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[30BucketsofRo]

Amazing night of sport. Stayed up the whole night to watch the tennis and cricket. Both of the right down to the wire. Shame both Fed and NZ lost despite both arguably performing better in their respective matches.

Have to say, I honestly feel that was one of the luckiest wins ever in the history of sport for England. That deflection for 4 overthrows literally lost NZ the match. Hope the rule for that gets changed, because it's a BS way to lose a tight match. Also, stiff to lose the match because they tied the super over and the rule about more boundaries being the decided. Feel that you should keep playing till there is a clear winner, like a penalty shootout.
Still can't believe how stiff you have to be lose a World Cup final due to a deflection overthrow for 4 off the 3rd last ball of the game. Honestly if a throw hits the batsmen it shouldn't be counted as overthrows

 

[7/11]

Amazing night of sport. Stayed up the whole night to watch the tennis and cricket. Both of the right down to the wire. Shame both Fed and NZ lost despite both arguably performing better in their respective matches.

Have to say, I honestly feel that was one of the luckiest wins ever in the history of sport for England. That deflection for 4 overthrows literally lost NZ the match. Hope the rule for that gets changed, because it's a BS way to lose a tight match. Also, stiff to lose the match because they tied the super over and the rule about more boundaries being the decided. Feel that you should keep playing till there is a clear winner, like a penalty shootout.
Still can't believe how stiff you have to be lose a World Cup final due to a deflection overthrow for 4 off the 3rd last ball of the game. Honestly if a throw hits the batsmen it shouldn't be counted as overthrows

Also watched it the whole way through, though NZ can put it down to one act that would never have let the game get that close.

Boult’s mistake on the boundary when he caught it and didn’t release the ball immediately. There was an extra 4 runs right there or the opportunity to put the game to bed if he released straight to his teammate and affected the dismissal.

Do agree though, most boundaries scored is a rubbish rule. Would’ve thought they’d just award the game a tie after the super over was tied or perhaps run another super over until a winner was found.

 

[Herbie66]

Australia A 362/4 v England Lions

Burns 19
Harris 34
Patterson 32
Head 130 *
Wade 114
Marsh , M 24 *

 

[OzRulesFootball]

Match tied but Kiwis lose less wickets, Kiwis beat England in previous meeting, but then play a super over and when thoee scores tied it is not the side that won previously that is determined to be ahead overall for Cup or loss of wickets to decide... bloody boundaries , seriously, what a stupid way to decide it. Most cruel way to lose a final I can remember.

Feel for the Kiwis given circumstances of all that.

 

[7/11]

Match tied but Kiwis lose less wickets, Kiwis beat England in previous meeting, but then play a super over and when thoee scores tied it is not the side that won previously that is determined to be ahead overall for Cup or loss of wickets to decide... bloody boundaries , seriously, what a stupid way to decide it. Most cruel way to lose a final I can remember.

Feel for the Kiwis given circumstances of all that.

Would like to point out that NZ lost to England in the group stages otherwise England would’ve been out for Pakistan.

 

[OzRulesFootball]

Would like to point out that NZ lost to England in the group stages otherwise England would’ve been out for Pakistan.

ha ha. Good point. Lost track of that in so many games played.
That is one less cruel about it.
Rule of boundaries is still stupid way to decide. Poms winning previous game should have been the tiebreaker.
I think cruel twist of fate having the runs from throw from fielder coming off runners bat to the boundary. Man, that is torture for Kiwis to watch unfold when it did. Bolt touching boundary connector just as he threw back ball to fielder and then a six in so close to the Cup being Kiwis.

Those players probably never get this chance again. Two World Cup finals in a row. Last time beaten quite easily but this one will live with those players forever as what ifs and cruel end for them.
Having a Kiwi born on other team and he is man of match.... cruelty to power of ten...

 

[Herbie66]

25 man Squad for Australia v Australia A

Bancroft , Burns , Handscomb , Harris , Head , Khawaja , Labuschagne , M Marsh , Patterson , Pucovski , Smith , Wade , Warner

Carey , Paine

Bird , Cummins , Hazlewood , Neser , Pattinson , Siddle , Starc , Tremain

Holland , Lyon

Hopefully Cummins , Hazlewood , Starc , Lyon will actually play for Australia A so they get to test the Australia batsmen.

 

[Diabolical]

25 man Squad for Australia v Australia A

Bancroft , Burns , Handscomb , Harris , Head , Khawaja , Labuschagne , M Marsh , Patterson , Pucovski , Smith , Wade , Warner

Carey , Paine

Bird , Cummins , Hazlewood , Neser , Pattinson , Siddle , Starc , Tremain

Holland , Lyon

Hopefully Cummins , Hazlewood , Starc , Lyon will actually play for Australia A so they get to test the Australia batsmen.

Why can’t the test batsmen play for Australia A?

Oh, silly me, that would mean Wade plays for Australia!

 

[Herbie66]

Why can’t the test batsmen play for Australia A?

Oh, silly me, that would mean Wade plays for Australia!

That would probably work as well ?

13 batsmen named (if Khawaja is not fit , Wade plays)

Bancroft/Burns/Harris
Warner
Khawaja (?)
Smith
Head
Handscomb/Labuschagne/Marsh/Patterson/Pucovski/Wade

Ashes Squad expected to be 16.

 

[7/11]

That would probably work as well ?

13 batsmen named (if Khawaja is not fit , Wade plays)

Bancroft/Burns/Harris
Warner
Khawaja (?)
Smith
Head
Handscomb/Labuschagne/Marsh/Patterson/Pucovski/Wade

Ashes Squad expected to be 16.

