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Thanks for the reply, English interests me because of what I read recently: "....been the talk of the Dogs’ pre-season, with the highly touted ruckman seemingly ready to take on the duties as a best 22".
My thoughts below:
RE: 1) He's not around $400k+
Ok. With the crowded Midfielders I would not have considered $310,600 'around', but in the sparse Rucks, I did. But that's not important
RE: 2) Needs to be picked every week (no certainty that will happen yet, after 2 games and 7 games in his first 2 years.)
I'm thinking the WBDs need to play him because they haven't got many ruckmen to choose from, Roughead gone and Boyd injured for a while. Also, the new rules, 2 ruckmen may be the way to go this season, so I see him in their best 22. His season last year was derailed by a foot injury and he is having a good preseason now.
RE: 3) He needs to average mid to high 80's to make that $100k, and he's never scored that high, in even a single game!
English won't turn 22 until August, so he is young for a ruckman and won't hit his full potential this year, but I understand his low scoring, being 105cm and he was light weight, but word around is that he has put on enough weight to be competitive this year. So an increase to mid 80s seems quite possible to me.
My thoughts below:
RE: 1) He's not around $400k+
Ok. With the crowded Midfielders I would not have considered $310,600 'around', but in the sparse Rucks, I did. But that's not important
RE: 2) Needs to be picked every week (no certainty that will happen yet, after 2 games and 7 games in his first 2 years.)
I'm thinking the WBDs need to play him because they haven't got many ruckmen to choose from, Roughead gone and Boyd injured for a while. Also, the new rules, 2 ruckmen may be the way to go this season, so I see him in their best 22. His season last year was derailed by a foot injury and he is having a good preseason now.
RE: 3) He needs to average mid to high 80's to make that $100k, and he's never scored that high, in even a single game!
English won't turn 22 until August, so he is young for a ruckman and won't hit his full potential this year, but I understand his low scoring, being 105cm and he was light weight, but word around is that he has put on enough weight to be competitive this year. So an increase to mid 80s seems quite possible to me.
I actually expect his JS is better than his game count suggests, however ......
At his price, and what your expecting to get from him, he's not for me right now. If really shows something in the JLT, possibly I change my mind.
I think the risk is too great, picking a player with the hope/expectation that he will average a score higher than he has ever achieved in a single game. It's also about 8-9 higher than his 2nd best score ever. While it doesn't seem to be hoping for too much, on the face of it, for a (possibly) JS secure team R1 to average say 85, keep these 2 things in mind. Last season only 8 Rucks that played 20+ games achieved that average or better, even Kreuzer only coughed up an 80 average! So you are hoping he's going to jump from a Rookie, into the top 8 Rucks with JS!
It could happen, but it's not something you should plan on, but rather cross your fingers and hope!
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Yep, which is what I said I think.
12 if you include Big Cox who is now a fwd only.
So to me it looks like a good chance for a ruckman to score 85+ should they get 20 games into them.
No one there sharing ruck duties either, Westhoff maybe but he makes his money around the ground and tops up with hit outs.
12 if you include Big Cox who is now a fwd only.
So to me it looks like a good chance for a ruckman to score 85+ should they get 20 games into them.
No one there sharing ruck duties either, Westhoff maybe but he makes his money around the ground and tops up with hit outs.
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Below is what I'm thinking about English based on what I have been reading this year (happy to be corrected if I'm wrong!)
English (205cm) will be WBD's main ruckman
until Boyd returns from injury (Tom Boyd’s season appears in doubt - Herald-Sun 26/2/19)
and Trengove (197cm) will be the support ruckman
and I think Sweet (203cm and 6 mths younger then English) a backup if English or Trengove is injured.
So I'm thinking, English has good job security, but what is concerning me is how much time will he spend as the main ruckman, hmmm?,
I think his height, his new bulk, the new rules and his good inside midfielders will be good for his scoring.
