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Although I liked v0.3 I've made a few changes to 0.4, taking into account various information I've gathered by those in the know around here.

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Patrick Dangerfield and Dayne Zorko, both 30, are replaced by Lachie Neale and Clayton Oliver, who hopefully provide safer options with more upside. It is pretty hard to leave Zorko out based on emotional attachment, but it does mean that on a cursory glance my team has no one 30 years old or above.

Aidan Bonar is switched with Nakia Cockatoo, giving me the funds for the premium swaps.

Ned McHenry replaces Finn McGuiness, but as with all rookies, very early selections.

I think my structure is pretty decent with good money-making potential in the midfield, and I think my rookie selections are okay so far.

Jake Lloyd and Lachie Whitfield are probably overpriced but I have them so I can replace them with anyone else on their lines.
 
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Actually Naismith price has changed from 251,400 to 251,500: both years the prices are based on a discounted 2017, since that is the last time he played.
Yes, someone replied to my tweet about it and explained the $100 change was due to the magic number fluctuation.

Players are supposed to receive greater % discounts are they not? Like why Docherty is cheaper again this year.
Or like Andy Otten going from, $295,600 to $148,000 to $123,900 after over 2 years out of the game.
 
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My current starting side:

Daniel, Laird, Docherty, Scharenberg, McLennan, Gould, Clavarino, O'Connor

Neale, Cripps, Dunkley, Dangerfield, Coniglio, Rowell, Green, Pickett, Robertson, Rantall, Hibberd

Grundy, Jacobs, Conroy

Whitfield, Martin, Dawson, Greenwood, Hill, Cavarra, Sturt, Cahill


As ever the rookie selections are all subject to selection, but I'll quickly touch on some of the interesting picks.

Daniel: Fully expect him to back up last year and could even make a slight improvement on his 99 avg
Scharenberg: More an expensive placeholder atm, could easily be a Robertson. Am curious by a few Collingwood training reporters who have mentioned him working with the midfield group (first time I've mentioned those words this pre-season)
Coniglio: Could easily be Cunnington, Parker, Tarranto, Sloane or any other mid in that mid $500k tier. I'll stick with Cogs for now and track the pre-season games
Dawson: Looks destined to improve (his last 2 months looked really impressive at an average of about 95)
Greenwood: Might become Buddy, dependant on role in the pre-season. He's a contested ball beast and could be the main man at GC with their young midfield.

As always would love any thoughts or opinions.
 
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Here's the first proper version of my team made with more time and after a better look at potential rookies and structure. This team is unlikely to change until the prospectus comes out in a month or so or when news comes out about injury status and role changes.

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-Sicily is the team based on the arrival of Sam Frost which should free Sicily up to play with more freedom either as a loose defender or on the lesser forward types. Potentially underpriced if he returns to his 2018 role and the form that came with it. Also ceded the kick-ins to Hardwick and didn't benefit from the rule change like others did in 2019 and there is obviously the possibility he returns to being in charge of the kick-ins. Definitely risky if he keeps the same role of if there's an injury but he should be a good pick. I would change him to Laird if money allowed me to do so.

- Dan Houston is training to turn into a full time midfielder at the moment and thrived in there at stages last year. I'm banking on him getting a good run in there because he has elite kicking ability, something the rest of the power midfield lacks. I predict he's in about 5% of teams when SC opens so he's also in as a bit of a point of difference.

-The rest of the backline is self-explanatory. Hayden Young had elite numbers as a junior in leagues that are not as favourable to half-backs as the AFL is and I expect him to get opportunity early in his career. Stoddart and Gould probably won't both debut together but individually look as likely as anyone I can see at that price.

-Cripps is self explanatory, you'd think if Carlton improves again his scoring automatically goes up.

-Dunkley is risky but has a lot of upside. Averaged 128 in the 16 games after he was moved to playing permanently in the midfield.

-Danger might be past his best playing days but I can definitely see an average of 120 happening. No Tim Kelly in the team and the fact that he showed he can still score like an elite player late in the year makes me believe he's still got high upside.

-Oliver got better as the season went on following a double shoulder reconstruction last off season. He averaged 113 in the last 12 games of the season and with a full preseason and his young age I reckon he is capable of averaging 115+ next season.

