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From: https://supercoachscores.com/threads/2020-super-early-player-discussions.4162/page-27
J Steven:
2009: 66 from 1
2010: 62.5 from 8
2011: 78.2 from 20
2012: 89.86 from 21
2013: 109.95 from 22
2014: 84.82 from 17
2015: 104.27 from 22
2016: 103.05 from 22
2017: 90.7 from 20
2018: 94.59 from 22
2019: 74 from 7
Avg between 2015 to 2018: 98.33 from 86
2019-
Only the 2nd season since 2011 that Steven has managed less than 20 matches
Lowest disposals avg since 2010 and 2nd time below 20 from 2011-2019 (19)
Career low tackle avg (3.3)
Lowest contested possession avg since 2011 (8.4)
Career low disposal efficiency (64.7%)
Career low Time on Ground (70%) and 1st season below 75% TOG since 2010.
J Steven:
Wins Avg since 2012: 107.65 from 52 (7/52 below 80, 25/52 below 100, 16/52 120+)
2012: 98.64 from 11 (1/11 below 80, 6/11 below 100, 1/11 120+)
2013: 129.6 from 5 (1/5 below 100, 3/5 120+)
2014: 82 from 1
2015: 102.17 from 6 (4/6 below 100, 2/6 120+)
2016: 118.67 from 12 (3/12 below 80, 4/12 below 100, 6/12 120+)
2017: 104.44 from 9 (1/9 below 80, 4/9 below 100, 2/5 120+)
2018: 119.5 from 4 (1/4 below 100, 2/4 120+)
2019: 82 from 4 (2/4 below 80, 4/4 below 100)
Losses Avg since 2012: 89.96 from 99 (26/99 below 80, 64/99 below 100, 6/99 120+)
2012: 80.2 from 10 (4/10 below 80, 8/10 below 100)
2013: 104.18 from 17 (3/17 below 80, 8/17 below 100, 3/17 120+)
2014: 85 from 16 (6/16 below 80, 11/16 below 100, 1/16 120+)
2015: 105.6 from 15 (1/15 below 80, 5/15 below 100, 1/15 120+)
2016: 84.3 from 10 (4/10 below 80, 7/10 below 100)
2017: 79.45 from 11 (6/11 below 80, 11/11 below 100)
2018: 87.18 from 17 (11/17 below 100, 1/17 120+)
2019: 63.33 from 3 (2/3 below 80, 3/3 below 100)
J Steven:
2009: 66 from 1
2010: 62.5 from 8
2011: 78.2 from 20
2012: 89.86 from 21
2013: 109.95 from 22
2014: 84.82 from 17
2015: 104.27 from 22
2016: 103.05 from 22
2017: 90.7 from 20
2018: 94.59 from 22
2019: 74 from 7
Avg between 2015 to 2018: 98.33 from 86
2019-
Only the 2nd season since 2011 that Steven has managed less than 20 matches
Lowest disposals avg since 2010 and 2nd time below 20 from 2011-2019 (19)
Career low tackle avg (3.3)
Lowest contested possession avg since 2011 (8.4)
Career low disposal efficiency (64.7%)
Career low Time on Ground (70%) and 1st season below 75% TOG since 2010.
