Position Ruck Discussion

[Dimmawit]

Throwing it out there.

Any decent cheap rookie is going to have to be taken to ensure we go the cash. I think unless you are taking Naismith most will agree Roberton (no so sure) and Noble (lock) are needed down back for cash gen. I'm finding that in some times I have money left and end up thinking "ah well I'll stick Ash/McAsey etc on the bench for now". (Because of the need to take certain value options in a certain number of positions)

I don't actually think it is really that realistic anyone will go in with it but Naismith at R3 isn't the worse looking team I've put together.

Could you place him there - If he crushes it rd 1 and rd 2 turn Gawn into a top 5 mid. If not you've dodged a bullet?

 

[Grundogging]

My single biggest regret from last season was The Hoff...week after week he just sapped any enjoyment out of SC for me.

I managed to resist the temptation with Hoff last year until after round 22...

 

[Tex]

Throwing it out there.

Any decent cheap rookie is going to have to be taken to ensure we go the cash. I think unless you are taking Naismith most will agree Roberton (no so sure) and Noble (lock) are needed down back for cash gen. I'm finding that in some times I have money left and end up thinking "ah well I'll stick Ash/McAsey etc on the bench for now".

I don't actually think it is really that realistic anyone will go in with it but Naismith at R3 isn't the worse looking team I've put together.

Could you place him there - If he crushes it rd 1 and rd 2 turn Gawn into a top 5 mid. If not you've dodged a bullet?

Just go with him at R2 mate.

 

[Tex]

I recon a Jacobs/Naismith combo could return 200 a week. A Loss obviously but wise spending could get you in the black overall.

 

[Tails]

Throwing it out there.

Any decent cheap rookie is going to have to be taken to ensure we go the cash. I think unless you are taking Naismith most will agree Roberton (no so sure) and Noble (lock) are needed down back for cash gen. I'm finding that in some times I have money left and end up thinking "ah well I'll stick Ash/McAsey etc on the bench for now". (Because of the need to take certain value options in a certain number of positions)

I don't actually think it is really that realistic anyone will go in with it but Naismith at R3 isn't the worse looking team I've put together.

Could you place him there - If he crushes it rd 1 and rd 2 turn Gawn into a top 5 mid. If not you've dodged a bullet?

Have seriously looked at putting him at R3 .... will all come down to what rookies are available but do have potentially "just" enough wriggle room to make it happen ....

- Just doesn't look right on paper though ...

 

[Grundogging]

I recon a Jacobs/Naismith combo could return 200 a week. A Loss obviously but wise spending could get you in the black overall.

Not gonna happen imo - one of them would have to average 100+ this year and if the risk with both of them is realised in at least one of their cases then the ask could be higher.

I'm looking at Naismith here as he doesn't get much of the ball and certainly isn't a "go forward and clunk a few contested grabs / kick a couple of goals" or a "give the back line a chop out with some intercept marking" type of ruckman) then the higher scoring of the two may need to be pushing up towards 110+.

There may be some cash gen there but it's likely to be a slow burn imo given his starting price and if he puts in a stinker or two and doesn't have one or two spike scores early on then it's going to be a *very* slow burn.

 

[Diabolical]

I have spent a lot of time (probably too much) thinking about it and I am comfortable with Naismith at R2.

My team is going to have 16 players priced at Roberton or below ... maybe 15 if a few cheaper rookies raise their hand. Therefore I am going to need to field 7 or 8 of those players. I feel that Naismith will be in the top 7 or 8 averages for players in that price range and I want the best scoring rookies on field no matter what position they play in.

Therefore I will not have space for one of Grundy or Gawn so I need to make the tough call, but I will have an extra high end premium somewhere else instead, so it is not as risky as it sounds.

I hear people talk about Naismith risk of getting injured or dropped. If that happens, I cop it on the nose and trade him out and my worst performing high end premium. Not ideal, but depending how many games in that has to happen, the more information I will have on which player may need to be traded out. On the flip side of that, I will also have more information on which ruck to bring in. Currently we are locked into thinking it is only going to be a two horse race, but a lot can happen in a few rounds.

My ideal scenario is that Naismith survives to the byes and Marshall steps up another level so I can slingshot to avoid a bye, then Marshall holds his own until seasons end.

If that doesn’t happen, I don’t feel it will be a season ending decision as I am sure there will be plenty of my other 29 starting decisions that could equally be my undoing.

 

[aps1]

Throwing it out there.

