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Yes, you may be right.
But with all the new AFL rules and the personal changes that PTA has made and the talk of PTA changing their way of playing (to speed up ball movement), well, I have no idea what SC pts Westhoff will score this year. Until I know for sure that he won't score well, he's still in my team.
But with all the new AFL rules and the personal changes that PTA has made and the talk of PTA changing their way of playing (to speed up ball movement), well, I have no idea what SC pts Westhoff will score this year. Until I know for sure that he won't score well, he's still in my team.
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I see it a bit this way. Last year was an outlier for him no doubt. This outlier year also happened to coincide with a massive spike in HO per game and injury to Ryder. I'd be very worried about his output this year with a fit Rider, Lycett drafted and fitness concerns over Dixon. If he's stuck forward with no Wines at the coalface, Sub 90 would not surprise me this year.
He historically sits somewhere between 85 - 95 pretty consistently. If the 2019 iteration has him closer to bottom end he’s probably not worth it, but the mid/high end puts him into top 10 forward territory while providing ruck cover.
More likely to need ruck cover mid/late season so I think it’s prudent to have a look at him before committing. Doesn’t really have those massive spike games that punish you either, generally 1 or 2 120+ a season. Just makes sense to wait and see from where I’m sitting.
More likely to need ruck cover mid/late season so I think it’s prudent to have a look at him before committing. Doesn’t really have those massive spike games that punish you either, generally 1 or 2 120+ a season. Just makes sense to wait and see from where I’m sitting.
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Made some updates - would love some feedback.
Whitfield, Andrews, Williams, Collins, Quaynor, Burgess (Wilkie, Hore)
Cripps, Fyfe, Kelly, Neale, Dusty, Libba, Walsh, Valente (Bewley, Hind, Gibbons)
Grundy, Goldy (Sweet)
Danger, McDonald, Heeney, Moore, Setterfield, Burgess (McAdam, Cavarra)
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Whitfield, Andrews, Williams, Collins, Quaynor, Burgess (Wilkie, Hore)
Cripps, Fyfe, Kelly, Neale, Dusty, Libba, Walsh, Valente (Bewley, Hind, Gibbons)
Grundy, Goldy (Sweet)
Danger, McDonald, Heeney, Moore, Setterfield, Burgess (McAdam, Cavarra)
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You've got Burgess listed twice FYI.
Personally, I think the defence is too weak but have no real issue with the premiums selected (McDonald could be a good POD, not sure)
I'd switch Moore into defence, downgrade Libba to a mid rookie (any of Gibbons/Bewley on the field) and either upgrade Goldy or find another mid-pricer in the forward line perhaps?
Would rather start a mid rookie (Gibbons/Bewley) then D6 of Burgess/Wilkie/Hore etc, at least based on pre-JLT.
Personally, I think the defence is too weak but have no real issue with the premiums selected (McDonald could be a good POD, not sure)
I'd switch Moore into defence, downgrade Libba to a mid rookie (any of Gibbons/Bewley on the field) and either upgrade Goldy or find another mid-pricer in the forward line perhaps?
Would rather start a mid rookie (Gibbons/Bewley) then D6 of Burgess/Wilkie/Hore etc, at least based on pre-JLT.
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Okay, this is the team of the rookiest rookie to ever rookie.
The only player I have ever heard of in all these lists is Dangerfield, and only because I bought a bottle of Gatorade with him on it recently and I thought he had a really cool sounding surname. So he's in my team for that reason and not because (as I have since found out) that he is awesome.
I am most worried about going so very cheap with my second ruckman. Hard to know who to downgrade in order to upgrade there though.
Thoughts appreciated.
The only player I have ever heard of in all these lists is Dangerfield, and only because I bought a bottle of Gatorade with him on it recently and I thought he had a really cool sounding surname. So he's in my team for that reason and not because (as I have since found out) that he is awesome.
I am most worried about going so very cheap with my second ruckman. Hard to know who to downgrade in order to upgrade there though.
Thoughts appreciated.
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my advice would be to clear your team and start again 
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actually for someone that allegedly knows nothing that is pretty damn good
Blakely in defence will need to go (injured) try Z Williams instead
downgrade Lloyd in defence to Burgess then upgrade Sweet to Goldstein/Westhoff
Quaynor & Scrimshaw may not play Round 1 but worry about that later.
Great effort Mr Pookus
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actually for someone that allegedly knows nothing that is pretty damn good
Blakely in defence will need to go (injured) try Z Williams instead
downgrade Lloyd in defence to Burgess then upgrade Sweet to Goldstein/Westhoff
Quaynor & Scrimshaw may not play Round 1 but worry about that later.