J Steven:
Wins Avg since 2012: 107.65 from 52 (7/52 below 80, 25/52 below 100, 16/52 120+)
2012: 98.64 from 11 (1/11 below 80, 6/11 below 100, 1/11 120+)
2013: 129.6 from 5 (1/5 below 100, 3/5 120+)
2014: 82 from 1
2015: 102.17 from 6 (4/6 below 100, 2/6 120+)
2016: 118.67 from 12 (3/12 below 80, 4/12 below 100, 6/12 120+)
2017: 104.44 from 9 (1/9 below 80, 4/9 below 100, 2/5 120+)
2018: 119.5 from 4 (1/4 below 100, 2/4 120+)
2019: 82 from 4 (2/4 below 80, 4/4 below 100)
Losses Avg since 2012: 89.96 from 99 (26/99 below 80, 64/99 below 100, 6/99 120+)
2012: 80.2 from 10 (4/10 below 80, 8/10 below 100)
2013: 104.18 from 17 (3/17 below 80, 8/17 below 100, 3/17 120+)
2014: 85 from 16 (6/16 below 80, 11/16 below 100, 1/16 120+)
2015: 105.6 from 15 (1/15 below 80, 5/15 below 100, 1/15 120+)
2016: 84.3 from 10 (4/10 below 80, 7/10 below 100)
2017: 79.45 from 11 (6/11 below 80, 11/11 below 100)
2018: 87.18 from 17 (11/17 below 100, 1/17 120+)
2019: 63.33 from 3 (2/3 below 80, 3/3 below 100)
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H Greenwood:
Career SC Avg: 85.42 from 48 (18/48 below 80, 36/48 below 100, 2/48 120+)
2017 SC Avg: 84.58 from 12
2018 SC Avg: 85.95 from 22
2019 SC Avg: 85.29 from 14
Career Tackles Avg: 6.58
SC avg when tackles equal/exceed 7: 95.04 from 24 (low of 70 and a high of 127, 4/24 below 80, 16/24 below 100, 1/24 120+)
SC avg when tackles below 7: 75.79 from 24 (low of 45 and a high of 133, 14/24 below 80, 20/24 below 100, 1/24 120+)
Career Contested Possessions Avg: 11.38
SC avg when contested possessions equal/exceed 12: 99.62 from 21 (low of 68 and a high of 133, 2/21 below 80, 12/21 below 100, 2/21 120+)
SC avg when contested possessions below 12: 74.37 from 27 (low of 45 and a high of 104, 14/24 below 80, 24/27 below 100, 0/27 120+)
Career TOG Avg: 71.52%
SC avg when TOG equals/exceeds 72%: 91.16 from 25 (low of 52 and a high of 133, 5/25 below 80, 19/25 below 100, 1/25 120+)
SC avg when TOG below 72%: 79.17 from 23 (low of 45 and a high of 127, 13/23 below 80, 17/23 below 100, 1/23 120+)
Career SC Avg: 85.42 from 48 (18/48 below 80, 36/48 below 100, 2/48 120+)
2017 SC Avg: 84.58 from 12
2018 SC Avg: 85.95 from 22
2019 SC Avg: 85.29 from 14
Career Tackles Avg: 6.58
SC avg when tackles equal/exceed 7: 95.04 from 24 (low of 70 and a high of 127, 4/24 below 80, 16/24 below 100, 1/24 120+)
SC avg when tackles below 7: 75.79 from 24 (low of 45 and a high of 133, 14/24 below 80, 20/24 below 100, 1/24 120+)
Career Contested Possessions Avg: 11.38
SC avg when contested possessions equal/exceed 12: 99.62 from 21 (low of 68 and a high of 133, 2/21 below 80, 12/21 below 100, 2/21 120+)
SC avg when contested possessions below 12: 74.37 from 27 (low of 45 and a high of 104, 14/24 below 80, 24/27 below 100, 0/27 120+)
Career TOG Avg: 71.52%
SC avg when TOG equals/exceeds 72%: 91.16 from 25 (low of 52 and a high of 133, 5/25 below 80, 19/25 below 100, 1/25 120+)
SC avg when TOG below 72%: 79.17 from 23 (low of 45 and a high of 127, 13/23 below 80, 17/23 below 100, 1/23 120+)
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^ The low TOG% backs up what people have said in regards to Greenwood not having a massive tank which probably adds to the argument that he will again get a fwd/mid role at CGS rather than be given a permanent midfield gig.
Still a watch in preseason games for mine, but less interested now as it's unlikely that a 27yo is suddenly going to improve his endurance/stamina.
Still a watch in preseason games for mine, but less interested now as it's unlikely that a 27yo is suddenly going to improve his endurance/stamina.
I wonder if coming into the AFL later than most though , he still has the "opportunity" to develop that engine though.
Probably need to find out what his specific training loads were at the Crows.
He is only entering his 4th/5th preseason so training from basketball to AFL may take some time.
With Steven & Smith @ $ 361 k & $ 335 k though will probably take the punt on them alongside 2 of Whitfield/Martin/Heeney.
Tom J Lynch @ $ 388 as well , so many options for the Forward line this year.
Probably need to find out what his specific training loads were at the Crows.
He is only entering his 4th/5th preseason so training from basketball to AFL may take some time.
With Steven & Smith @ $ 361 k & $ 335 k though will probably take the punt on them alongside 2 of Whitfield/Martin/Heeney.