-Zerrett looks like a biased choice but he is safe, durable and could average over 110. If you take out a game he played with a virus and a game where he was checked for concussion and wasn't right (I know you can do this for many players) he averaged 109. Also seems to be getting more love from CD due to a change in his playing style and that seemed to translate into some higher scores for him and an increase in his ceiling. He is mainly in my team because he's the best player I can afford at that price.

-The rucks are self-explanatory. I have a R/F rookie incase another ROB shows up and I can trade a forward down to him instead of sideways trading to him.

-Heeney is in because he's cheaper than Dusty and I reckon he's a safe pick as a top 6 forward who still has the capacity to break out again and become a 105+ premium. Needs to stay fit though.

-Tom Lynch averaged 99 in the last 10 games of the season including finals after playing the first half of the season unfit coming off PCL surgery. Never had the capacity to fulfil his potential as a forward at the Gold Coast and with a full preseason could average 95+. He could easily turn into Jack Steven if Steven shows a lot during preseason and I don't generally like key forwards. Picking him as a keeper in a shallow forward line.


-I would like to get Macrae but currently can't afford him.


Thoughts are welcome.
 
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Here's the first proper version of my team made with more time and after a better look at potential rookies and structure. This team is unlikely to change until the prospectus comes out in a month or so or when news comes out about injury status and role changes.

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-Sicily is the team based on the arrival of Sam Frost which should free Sicily up to play with more freedom either as a loose defender or on the lesser forward types. Potentially underpriced if he returns to his 2018 role and the form that came with it. Also ceded the kick-ins to Hardwick and didn't benefit from the rule change like others did in 2019 and there is obviously the possibility he returns to being in charge of the kick-ins. Definitely risky if he keeps the same role of if there's an injury but he should be a good pick. I would change him to Laird if money allowed me to do so.

- Dan Houston is training to turn into a full time midfielder at the moment and thrived in there at stages last year. I'm banking on him getting a good run in there because he has elite kicking ability, something the rest of the power midfield lacks. I predict he's in about 5% of teams when SC opens so he's also in as a bit of a point of difference.

-The rest of the backline is self-explanatory. Hayden Young had elite numbers as a junior in leagues that are not as favourable to half-backs as the AFL is and I expect him to get opportunity early in his career. Stoddart and Gould probably won't both debut together but individually look as likely as anyone I can see at that price.

-Cripps is self explanatory, you'd think if Carlton improves again his scoring automatically goes up.

-Dunkley is risky but has a lot of upside. Averaged 128 in the 16 games after he was moved to playing permanently in the midfield.

-Danger might be past his best playing days but I can definitely see an average of 120 happening. No Tim Kelly in the team and the fact that he showed he can still score like an elite player late in the year makes me believe he's still got high upside.

-Oliver got better as the season went on following a double shoulder reconstruction last off season. He averaged 113 in the last 12 games of the season and with a full preseason and his young age I reckon he is capable of averaging 115+ next season.

-Zerrett looks like a biased choice but he is safe, durable and could average over 110. If you take out a game he played with a virus and a game where he was checked for concussion and wasn't right (I know you can do this for many players) he averaged 109. Also seems to be getting more love from CD due to a change in his playing style and that seemed to translate into some higher scores for him and an increase in his ceiling. He is mainly in my team because he's the best player I can afford at that price.

-The rucks are self-explanatory. I have a R/F rookie incase another ROB shows up and I can trade a forward down to him instead of sideways trading to him.

-Heeney is in because he's cheaper than Dusty and I reckon he's a safe pick as a top 6 forward who still has the capacity to break out again and become a 105+ premium. Needs to stay fit though.

-Tom Lynch averaged 99 in the last 10 games of the season including finals after playing the first half of the season unfit coming off PCL surgery. Never had the capacity to fulfil his potential as a forward at the Gold Coast and with a full preseason could average 95+. He could easily turn into Jack Steven if Steven shows a lot during preseason and I don't generally like key forwards. Picking him as a keeper in a shallow forward line.


-I would like to get Macrae but currently can't afford him.


Thoughts are welcome.
Smith to Hill, see if you can make the upgrades you want to get Dusty and Macrae in.
 
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Smith to Hill, see if you can make the upgrades you want to get Dusty and Macrae in.
This is a decent idea but I feel much more like I'm missing out on Macrae with that team than Dusty even though it'd be nice to have both.