With so much unknowns with the rucks this year, a Cash Cow in R2 could be a good selection. At the moment, (until the JLTs are over), of all the possible CCs, I think English has the best job security to make $100,000 profit, to be upgraded later in the season. Yeah, he is expensive, young and inexperienced, but the odds favour (according to me) he can do it. He doesn't have to be a top ruckman, just make enough money for an upgrade.
WBDs play from Rd1, SYD, HAW, NTH, STK, CAR, FRE, RIC, BRS, GEE, NTH, WCE, Rd12 Bye. No Grundy or Gawn to worry about helps his scoring. If English starts to tire later in the year, doesn't matter, because he will be traded out.
Regarding the fact that he hasn't scored high in the past, I put it down that he was too light weighted and too easily pushed aside to be competitive, I think that has been addressed (……..word around is that he has put on enough weight to be competitive this year.....).
When English is rested up forward, chances are he could score goals to boost his points (…….excellent rucking skills, kicking ability and ground work...…).
Yeah, English is expensive and he breaks a lot of my selection rules, but at the moment he's the best ruck CC that I like.
And finally, English is not a lock, but right up there on my list.
English (205cm) will be WBD's main ruckman
until Boyd returns from injury (Tom Boyd’s season appears in doubt - Herald-Sun 26/2/19)
and Trengove (197cm) will be the support ruckman
and I think Sweet (203cm and 6 mths younger then English) a backup if English or Trengove is injured.
So I'm thinking, English has good job security, but what is concerning me is how much time will he spend as the main ruckman, hmmm?,
I think his height, his new bulk, the new rules and his good inside midfielders will be good for his scoring.
With so much unknowns with the rucks this year, a Cash Cow in R2 could be a good selection. At the moment, (until the JLTs are over), of all the possible CCs, I think English has the best job security to make $100,000 profit, to be upgraded later in the season. Yeah, he is expensive, young and inexperienced, but the odds favour (according to me) he can do it. He doesn't have to be a top ruckman, just make enough money for an upgrade.
WBDs play from Rd1, SYD, HAW, NTH, STK, CAR, FRE, RIC, BRS, GEE, NTH, WCE, Rd12 Bye. No Grundy or Gawn to worry about helps his scoring. If English starts to tire later in the year, doesn't matter, because he will be traded out.
Regarding the fact that he hasn't scored high in the past, I put it down that he was too light weighted and too easily pushed aside to be competitive, I think that has been addressed (……..word around is that he has put on enough weight to be competitive this year.....).
When English is rested up forward, chances are he could score goals to boost his points (…….excellent rucking skills, kicking ability and ground work...…).
Yeah, English is expensive and he breaks a lot of my selection rules, but at the moment he's the best ruck CC that I like.
And finally, English is not a lock, but right up there on my list.
I've had Gawn/Grundy locked away for a while now. It means i'm probably 1 prem down at least on other teams. Or i get fancy with a 1 or 2 midpriced picks.
Even say a Gawn/Goldy or grundy/goldy combo is alot of $$$
This is a difficult one this year.
Maybe we can take a very big gamble and go mummy and 2 rookies and load up on every other line - then i feel some rookies on other lines will bob up and score a few good games and i could of looped them and would of scored better having set and forget rucks.
Personally i'm more than likely locking in gawn and grundy. I still feel these guys will be 1 and 2 overall and will kill the cox ruck curse
Even say a Gawn/Goldy or grundy/goldy combo is alot of $$$
This is a difficult one this year.
Maybe we can take a very big gamble and go mummy and 2 rookies and load up on every other line - then i feel some rookies on other lines will bob up and score a few good games and i could of looped them and would of scored better having set and forget rucks.
Personally i'm more than likely locking in gawn and grundy. I still feel these guys will be 1 and 2 overall and will kill the cox ruck curse
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@Ben's Beasts Surely Preuss doesn't start round 1?
Looked to run out of gas real early today, Soldo and Nankervis worked him over to be fair and it was hot but really didn't show too much. Has that same feeling as the last few pre-seasons at NM.
Looked to run out of gas real early today, Soldo and Nankervis worked him over to be fair and it was hot but really didn't show too much. Has that same feeling as the last few pre-seasons at NM.