Tom J Lynch @ $ 388 as well , so many options for the Forward line this year.
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I am liking T.Mac at the same price as Lynch.
Melbourne have WC & GWS first up but after that it opens right up with, round 3 Freo, St K, GC, Rich, Ess, Port, Adel.
If Melbourne improve I think Mcdonald has a chance to spike during that 7 game stretch.
It all rides on Melbourne winning a large chuck of that stretch though which I have no confidence in at the moment lol, Lynch been in the better team is probably the safer bet of the two but I am drawn towards T.Mac if he has a good preseason and Melbourne look better than last year.
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Too busy with Big Bash at the moment and too early to be looking at SC but a brief look I had today ? Smith , Steven & Lynch all look tempting.
Buddy & Tom Tom are of interest again.
Can they all go 90+ though and be good enough for the whole season.
I guess Whitfield , Martin & Heeney would appear the favoured Top 3 at the moment.
Not sure how many of the available players to select as F next season averaged 90+ this season though from memory.
Cameron (again) , Cavarra (again) , King & Rankine could be viable rookies and a Adelaide guy (not McAdam) if he is still a forward.
Doedee , Roberton & Hill could pose up some interesting combos down back.
Grundy & Gawn locked in (not making that mistake again)
Wondering if Rowell , Anderson & Pickett if they can Ave 75+ if a extra rookie mid onfield is viable.
Will start looking seriously in January.
Buddy & Tom Tom are of interest again.
Can they all go 90+ though and be good enough for the whole season.
I guess Whitfield , Martin & Heeney would appear the favoured Top 3 at the moment.
Not sure how many of the available players to select as F next season averaged 90+ this season though from memory.
Cameron (again) , Cavarra (again) , King & Rankine could be viable rookies and a Adelaide guy (not McAdam) if he is still a forward.
Doedee , Roberton & Hill could pose up some interesting combos down back.
Grundy & Gawn locked in (not making that mistake again)
Wondering if Rowell , Anderson & Pickett if they can Ave 75+ if a extra rookie mid onfield is viable.
Will start looking seriously in January.
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Yep, forwards definitely where the value appears thus far.
I think as you pointed out, the top 3 are pretty clear cut then throw a blanket over a host of players like J.Cameron, Greene, Walters, Gray ect ect that could all average 90-100, but any of Buddy, Lynch, T.mac, Smith, Steven could average 90+ also as all have done it before, gonna be tricky getting on the right horse(s) without over committing in the forward line and locking out spots for the inevitable bolters.
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My problem would be picking 3 of them and they all get stuck in that 85-92 range and I end up with 3 F6's.
I always am too frightened to trade them out as they are scoring ok'ish.
It's a good point about over committing too much on one line too early from the start maybe 2-1-5 is the way to go if the rookies are viable.
I always am too frightened to trade them out as they are scoring ok'ish.
It's a good point about over committing too much on one line too early from the start maybe 2-1-5 is the way to go if the rookies are viable.
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L Franklin:
Wins Avg since 2007 (seasons averaging 90+): 108.74 from 139 (53/139 below 100, 47/139 120+)
2007: 95.58 from 12
2008: 115.29 from 17
2010: 113.44 from 9
2011: 119.13 from 15
2012: 127.08 from 12
2013: 96.38 from 16
2014: 108.4 from 15
2016: 95.76 from 14
2017: 104.14 from 14
2018: 118.42 from 12
Losses Avg since 2007 (seasons averaging 90+): 81.87 from 54 (39/54 below 100, 5/54 120+)
2007: 85 from 8
2008: 78.8 from 5
2010: 102.57 from 7
2011: 79.5 from 4
2012: 80.75 from 4
2013: 58.67 from 3
2014: 68.25 from 4
2016: 90.6 from 5
2017: 88.13 from 8
2018: 63.5 from 6
2019 Wins Avg: 87 from 4
2019 Losses Avg: 63 from 6
In 2019 L Franklin:
Recorded his lowest disposals avg since 2006 and only the 2nd time below 15 disposals since 2007 (other occurrence was 2015).
Recorded less than 6 marks a game after recording 6.7, 6.6 and 6.0 in the previous 3 seasons.
Lowest goals avg since 2006 and only the 3rd time since 2007, that he has averaged less than 3 goals a game.
