/outside mids, allowing for more premium scoring.

Let's just leave the obvious injury concerns aside. I simply do not see B Crouch as being anything more than a B grade midfielder, he's never been anything more, and I have doubts that he will ever become an A grader from here, especially if he's missing so many games.

Hannebury/Libba I guess you can both say, if things go their way, because they have demonstrated elite scoring, that there's a chance for them to return to that level of scoring.

Overall, I still find it hard to select any of these players, but I do see Hannebury/Libba as being one whole tier better than B Crouch, as the conditions required for them to succeed is far less than what it takes for B Crouch to dominate.
 
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Yes I do see alot of competition in the Adelaide midfield, especially since they're more or less the same type of inside mids, rather than GWS/Collingwood with complementing inside/outside mids, allowing for more premium scoring.

Let's just leave the obvious injury concerns aside. I simply do not see B Crouch as being anything more than a B grade midfielder, he's never been anything more, and I have doubts that he will ever become an A grader from here, especially if he's missing so many games.

Hannebury/Libba I guess you can both say, if things go their way, because they have demonstrated elite scoring, that there's a chance for them to return to that level of scoring.

Overall, I still find it hard to select any of these players, but I do see Hannebury/Libba as being one whole tier better than B Crouch, as the conditions required for them to succeed is far less than what it takes for B Crouch to dominate.
Thanks for the detailed reply , makes a lot of sense.

I still have a lot to learn in this games , sometimes get too excited at just looking up a players price , and not looking at all the pros and cons.

Thanks for the insight.
 
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Thanks for the detailed reply , makes a lot of sense.

I still have a lot to learn in this games , sometimes get too excited at just looking up a players price , and not looking at all the pros and cons.

Thanks for the insight.
I agree with Prochard. Unless you think these guys are keepers you are still better picking a true premo or a rookie. I would only consider these players if I had finished my team, I had a spare $200k-$300k and I could put them on the ground averaging 90-100 instead of a rookie averaging 50-60. As mids only it is unlikely they will be within 10 points of the best mids so they end up in no mans land. Not making over $100k like a good rookie and needing to be traded to a proper keeper.
 
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I agree with Prochard. Unless you think these guys are keepers you are still better picking a true premo or a rookie. I would only consider these players if I had finished my team, I had a spare $200k-$300k and I could put them on the ground averaging 90-100 instead of a rookie averaging 50-60. As mids only it is unlikely they will be within 10 points of the best mids so they end up in no mans land. Not making over $100k like a good rookie and needing to be traded to a proper keeper.
Cheers mate.

It will all depend on the rookies as usual and how many look like viable scorers.

16 @ $ 125,000.00 = $ 2,000,00.00
14 @ $ 550,000.00 = $ 7,700,000.00

so maybe 3 @ $ 650,000.00 and no money left.

Gun mids , Gawn , Grundy , Danger (if F/M) are going to be over that price so need to find some "value" somewhere , Doc , Williams, Greene could all be Top 10 in their position.

Those miss I mentioned will never be keepers so just stepping stones who could go at 90+.

The higher priced rookies from the Draft are lucky to go at 65-70.

Impossible to go GnR's from the start , the secret is finding the value or identifying the breakouts.

Just my thoughts
 
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Interesting that all of Hall, Scrimshaw, Horlin-Smith, Lloyd and Stengle are given the same "value", a mid 60's pick.

On the face of it, it seems out of whack! :confused:
considering Scrimshaw has played 4 games (interesting article about him on AFL.com.au) and Stengle 2.

I gather they have no formula to value a players games played and potential to make it more understandable , still think a lot of these are "friendship" trades over a few season , you scratch our back we will scratch yours.
 

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If he can get healthy wow!

FORMER No.1 draft pick Tom Scully is officially a Hawk – and for the bargain-basement price of a 2019 fourth-round selection.

Complications around Scully's recovery from a broken right ankle, on top of Greater Western Sydney's salary cap woes, meant arriving at an appropriate value was difficult.

The 27-year-old midfielder is widely considered the AFL's best two-way runner, but whether he can return to that status remains a mystery.

Hawthorn football boss Graham Wright is backing the club's renowned medical team to resurrect Scully's career.

"We're thrilled to have negotiated a trade with GWS to bring Tom to Waverley," Wright said.

"He's an exceptional player and his endurance and work rate is second-to-none. Tom will help to boost our midfield stocks; offering the depth and versatility we were looking to add.

"We understand Tom has been suffering with an ankle injury, however we are fully confident our medical team will help get him back to full fitness."

Scully hurt his ankle in round two and failed in his attempted return late in the season before undergoing more surgery to remove screws and a plate about two months ago.

"Basically, from there he's got to be loaded up again, and that will happen over a period of time over the summer," Wright told NAB AFL Trade Radio.

"He's walking unencumbered at the moment and he's another five or six weeks away from starting to jog, which will coincide with us being back at training.

"It was a significant ankle injury and it comes with a bit of a risk."

Scully played 121 matches for GWS and was twice shortlisted for All Australian selection after leaving Melbourne at the end of 2011 to accept a $6 million, six-year deal.

He has signed a three-year contract at Hawthorn with a trigger built in for a fourth season.

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In further news, the Hawks traded dual premiership defender Taylor Duryea to the Western Bulldogs on Tuesday, but out-of-contract forward Ryan Schoenmakers and veteran Brendan Whitecross remain in limbo.
 