I also reckon Devon is basically a lock in my side unless he gets injured during preseason and I'm not really interested in Stephen Hill until I see him in JLT. If I get Hill it's probably at somebody elses expense. With a thin forward line Devon has produced 3 season averages in his career that would make him a keeper and 2 of those he got with much less mid time than he'll get next year.

I'm probably more open to doing Sicily > Roberton, Zerrett > Macrae and Tom Lynch > Dusty but that would depend on Roberton's preseason and how good he looks. Tom Lynch looks like a value option to me but it is always difficult to trust key position players as they are generally inconsistent year to year and game to game. Sicily is a risk and Macrae is definitely an upgrade on Merrett so that move has appeal.

At the moment I have 5 guys you could consider midpricers in Houston (keeper) Docherty (keeper) Doedee (stepping stone) Tom Lynch (keeper) and Devon Smith (keeper or stepping stone). I need Houston and Docherty to succeed at their price but I'll be happy enough if one of Lynch or Dev Smith make some money as a stepping stone and I can keep the other one. If I do the other strategy it could require an extra upgrade to get to full premium if everybody performs as well as I expect them to in Roberton, which might cost an extra trade and the use of extra money so it would take a lot of thought.

Long way out but don't mind the idea of getting Dusty and Macrae in, but it would probably not involve Smith
 
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Doedee is the only one I really don't understand.

I like Lynch and I'd be prepared to jump off and cash in if he had a couple of really big games.
I reckon you'd have to keep Lynch if your main goal is to play for overall because he's probably showing us that he's a keeper if he has a couple of good games even though it will probably swing in roundabouts with him. The forward line is pretty horrible and an average of 90 probably makes you a top 10 player (Ziebell is the 8th most expensive forward and averaged 90 last year).

Doedee averaged 85 in his first season playing senior football if you take out the 24 injury-affected game (not relevant because we only want him for 6-9 weeks) and can tonne up and get some high scores, so at 273k he can make some money and get to 400k and just over. It obviously depends on how he returns from the ACL but he's young and I trust he should be fine in his return. I get he carries some risk and it depends on preseason but from here I can see him averaging 80 as a stepping stone. I'm less confident in Hill who is older and seems to have recurrent injuries rather than one injury.
 
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I realised I underestimated Macrae's finish to the season, and tried to find a way to get him in. Jake Lloyd is part of a packed R13 def bye and only averaged 98 post bye, so he gets the flick. I trimmed a mid-rookie-pricer in Cockatoo to fit Macrae in. Big X v Y is Heeney + Sam Flanders v Devon Smith + Jack Steven. I think the D5-6 and F6 can handle the restructure, should rookies eventuate.

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This is a decent idea but I feel much more like I'm missing out on Macrae with that team than Dusty even though it'd be nice to have both.

I also reckon Devon is basically a lock in my side unless he gets injured during preseason and I'm not really interested in Stephen Hill until I see him in JLT. If I get Hill it's probably at somebody elses expense. With a thin forward line Devon has produced 3 season averages in his career that would make him a keeper and 2 of those he got with much less mid time than he'll get next year.

I'm probably more open to doing Sicily > Roberton, Zerrett > Macrae and Tom Lynch > Dusty but that would depend on Roberton's preseason and how good he looks. Tom Lynch looks like a value option to me but it is always difficult to trust key position players as they are generally inconsistent year to year and game to game. Sicily is a risk and Macrae is definitely an upgrade on Merrett so that move has appeal.

At the moment I have 5 guys you could consider midpricers in Houston (keeper) Docherty (keeper) Doedee (stepping stone) Tom Lynch (keeper) and Devon Smith (keeper or stepping stone). I need Houston and Docherty to succeed at their price but I'll be happy enough if one of Lynch or Dev Smith make some money as a stepping stone and I can keep the other one. If I do the other strategy it could require an extra upgrade to get to full premium if everybody performs as well as I expect them to in Roberton, which might cost an extra trade and the use of extra money so it would take a lot of though.

Long way out but don't mind the idea of getting Dusty and Macrae in, but it would probably not involve Smith
Smith is an interesting one.

If Smith is running around the CBs I'll be all over him... but I really felt that Dylan Sheil took his spot. I'm not basising my early team on role changes from last year... I might need to build a structure with both Steven and Smith. If they both play mid they're a good chance to go top 4-6 and be players I want to start. I'm not sure I'll want to lock out 5 fwd line spots (even if one of them is located in the mids) so yeah a choice on one of Whitfield Martin Heeney will need to be made.
 