Don’t think Labuschagne and Patterson will be up for the challenge of an Ashes series. Foot work has always been a problem for Patterson so I’d rather not expose him to Anderson and Broad in English conditions. Handscomb is a straight out no given what we saw just recently as he hasn’t improved his shortcomings. I just don’t think Labuschagne is good enough, but that’s a personal opinion from what I’ve seen.

If Khawaja is available it makes selections a bit easier and I would go with the following:

Warner
Bancroft
Khawaja
Smith
Head
Burns
Paine
Pattinson
Cummins
Starc
Lyon

Other members:

Harris, Wade, Tremain, Bird, Hazelwood

Bancroft did fairly well against the dukes ball in the domestic competition so I’d be running with him. Feel like he’s got the hunger to prove himself. Harris I don’t believe has quite the patience to get himself through the testing spells that he’ll face over there, but he’s the next opener in line unless we swing Burns up top and move Wade into 6-7.

Not carrying any allrounders in that squad as we should be backing our best 4 bowlers in to do the job in those conditions. I’m sure Mitch Marsh will be selected and they’ll pick a backup spinner for Lyon but it’s honestly a wasted selection if we do that.

Hazelwood misses on selection for the first XI mainly because I think Pattinson and Cummins are better options and Starc offers a left arm option. He’s a straight swap in for any of the 3 if any prove unfit to play or struggling for form.

 

[Herbie66]

Don’t think Labuschagne and Patterson will be up for the challenge of an Ashes series. Foot work has always been a problem for Patterson so I’d rather not expose him to Anderson and Broad in English conditions. Handscomb is a straight out no given what we saw just recently as he hasn’t improved his shortcomings. I just don’t think Labuschagne is good enough, but that’s a personal opinion from what I’ve seen.

If Khawaja is available it makes selections a bit easier and I would go with the following:

Warner
Bancroft
Khawaja
Smith
Head
Burns
Paine
Pattinson
Cummins
Starc
Lyon

Other members:

Harris, Wade, Tremain, Bird, Hazelwood

Bancroft did fairly well against the dukes ball in the domestic competition so I’d be running with him. Feel like he’s got the hunger to prove himself. Harris I don’t believe has quite the patience to get himself through the testing spells that he’ll face over there, but he’s the next opener in line unless we swing Burns up top and move Wade into 6-7.

Not carrying any allrounders in that squad as we should be backing our best 4 bowlers in to do the job in those conditions. I’m sure Mitch Marsh will be selected and they’ll pick a backup spinner for Lyon but it’s honestly a wasted selection if we do that.

Hazelwood misses on selection for the first XI mainly because I think Pattinson and Cummins are better options and Starc offers a left arm option. He’s a straight swap in for any of the 3 if any prove unfit to play or struggling for form.

Great summary.

Certainly hoping Khawaja is fit.

Warner , Khawaja , Smith & Head are all locks to me.

I think after that it is all a bit of a lottery.

I am not a big fan of Harris at test level , haven't seen enough of Patterson.

Surely they won't pick Labuschagne just because he can bowl a bit.

Bancroft/Burns/Harris to partner Warner.

I would have played Wade against India , bloke can't do much more , just don't think they will pick him.

I would play Patto ahead of Hazlewood.

Think we need to be careful how we manage the fast bowlers , 5 Tests in 7 weeks.

Once again though going into a Test Series on the back of 1 first class game for our Bowlers looms as a disaster.

Not sure on Anderson's fitness , Archer may have a side strain as well.

Appears Roy will open with Burns/Jennings , Root reluctant to bat at 3 but Root , Bairstow , Stokes , Buttler makes sense 3-6.

 

[Herbie66]

Sam Curran 6/95 against Australia A.

Paine & 3 others enjoying the English ?

 

[7/11]

I know a bit about Patterson from playing against him a little plus seeing patterns in the way he gets out. Even in that century he hit he throws his hands at a few drives outside off. That was on a slow Manuka pitch. He absolutely will not get away with it in England.

Even if Anderson and Archer aren’t fit, England still have Woakes who is a sensational bowler in English conditions. Broad will be raring to go and there’s always a couple of bowlers waiting in the wings who are very handy in their conditions.

If we we pick a combination of Handscomb, Patterson and Labuschagne in the squad I’m going to be pretty annoyed.

 

[Tails]

Carey not a chance ... been getting some good runs ...

I guess the answer is no but a left field option I'd consider ... in country and not in too bad form ..

 

[Herbie66]

Carey not a chance ... been getting some good runs ...

I guess the answer is no but a left field option I'd consider ... in country and not in too bad form ..

1st class average of 29 ish doesn't inspire me that he could play Tests as a specialist batsmen , they have done some weird selection in the last few years so who knows.

Hopefully the 13 batsmen are all above him.

 

[Tails]

1st class average of 29 ish doesn't inspire me that he could play Tests as a specialist batsmen , they have done some weird selection in the last few years so who knows.

Hopefully the 13 batsmen are all above him.

Was more thinking is Paine above him or Wade .... lower order runs might be gold ...

 

[Herbie66]

Was more thinking is Paine above him or Wade .... lower order runs might be gold ...

Paine is the captain.

Only one broken finger away though from missing a test , so good question would Carey or Wade take the gloves.

Still not convinced on Carey's ability as a WK but you would hope it is better than Wade's (Lyon would be hoping so too)

 

[Herbie66]

that's got me thinking now

were Cummins & Head VC for the Sri Lanka series ?

curious now who will be VC , does Hazlewood get it back know he is fit again ?

 

[poopingHindi]

Carey is surely next in line with the gloves.
If Wade plays for Australia again it will be as a number 5 or 6 batsman.

 

[OzRulesFootball]

How long until Ashes starts? I am pumped for it.
Cannot wait to unleash Patto on those Poms.