Career low tackles avg
Career low score involvements avg but finished 9th across the AFL in that category per game in 2019
Wins Avg since 2007 (seasons averaging 90+): 108.74 from 139 (53/139 below 100, 47/139 120+)
2007: 95.58 from 12
2008: 115.29 from 17
2010: 113.44 from 9
2011: 119.13 from 15
2012: 127.08 from 12
2013: 96.38 from 16
2014: 108.4 from 15
2016: 95.76 from 14
2017: 104.14 from 14
2018: 118.42 from 12
Losses Avg since 2007 (seasons averaging 90+): 81.87 from 54 (39/54 below 100, 5/54 120+)
2007: 85 from 8
2008: 78.8 from 5
2010: 102.57 from 7
2011: 79.5 from 4
2012: 80.75 from 4
2013: 58.67 from 3
2014: 68.25 from 4
2016: 90.6 from 5
2017: 88.13 from 8
2018: 63.5 from 6
2019 Wins Avg: 87 from 4
2019 Losses Avg: 63 from 6
In 2019 L Franklin:
Recorded his lowest disposals avg since 2006 and only the 2nd time below 15 disposals since 2007 (other occurrence was 2015).
Recorded less than 6 marks a game after recording 6.7, 6.6 and 6.0 in the previous 3 seasons.
Lowest goals avg since 2006 and only the 3rd time since 2007, that he has averaged less than 3 goals a game.
Career low tackles avg
Career low score involvements avg but finished 9th across the AFL in that category per game in 2019
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L Franklin:
Wins Avg since 2007 (seasons averaging 90+): 108.74 from 139 (53/139 below 100, 47/139 120+)
2007: 95.58 from 12
2008: 115.29 from 17
2010: 113.44 from 9
2011: 119.13 from 15
2012: 127.08 from 12
2013: 96.38 from 16
2014: 108.4 from 15
2016: 95.76 from 14
2017: 104.14 from 14
2018: 118.42 from 12
Losses Avg since 2007 (seasons averaging 90+): 81.87 from 54 (39/54 below 100, 5/54 120+)
2007: 85 from 8
2008: 78.8 from 5
2010: 102.57 from 7
2011: 79.5 from 4
2012: 80.75 from 4
2013: 58.67 from 3
2014: 68.25 from 4
2016: 90.6 from 5
2017: 88.13 from 8
2018: 63.5 from 6
2019 Wins Avg: 87 from 4
2019 Losses Avg: 63 from 6
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In 2019 L Franklin:
Recorded his lowest disposals avg since 2006 and only the 2nd time below 15 disposals since 2007 (other occurrence was 2015).
Recorded less than 6 marks a game after recording 6.7, 6.6 and 6.0 in the previous 3 seasons.
Lowest goals avg since 2006 and only the 3rd time since 2007, that he has averaged less than 3 goals a game.
Career low tackles avg
Career low score involvements avg but finished 9th across the AFL in that category per game in 2019
Wins Avg since 2007 (seasons averaging 90+): 108.74 from 139 (53/139 below 100, 47/139 120+)
2007: 95.58 from 12
2008: 115.29 from 17
2010: 113.44 from 9
2011: 119.13 from 15
2012: 127.08 from 12
2013: 96.38 from 16
2014: 108.4 from 15
2016: 95.76 from 14
2017: 104.14 from 14
2018: 118.42 from 12
Losses Avg since 2007 (seasons averaging 90+): 81.87 from 54 (39/54 below 100, 5/54 120+)
2007: 85 from 8
2008: 78.8 from 5
2010: 102.57 from 7
2011: 79.5 from 4
2012: 80.75 from 4
2013: 58.67 from 3
2014: 68.25 from 4
2016: 90.6 from 5
2017: 88.13 from 8
2018: 63.5 from 6
2019 Wins Avg: 87 from 4
2019 Losses Avg: 63 from 6
View attachment 13776
In 2019 L Franklin:
Recorded his lowest disposals avg since 2006 and only the 2nd time below 15 disposals since 2007 (other occurrence was 2015).
Recorded less than 6 marks a game after recording 6.7, 6.6 and 6.0 in the previous 3 seasons.
Lowest goals avg since 2006 and only the 3rd time since 2007, that he has averaged less than 3 goals a game.
Career low tackles avg
Career low score involvements avg but finished 9th across the AFL in that category per game in 2019