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Just put something together while watching the cricket.

All conjecture and speculation at the moment but if all 3 of Doedee , Roberton & Hill look viable :-

Dawson * , Docherty , Doedee , Roberton , Hill * , Young + 2

Macrae , Fyfe , Cripps , Oliver , Rowell , Anderson , Flanders * , Pickett + 3

Grundy , Gawn + 1

Martin * , Heeney * , Steven * , Smith * , Cavarra , Cameron * /King , Rankine

enough $$$ to upgrade Flanders to a premium mid
This is far too mainstream for a Herbie supercoach side... get Ed Langdon and Cam Ellis-Yolmen in there and then we'll talk
 
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This is far too mainstream for a Herbie supercoach side... get Ed Langdon and Cam Ellis-Yolmen in there and then we'll talk
hahaha you know me too well ?

I am sure I will change it a million times

I was trying to fit Ah Chee in but will see what CEY & Langdon offer

McCluggage is my break out player but I don't think I can do it this time
 
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Pre-2020 side -

D: Lloyd, Williams, Doch, Hill, Young, Williamson, (Goddard, Gould)

M: Macrae, Neale, Cripps, Oliver, Rowell, Anderson, Green, Pickett, (Macginness, Mead, Hibberd)

R: Grundy, Gawn, (Draper)

F: Whitfield, Martin, Dawson, Steven, Flanders, Rankine, (King, Caverra)

Structure looks ok at this early stage. Not 100% sold on Doch, think there is some risk there. All depends on where the rookies turn up.
 
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Pre-2020 side -

D: Lloyd, Williams, Doch, Hill, Young, Williamson, (Goddard, Gould)

M: Macrae, Neale, Cripps, Oliver, Rowell, Anderson, Green, Pickett, (Macginness, Mead, Hibberd)

R: Grundy, Gawn, (Draper)

F: Whitfield, Martin, Dawson, Steven, Flanders, Rankine, (King, Caverra)

Structure looks ok at this early stage. Not 100% sold on Doch, think there is some risk there. All depends on where the rookies turn up.
First team I’ve seen with both Rowell & Anderson. The current talk indicates that Anderson won’t be as good for SC as Rowell, but who knows at this early stage. Good to have him in at this stage as gives you flexibility to change if needed.
 

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Although I liked v0.3 I've made a few changes to 0.4, taking into account various information I've gathered by those in the know around here.

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Patrick Dangerfield and Dayne Zorko, both 30, are replaced by Lachie Neale and Clayton Oliver, who hopefully provide safer options with more upside. It is pretty hard to leave Zorko out based on emotional attachment, but it does mean that on a cursory glance my team has no one 30 years old or above.

Aidan Bonar is switched with Nakia Cockatoo, giving me the funds for the premium swaps.

Ned McHenry replaces Finn McGuiness, but as with all rookies, very early selections.

I think my structure is pretty decent with good money-making potential in the midfield, and I think my rookie selections are okay so far.

Jake Lloyd and Lachie Whitfield are probably overpriced but I have them so I can replace them with anyone else on their lines.
I think the changes you've made are sensible and will be to your benefit. If you want to pick a personal favourite I think that's okay, but generally I think those doing that should be expecting it to cost them points.

For what it's worth I prefer Neale and Oliver to Danger, but in the X vs Y thread it was basically unanimous that Danger is a better pick than Lloyd. Subject to structural balance you could do something like Whitfield and Lloyd to Danger and Heeney, especially if you're unsure on the former two and think they're overpriced. Whitfield is also pretty unreliable from a games played standpoint.
 
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I think the changes you've made are sensible and will be to your benefit. If you want to pick a personal favourite I think that's okay, but generally I think those doing that should be expecting it to cost them points.

For what it's worth I prefer Neale and Oliver to Danger, but in the X vs Y thread it was basically unanimous that Danger is a better pick than Lloyd. Subject to structural balance you could do something like Whitfield and Lloyd to Danger and Heeney, especially if you're unsure on the former two and think they're overpriced. Whitfield is also pretty unreliable from a games played standpoint.
Yeah now I've changed my side like three times again.

Stewart Houston Docherty
Macrae Neale Cripps Dunkley Oliver
Grundy Gawn
Whitfield Martin Heeney

Rest rookies.
 
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