Great effort Mr Pookus
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my advice would be to clear your team and start again
hahaha
actually for someone that allegedly knows nothing that is pretty damn good
Blakely in defence will need to go (injured) try Z Williams instead
hahaha
actually for someone that allegedly knows nothing that is pretty damn good
Blakely in defence will need to go (injured) try Z Williams instead
. This will be an interesting year.I made that Blakely>Williams trade,
Also downgraded Macrae to Merrett in order to upgrade Sweet to Naismith, whom I put on field
Thanks for the help!
It's weird to be building a team where the names don't connect to anything in my mind , just picking them off what posters here say about them and their confidence. Almost included Clayton Oliver just because one poster declared he was a beast so emphatically I couldnt help but be swayed . This will be an interesting year.
I made that Blakely>Williams trade,
Also downgraded Macrae to Merrett in order to upgrade Sweet to Naismith, whom I put on field
Thanks for the help!
. This will be an interesting year.I made that Blakely>Williams trade,
Also downgraded Macrae to Merrett in order to upgrade Sweet to Naismith, whom I put on field
Thanks for the help!
There are some master coaches here , and a wealth of people able to offer advice , comments , suggestions , just need to wade through it all.
A wealth of information gets handed out (some argue it is too much) but looking at your side you probably have approx 20+ players that the majority are picking at this stage , as per most fantasy games though final teams and structure will depend on how many rookies are named and positioned where.
thought I said get Goldstein or Westhoff and you end up with Naismith , please delete him and try again.
Sometimes I think the less you know about a sport the better , so if you maintain your interest , I suspect you will finish Top ?
It sounds like you've decided to try Westhoff, so I'm assuming you've formed a view re the rookie looping. For what it's worth, my estimate from my prior post was just over the first four rounds, in case I trade in Mumford in round five.
In terms of it being unlikely that there's a resting early, I would agree with that, although I'm less sure of why injury risks would be greater later on?
I did a quick check of the top four rucks of recent years (as mentioned in a recent post elsewhere - Grundy, Gawn, Goldy and Martin). The numbers would very likely be worse if you included Ryder, Kreuzer, NicNat and others.
Last 3 seasons, total games missed and seasons with <22 games played
Grundy 3, 2
Gawn 9, 1
Goldy 4, 2
Stef 2, 1
So on average even the durable ones have missed 1.5 games each, and had a 50-50 chance of missing at least one. Grundy missed round one (admittedly you presumably wouldn't start him if that happened), Goldy missed round two (I'm pretty sure I traded him to Higgins last minute, it was a deeply frustrating experience), and Gawn missed round four onwards.
You're right in that Westhoff isn't providing me with cover early on, so that value really comes later in the season.
In terms of it being unlikely that there's a resting early, I would agree with that, although I'm less sure of why injury risks would be greater later on?
I did a quick check of the top four rucks of recent years (as mentioned in a recent post elsewhere - Grundy, Gawn, Goldy and Martin). The numbers would very likely be worse if you included Ryder, Kreuzer, NicNat and others.
Last 3 seasons, total games missed and seasons with <22 games played
Grundy 3, 2
Gawn 9, 1
Goldy 4, 2
Stef 2, 1
So on average even the durable ones have missed 1.5 games each, and had a 50-50 chance of missing at least one. Grundy missed round one (admittedly you presumably wouldn't start him if that happened), Goldy missed round two (I'm pretty sure I traded him to Higgins last minute, it was a deeply frustrating experience), and Gawn missed round four onwards.
You're right in that Westhoff isn't providing me with cover early on, so that value really comes later in the season.
Thanks for your thoughts - I agree that Westhoff's additional value is variable. I suspect some people would discount it as a result, although expected points are still expected points in my view ... there's no guarantee that the players we choose deliver the points we anticipate, even directly. It does swing around based on factors like the other ruck options though, it's not just down to Westhoff's performance.
Regarding Mumford, he was in my starting side, with Westhoff forward (I like Westhoff as a standalone pick, but he also helped facilitate Mummy), until recently.
I obviously removed Mumford to make room for Hoff at R2, so the likelihood of me picking Mummy at some point is falling, but probably still better than 50-50. I think he's risky, but a good option as a stepping stone if fit, especially given I'm quite happy to have a "placeholder" R2 until I decide who I want to upgrade to (I used Lycett for this purpose last year, and like this setup again this year). So I would pick Westhoff regardless, for the reasons I mentioned, and would ideally pick Mumford independent of Westhoff also (the two round suspension being the issue with starting him) ... but I think they complement each other well.
