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I can see the argument re Starc but would have thought Hazlewood was a shoo in. His recent record isn’t as good as I thought, admittedly, but conditions should suit him. I suspect they’ll play at least one.

I think we need to look at who will score the most runs in those conditions as well. Apparently Labuschagne has scored 1,000 runs in the county season, and may have even been the first one to the mark (?). I had previously thought he would be about our 8th choice as a batsman but if that’s representative, surely we should pick him.

2nd Division, which is significantly weaker, but runs are runs I guess. Hard to say who will get the nod, but I doubt we'd be getting much bowling out of either him or Marsh if the English' batting perform like they have today.

 

[OzRulesFootball]

Well that was different.
Tim Murtagh 5 wickets with lack of pace. movement and accuracy his weapon over the Poms. Average bowling speed probably just less than 120 km/h. Bairstow tried to bat out of crease to deal with it. Actually caught umpires attention by being so far out of crease he in danger of messing up the pitch itself. Never seen that before. Got some warnings but only watched highlights. He got bowled eventually by Murtagh. Food for thought for our Aussies that the old Terry Alderman type swing, line and length probably rules in England than raw pace itself. Most Test players are expecting 130 to 148 km/h pace for seamers. Not 115 to 120 km/h and that accurate.

 

[jaca]

If Australia play like they think it’s the WACA they’ll leave very tired. Think you’ve nailed the better approach, albeit perhaps not quite so slow.

 

[Herbie66]

Well that was different.
Tim Murtagh 5 wickets with lack of pace. movement and accuracy his weapon over the Poms. Average bowling speed probably just less than 120 km/h. Bairstow tried to bat out of crease to deal with it. Actually caught umpires attention by being so far out of crease he in danger of messing up the pitch itself. Never seen that before. Got some warnings but only watched highlights. He got bowled eventually by Murtagh. Food for thought for our Aussies that the old Terry Alderman type swing, line and length probably rules in England than raw pace itself. Most Test players are expecting 130 to 148 km/h pace for seamers. Not 115 to 120 km/h and that accurate.

hence my posts on the previous page re actually trying to use some "science" for once in English conditions and utilising Bird & Siddle in particular instead of the pace and bounce theory that repeatedly doesn't work.

But no doubt they will continue to pick Hazlewood & Starc then scratch their heads and wonder why it doesn't work.

 

[Herbie66]

Well that was different.
Tim Murtagh 5 wickets with lack of pace. movement and accuracy his weapon over the Poms. Average bowling speed probably just less than 120 km/h. Bairstow tried to bat out of crease to deal with it. Actually caught umpires attention by being so far out of crease he in danger of messing up the pitch itself. Never seen that before. Got some warnings but only watched highlights. He got bowled eventually by Murtagh. Food for thought for our Aussies that the old Terry Alderman type swing, line and length probably rules in England than raw pace itself. Most Test players are expecting 130 to 148 km/h pace for seamers. Not 115 to 120 km/h and that accurate.

just watched the higlights, very interesting that the Irosh bowlers were bowling "knee roll" height

this is what Patto was saying last week

It’s pretty simple over here. You try to hit the same area. You look at Stuart Broad and Jimmy Anderson, they are always challenging the bowler, challenging the defence.

"If we can take something out of the series before it is to be trying to always challenge the front foot, challenging the knee roll, trying to stay in one spot in the wicket and not release too many boundary balls."


taking notice JL ?

 

[Lynchmond]

Jhye Richardson makes his return this weekend in a local NT league match, hoping to make a last ditch effort to push for Ashes selection. Though given he’s pretty underdone he’s probably unlikely to be successful.I reckon he’d be a weapon over there. Swings it both ways and is a fairly small/short bloke that doesn’t hit the deck hard like a Starc/Pattinson so can consistently bowl that nice knee roll height. Can be added to our squad at anytime, so can’t see why he wouldn’t fly over if he proves his fitness.

I assume they’ll probably go with peter potassium siddle who normally I’d be right against, but he seems to excel in English conditions and could make a real impact on this series if Murtagh’s performance last night is anything to by. Selectors probably won’t have the balls to play him until we’re behind in the series in a last ditch Hail Mary play though.

 

[Herbie66]

I can see the argument re Starc but would have thought Hazlewood was a shoo in. His recent record isn’t as good as I thought, admittedly, but conditions should suit him. I suspect they’ll play at least one.

I think we need to look at who will score the most runs in those conditions as well. Apparently Labuschagne has scored 1,000 runs in the county season, and may have even been the first one to the mark (?). I had previously thought he would be about our 8th choice as a batsman but if that’s representative, surely we should pick him.

Correct , the Labuschagne man is the only one who has topped 1000 runs in either Div 1 or 2 (so far)

1114 Runs @ 65.52, 5 x 100's , 5 x 50's

19 wickets @ 38.10

keep reading they are thinking of him or Marsh as the All Rounder, Mitch Marsh seriously they are not going to go down that path again

 

[Herbie66]

Warner 4 , 58
Harris 6 , 15
Labuschange 41, 6
Head 1, 0
Patterson 2 , 0
Pucovski 4, 37
Carey 6, 26

 

[Herbie66]

Well that was different.
Tim Murtagh 5 wickets with lack of pace. movement and accuracy his weapon over the Poms. Average bowling speed probably just less than 120 km/h. Bairstow tried to bat out of crease to deal with it. Actually caught umpires attention by being so far out of crease he in danger of messing up the pitch itself. Never seen that before. Got some warnings but only watched highlights. He got bowled eventually by Murtagh. Food for thought for our Aussies that the old Terry Alderman type swing, line and length probably rules in England than raw pace itself. Most Test players are expecting 130 to 148 km/h pace for seamers. Not 115 to 120 km/h and that accurate.

