Position Defenders Discussion
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I like Whitfield as a pick and he has been in and out of my side. With my current setup I just can’t fit him in plus I’m happy with my current selections.
I’m not buying into the Andrews playing forward talk one little bit. He’s an absolute gun backman and I’m confident that’s where we’ll see him for almost 100% of the season.
Haven’t really factored in the new rules in defence as I don’t think they will increase or decrease a player’s SC scores by all that much tbh. Just basically think that some of the guys mentioned have a good chance of reaching premium status or returning to premium status.
I’m not buying into the Andrews playing forward talk one little bit. He’s an absolute gun backman and I’m confident that’s where we’ll see him for almost 100% of the season.
Haven’t really factored in the new rules in defence as I don’t think they will increase or decrease a player’s SC scores by all that much tbh. Just basically think that some of the guys mentioned have a good chance of reaching premium status or returning to premium status.
He's obviously an injury risk, although outside of that I don't see a lot of downside given he's priced at 55. GC are a weak side short on mids, so I expect he will get some mid time, and he appears to be taking some kick ins too.
Edit: I also don't mind having one mid pricer per line because it adds a fair bit of structural flexibility. Relatively easy to upgrade/downgrade if needed. I think that's advantageous generally, but maybe especially so in a year where the def uncertainty is greater than normal.
Edit: I also don't mind having one mid pricer per line because it adds a fair bit of structural flexibility. Relatively easy to upgrade/downgrade if needed. I think that's advantageous generally, but maybe especially so in a year where the def uncertainty is greater than normal.
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That might be true he is at a good price but not a great price if he gets injured, and you could be in some trouble. I’m gonna go 2 premiums and 2 mid priced players in defence I think but I don’t think I’ll be going for a stepping stone type unless there’s a cheap mid priced keeper somewhere else. Some teams finish top 1k with 2 midpricers others with 6 or 7 I suppose you just pick who you think will score well.
At the moment I have quite a flexible setup with DPP as well (just posted it in the RMt thread, as it happens), so if Hanley got injured I could trade him to a def, mid, ruc or fwd. [It turns out I can get Mummy in by trading out any player on the field as well (Moore and Westhoff the keys).]
I think you're right in that there are many ways to skin a cat. Depending on where you draw the line, I have:
Intended cheap keepers: Wingard, Witherden, Williams
Outside chance keepers, likely stepping stones: Hanners, Hanley
Other mid-pricer: Moore
So I would probably argue I have 3, but some would call this up to 6.
Who are you looking at as your def mid pricers?
I think you're right in that there are many ways to skin a cat. Depending on where you draw the line, I have:
Intended cheap keepers: Wingard, Witherden, Williams
Outside chance keepers, likely stepping stones: Hanners, Hanley
Other mid-pricer: Moore
So I would probably argue I have 3, but some would call this up to 6.
Who are you looking at as your def mid pricers?
In a normal year I think Hanley is the clear favourite. He's around $35k cheaper than Smith, and a significantly better scorer.
Smith had one good year five years ago and averaged 94. Other than that he has been a 75-82 player. [He averaged 88 last year but the sample size was only two games.]. Given the average SC player scores 75 (3,300/44), I think he's just not that good a scorer.
Hanley has had a lot of injury issues over the last two years (only played 13 and 3), but played every game in 2016 and averaged 87. Prior to that he averaged 87, 104, 96 and 91. So he's much closer to a proper premium in my view. Smith really isn't Supercoach relevant most years.
This year both have some incremental tailwinds, obviously the key one being price.
Smith looks a good chance to take kick ins and should score better if he does so, assumingnthe rest of his role remains the same or SC neutral. I'm not sure how they set up with Milera developing and Laird and Smith in the side as well, so maybe he loses a few points there, or maybe Adelaide just get better.
Hanley will be playing in a very weak GC side (plenty of ball down back), and appears to be taking some kick ins too. Miles was supposedly recruited because GC needed some bigger, hardened bodies in the midfield. and I wonder whether Hanley is part of that solution as well. He's about their third heaviest midfielder, and obviously quite experienced, and GC moved Lyons on as well ... so arguably they need more than one replacement if they want to improve their mid setup net net.
If Smith is taking kick ins in JLT and looks to have a favourable role, and Hanley doesn't, I could see myself switching, but at the moment Hanley looks the better bet to me with a better scoring record, lower price, and a role that could be at least as favourable.
Is Hanley someone you had considered previously, or more of a new option from your perspective?
Smith had one good year five years ago and averaged 94. Other than that he has been a 75-82 player. [He averaged 88 last year but the sample size was only two games.]. Given the average SC player scores 75 (3,300/44), I think he's just not that good a scorer.
Hanley has had a lot of injury issues over the last two years (only played 13 and 3), but played every game in 2016 and averaged 87. Prior to that he averaged 87, 104, 96 and 91. So he's much closer to a proper premium in my view. Smith really isn't Supercoach relevant most years.
This year both have some incremental tailwinds, obviously the key one being price.
Smith looks a good chance to take kick ins and should score better if he does so, assumingnthe rest of his role remains the same or SC neutral. I'm not sure how they set up with Milera developing and Laird and Smith in the side as well, so maybe he loses a few points there, or maybe Adelaide just get better.
Hanley will be playing in a very weak GC side (plenty of ball down back), and appears to be taking some kick ins too. Miles was supposedly recruited because GC needed some bigger, hardened bodies in the midfield. and I wonder whether Hanley is part of that solution as well. He's about their third heaviest midfielder, and obviously quite experienced, and GC moved Lyons on as well ... so arguably they need more than one replacement if they want to improve their mid setup net net.
If Smith is taking kick ins in JLT and looks to have a favourable role, and Hanley doesn't, I could see myself switching, but at the moment Hanley looks the better bet to me with a better scoring record, lower price, and a role that could be at least as favourable.
Is Hanley someone you had considered previously, or more of a new option from your perspective?
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Thanks for your thoughts Darkie. I hadn’t really even thought about Hanley until you mentioned some interest in him. I have liked him previously, but his injuries over the past few years have really put me off him. Having said that, I haven’t paid much attention to his current recovery and training form, so perhaps that has been a blind spot for me. I do like the fact that he is cheaper than Smith and if he really is fully recovered and fit then he may be a very viable option to look at during JLT. Thanks for bringing him to my attention.
I don’t mind the Hanley pick, I normally shy away from those types but there’s a bunch of mid pricers at the same price point this year. If he spuds it up or gets injured early I think it will be fairly easy to replace him in one trade through DPP with Roberton, Miles, Greene, Daniher, Hanners & Libba amongst others a like for like replacement.
He’s shown he can score well when fit but age and history has me leaning towards the others mentioned at this point. He feels a lot like the Daniel Wells pick in 16 or 17 whenever it was and he ended up being incredibly beneficial for those that started him.
He’s shown he can score well when fit but age and history has me leaning towards the others mentioned at this point. He feels a lot like the Daniel Wells pick in 16 or 17 whenever it was and he ended up being incredibly beneficial for those that started him.