Regarding Mumford, he was in my starting side, with Westhoff forward (I like Westhoff as a standalone pick, but he also helped facilitate Mummy), until recently.
I obviously removed Mumford to make room for Hoff at R2, so the likelihood of me picking Mummy at some point is falling, but probably still better than 50-50. I think he's risky, but a good option as a stepping stone if fit, especially given I'm quite happy to have a "placeholder" R2 until I decide who I want to upgrade to (I used Lycett for this purpose last year, and like this setup again this year). So I would pick Westhoff regardless, for the reasons I mentioned, and would ideally pick Mumford independent of Westhoff also (the two round suspension being the issue with starting him) ... but I think they complement each other well.
Looks really good to me.
Part of it is probably that we share 11 premiums and 23 players in total, but I think it's nicely balanced. That probably reinforces the idea that it's a bit vanilla, but you could make two or three changes later in, when we have more information, and still have a very solid base that you'd be working from.
For what it's worth Kelly would be my first to trim (I'm just not sure how he will start the year, it sounds like he may get a number of tags early), and you may want to consider Moore to go with Miles ... handy DPP loop, cheap, and appears to be going well so far and taking kickins. No doubt more mid pricers will present though!
I was tossing up Wingard, Mclean, Dunkley and Gresham for F4 recently. I think there are arguments each way, but Dunkley's mid time seemed to really ramp up only when Mclean hurt his shoulder, so I'm not sure how to read that in terms of who has first dibs on the extra mid minutes, or whether there are enough to go around for both of them now. I think some may be assuming it's Dunkley's to lose, and that may still be the case, but I think there's more risk around that after being reminded of Mcleans injury.
Part of it is probably that we share 11 premiums and 23 players in total, but I think it's nicely balanced. That probably reinforces the idea that it's a bit vanilla, but you could make two or three changes later in, when we have more information, and still have a very solid base that you'd be working from.
For what it's worth Kelly would be my first to trim (I'm just not sure how he will start the year, it sounds like he may get a number of tags early), and you may want to consider Moore to go with Miles ... handy DPP loop, cheap, and appears to be going well so far and taking kickins. No doubt more mid pricers will present though!
I was tossing up Wingard, Mclean, Dunkley and Gresham for F4 recently. I think there are arguments each way, but Dunkley's mid time seemed to really ramp up only when Mclean hurt his shoulder, so I'm not sure how to read that in terms of who has first dibs on the extra mid minutes, or whether there are enough to go around for both of them now. I think some may be assuming it's Dunkley's to lose, and that may still be the case, but I think there's more risk around that after being reminded of Mcleans injury.
I think quite a few people attribute Westhoff's better scoring last year to more hitouts (not suggesting you are necessarily in this camp), but as it turns out the numbers don't back that up.
Westhoff registered 10+ hitouts in 7 games last year, and not one of those was in his top 5 SC scores for the year.
He also hit new career highs in disposals, tackles, clearances and rebound 50s last year.
Westhoff registered 10+ hitouts in 7 games last year, and not one of those was in his top 5 SC scores for the year.
He also hit new career highs in disposals, tackles, clearances and rebound 50s last year.
Cheers for the feedback mate. If Kelly goes down to Miles there’s enough funds there to pop Moore in forward and Roberton down back, though I’m not overly comfortable with Roberton and Moore’s a wait and see.
The other route is Kelly to Miles, Zerrett to Macrae and Moore in which I think I prefer to the Roberton route.
Dunkley comes with risk and as I said I’m open to whichever F4 presents through the JLT. The four you mentioned Menegola and Worpel being at the head of the queue.
The other route is Kelly to Miles, Zerrett to Macrae and Moore in which I think I prefer to the Roberton route.
Dunkley comes with risk and as I said I’m open to whichever F4 presents through the JLT. The four you mentioned Menegola and Worpel being at the head of the queue.
That's actually quite a good side, especially if you get a better second ruck in there as Herbie suggested.
Have a look at this link for what you might think of as your premium shopping list:
https://supercoachscores.com/threads/pit-averages-durability-v-higher-ceiling-iii.3998/
If you worked off that, cross checked their scoring records/2018 averages for pricing on Footywire, and copied the popular rookies from this thread closer to lockout, I suspect you'd have a starting side better than a high proportion of coaches.
Have a look at this link for what you might think of as your premium shopping list:
https://supercoachscores.com/threads/pit-averages-durability-v-higher-ceiling-iii.3998/
If you worked off that, cross checked their scoring records/2018 averages for pricing on Footywire, and copied the popular rookies from this thread closer to lockout, I suspect you'd have a starting side better than a high proportion of coaches.