Murtagh plays for Middlesex ( as does Stirling)

Article on cricInfo states

Murtagh has bowled more balls in first-class cricket at Lord's than any other player in the past 16 seasons.
Since 2004, the 37-year-old has sent 2327.5 overs down that famous Lord's slope, the bulk of them from the Nursery End, taking 296 wickets at an average of 23.62 and a strike rate of 47.1

England out bowled by a "local" that will teach them for "stealing" Morgan hahaha

 

[Lynchmond]

Correct , the Labuschagne man is the only one who has topped 1000 runs in either Div 1 or 2 (so far)

1114 Runs @ 65.52, 5 x 100's , 5 x 50's

19 wickets @ 38.10

keep reading they are thinking of him or Marsh as the All Rounder, Mitch Marsh seriously they are not going to go down that path again

Loosebuschange made his runs in division 2, so how much weight those runs should hold remains to be seen. I’d have him in the squad though. I like his temperament. Looks comfortable defending for long periods and really values his wicket.

 

[Herbie66]

Loosebuschange made his runs in division 2, so how much weight those runs should hold remains to be seen. I’d have him in the squad though. I like his temperament. Looks comfortable defending for long periods and really values his wicket.

can only make the runs against the team he plays against , Jimmy Anderson plays Division 2 as well, won't stop him if he gets over his calf imjury.

Given how the batsman performed JL and Ponting may as well start practicing.

I can see them picking Mitchell Marsh again

 

[OzRulesFootball]

BBL moving to a final five finals series where the top two teams on ladder will earn a double chance to reach grand final.
Third will have to win three knock out finals in a row.
Fourth and Fifth will kick things off with an Elimination Final and overall need to win four knock out finals in a row to win it.

The games before finals will be 56 games but condensed into 42 days rather than long winded version they had last summer.

Looks like they got their thinking caps on and address some of their issues.
No double chance for top team on ladder always seemed silly before this.

 

[7/11]

Murtagh plays for Middlesex ( as does Stirling)

Article on cricInfo states

Murtagh has bowled more balls in first-class cricket at Lord's than any other player in the past 16 seasons.
Since 2004, the 37-year-old has sent 2327.5 overs down that famous Lord's slope, the bulk of them from the Nursery End, taking 296 wickets at an average of 23.62 and a strike rate of 47.1

England out bowled by a "local" that will teach them for "stealing" Morgan hahaha

Always a case for a local that knows the conditions. It’s a shame we don’t see more Australians playing county cricket consistently, but limited overs schedules has ruined that for the modern day cricketer.

I sighted a few of the Irish lad Stuart Thompson’s overs and I reckon I could’ve sent them down better than what he was doing. Cost Ireland an extra 15-20 runs lead because of some of the slop he was serving up.

 

[Herbie66]

Always a case for a local that knows the conditions. It’s a shame we don’t see more Australians playing county cricket consistently, but limited overs schedules has ruined that for the modern day cricketer.

I sighted a few of the Irish lad Stuart Thompson’s overs and I reckon I could’ve sent them down better than what he was doing. Cost Ireland an extra 15-20 runs lead because of some of the slop he was serving up.

I remember back to the late 80's and early 90's when we would have a dozen batsmen + playing a full county season and making a truck load of rounds and half of them still could not make the Test side.

Certainly would aid development if we could get them over there again somehow.

 

[Herbie66]

Ashes Squad to be announced at 9pm (AEST) tonight.

 

[OzRulesFootball]

Got no idea but pure guess:

Bancroft
Warner
Carey
Smith
Patterson
Head
Paine
Cummins
Pattinson
Siddle
Lyon

Starc rested for later Tests and better form
Hazlewood left out of team but not squad

 

[Lynchmond]

My 17 if I were selector:

Bancroft
Warner
Khawaja
Smith
Head
Wade
Paine
Pattinson
Cummins
Hazlewood
Lyon

Patterson
Loosebuschange
Burns
Siddle
Starc
Holland

*Richardson to link up with the squad if/once he’s proven his fitness

No doubt there will be a shock or two with tonight’s announcement. Mitch Marsh hoping his fresh nudes of the selectors taken on the A tour will be enough to win him selection into the squad.

 

[Herbie66]

Warner
Bancroft
Khawaja
Smith
Head
Marsh (best of bad lot I think)
Paine (C)
Pattinson
Cummins
Siddle
Lyon

Harris
??? (maybe Labuschagne & Wade)
Starc
Hazlewood
Bird (but probably Holland)

 

[Herbie66]

Obviously shouldn't be the only criteria

Bancroft 8 Tests Ave 30.92
Burns 16 Tests Ave 40.10
Handscomb 16 Tests Ave 38.91
Harris 6 Tests Ave 32.70
Head 8 Tests Ave 51.00
Khawaja 41 Tests Ave 42.45
Labuschagne 5 Tests Ave 26.25
Marsh 31 Tests Ave 25.39
Patterson 2 Tests Ave 144.00
Smith 64 Tests Ave 61.37
Wade 22 Tests Ave 28.58
Warner 74 Tests Ave 48.20

half of them averaging 30 or less, and I don't think Patterson is better than Bradman

 

[Herbie66]

Got no idea but pure guess:

Bancroft
Warner
Carey
Smith
Patterson
Head
Paine
Cummins
Pattinson
Siddle
Lyon

Starc rested for later Tests and better form
Hazlewood left out of team but not squad

no Khawaja ?