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considering Scrimshaw has played 4 games (interesting article about him on AFL.com.au) and Stengle 2.

I gather they have no formula to value a players games played and potential to make it more understandable , still think a lot of these are "friendship" trades over a few season , you scratch our back we will scratch yours.
With the Crows picking up Stengle and McAdams I’m guessing Lachie Murphy didn’t quite cut it as Charlie's replacement so I’d expect one or both to be getting a go next year which should make them great rookie choices (hopefully).
 
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Lovin the Scully trade :D
It’s a gamble, that ankle sounds stuffed. I’m not saying it can’t work out, but I reckon it can’t be better than 50/50 if even Hawthorn are calling it “complex”.
 
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Hanners, Libba, B Crouch and Scully, hmmm, I don't like picking injury prone players if I can avoid them.
It would be good to exactly see what injuries they had, but there doesn't seem to be any record of that. I suppose, if I decide to select any, I could google each player individually and see what I come up with.

Maybe there could be a comp to bet on next year, the winner is who picks, in the correct order of these player, to play the most games :)
 
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Hanners, Libba, B Crouch and Scully, hmmm, I don't like picking injury prone players if I can avoid them.
It would be good to exactly see what injuries they had, but there doesn't seem to be any record of that. I suppose, if I decide to select any, I could google each player individually and see what I come up with.

Maybe there could be a comp to bet on next year, the winner is who picks, in the correct order of these player, to play the most games :)
Libba - full knee recon
Crouch - op
Scully - ankle
Hanners - combo of knee and hip
 
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Libba - full knee recon
Crouch - op
Scully - ankle
Hanners - combo of knee and hip
Libba, so that normally means a player has a poor 1st year after a knee recon.
B Crouch, not sure what you mean by 'op', I remember hamstring, but a hamstring doesn't normally rule a player out for a season?
Scully's ankle, I read somewhere that it was a similar injury that forced Swan to end his career. So just really, how bad is his injury?
Hanners, knee and hip, but how bad? A type of injury that can heal back to normal, or an injury that will require constant attention, or an injury that will affect his game, or an injury that will likely occur again?

Some detailed injury info would help me decide to risk one of these players, or not. Most often clubs don't really say what injury a player has, or how really bad the injury is.
 
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I found this (op stands for operation :))

Brad Crouch Biography

Saturday, 2 June 2018
Brad Crouch will be sidelined for an extended period after being booked in for surgery due to a nagging groin injury.
"Brad's injury is not responding as well as we would have liked to the strengthening program that we have been undertaking," Adelaide football manager Brett Burton said.
 
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Libba, so that normally means a player has a poor 1st year after a knee recon.
B Crouch, not sure what you mean by 'op', I remember hamstring, but a hamstring doesn't normally rule a player out for a season?
Scully's ankle, I read somewhere that it was a similar injury that forced Swan to end his career. So just really, how bad is his injury?
Hanners, knee and hip, but how bad? A type of injury that can heal back to normal, or an injury that will require constant attention, or an injury that will affect his game, or an injury that will likely occur again?

Some detailed injury info would help me decide to risk one of these players, or not. Most often clubs don't really say what injury a player has, or how really bad the injury is.
OP is Osteitis Pubis which is inflammation of the public stmphysis and surrounding muscle insertions.

Article on AFL.com.au re Scully on his ankle and how he had it re-operated , Monday night on Trade Table they were suggesting he may not play again , Hawthorn must be confident they can fix it.

Thought Swan broke his foot.

Hanners knee injury goes back to the 2017 Grand Final , maybe shoot the Swans a email and they can let you know more about his injuries :)
 
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OP is Osteitis Pubis which is inflammation of the public stmphysis and surrounding muscle insertions.

Article on AFL.com.au re Scully on his ankle and how he had it re-operated , Monday night on Trade Table they were suggesting he may not play again , Hawthorn must be confident they can fix it.

Thought Swan broke his foot.

Hanners knee injury goes back to the 2017 Grand Final , maybe shoot the Swans a email and they can let you know more about his injuries :)
Thanks Herbie66. It would help us SCs if we knew just how serious their injuries are.

Hawthorn are not losing much in their gamble to trade in Scully, but us SuperCoaches could lose a valuable trade :)

RE: Swan broke his foot
Just googled: Scully fractured the fibula in his ankle and Swan suffered three broken bones in his foot, hmmm, not exactly the same.
 
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Thanks Herbie66. It would help us SCs if we knew just how serious their injuries are.

Hawthorn are not losing much in their gamble to trade in Scully, but us SuperCoaches could lose a valuable trade :)

RE: Swan broke his foot
Just googled: Scully fractured the fibula in his ankle and Swan suffered three broken bones in his foot, hmmm, not exactly the same.
Yes people have been crying out for years for clubs to be more transparent with injuries , we had the daily saga in Adelaide this year of various stories re their injuries.

I guess they don't want their opposition to know.

Interesting listening to Shaun Burgoyne on GF day , he only told a few of his team mates about his broken ribs , so even the players try and hide it.

Yeah I am not sure with Scully , I prefer Hanners or Libba around the same price if I decide on a mid pricer.

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Ding Dong Bell has given Bennell 1 final chance :)

He will be even cheaper for 2019 :)
 
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