Any decent cheap rookie is going to have to be taken to ensure we go the cash. I think unless you are taking Naismith most will agree Roberton (no so sure) and Noble (lock) are needed down back for cash gen. I'm finding that in some times I have money left and end up thinking "ah well I'll stick Ash/McAsey etc on the bench for now". (Because of the need to take certain value options in a certain number of positions)

I don't actually think it is really that realistic anyone will go in with it but Naismith at R3 isn't the worse looking team I've put together.

Could you place him there - If he crushes it rd 1 and rd 2 turn Gawn into a top 5 mid. If not you've dodged a bullet?

But if Naismith is a bust, you either have to use a rookie correction trade (which could possibly be better used) or have an expensive and useless R3. I think you lose a lot of ev by hedging.

 

[Tex]

Not gonna happen imo - one of them would have to average 100+ this year and if the risk with both of them are realised in at least one of their cases.

I'm looking at Naismith here as he doesn't get much of the ball and certainly isn't a "go forward and clunk a few contested grabs / kick a couple of goals" or a "give the back line a chop out with some intercept marking" type of ruckman) then the higher scoring of the two may need to be pushing up towards 110+.

There may be some cash gen there but it's likely to be a slow burn imo given his starting price and if he puts in a stinker or two and doesn't have one or two spike scores early on then it's going to be a *very* slow burn.

I have spent a lot of time (probably too much) thinking about it and I am comfortable with Naismith at R2.

My team is going to have 16 players priced at Roberton or below ... maybe 15 if a few cheaper rookies raise their hand. Therefore I am going to need to field 7 or 8 of those players. I feel that Naismith will be in the top 7 or 8 averages for players in that price range and I want the best scoring rookies on field no matter what position they play in.

Therefore I will not have space for one of Grundy or Gawn so I need to make the tough call, but I will have an extra high end premium somewhere else instead, so it is not as risky as it sounds.

I hear people talk about Naismith risk of getting injured or dropped. If that happens, I cop it on the nose and trade him out and my worst performing high end premium. Not ideal, but depending how many games in that has to happen, the more information I will have on which player may need to be traded out. On the flip side of that, I will also have more information on which ruck to bring in. Currently we are locked into thinking it is only going to be a two horse race, but a lot can happen in a few rounds.

My ideal scenario is that Naismith survives to the byes and Marshall steps up another level so I can slingshot to avoid a bye, then Marshall holds his own until seasons end.

If that doesn’t happen, I don’t feel it will be a season ending decision as I am sure there will be plenty of my other 29 starting decisions that could equally be my undoing.

I remember Nank a few years ago in a similar situation. I say why not.
For all we know Gawn could get injured early

 

[Vicwood]

i am sure you are all aware of Max "the specimen" Gawn numbers from the past few years.

Yes he had a minor hiccup in preseason, that sent me scrambling for stats on ROB and Marshell. But if you watched Melb V Hawk game, Big Max was moving well and racked up a lazy 68SC points by half time (PHEW). Then during the half time interval, ran his guts out for 10 minutes to get his loads completed. Was moving fine.

Naismith was draft in 2012 round (8) and has played 22 games since 2012 with a best avg 69.8. Read again.......no form on the board at all. You also have Sinclair in the team who will share ruck duties. Alir Alir will also chime when needed.

Stats Don't Lie.

If you want to give up 50 pts a week and hope you can find the coin for the upgrade during buy rounds. Good Luck to You.

And i wont mention what happens if Spud Naismith gets a injury early in the season??? You will be planning early for 2021.

Yes i know, you could have ceglar for back up or maybe Cameron or Xerri get named for the bench. All looks good on paper. But really, your going to trust ceglar or a rookie to cover the most important positions on the field.?

If Gawn gets an injury you can choose anyone to replace.

Gawn and Grundy are expensive but the safest option.

Hope i wasn't to harsh, but lots of chat on different forums on this topic.

Good Luck to all Coaches.

 

[Tails]

i am sure you are all aware of Max "the specimen" Gawn numbers from the past few years.

Yes he had a minor hiccup in preseason, that sent me scrambling for stats on ROB and Marshell. But if you watched Melb V Hawk game, Big Max was moving well and racked up a lazy 68SC points by half time (PHEW). Then during the half time interval, ran his guts out for 10 minutes to get his loads completed. Was moving fine.

Naismith was draft in 2012 round (8) and has played 22 games since 2012 with a best avg 69.8. Read again.......no form on the board at all. You also have Sinclair in the team who will share ruck duties. Alir Alir will also chime when needed.

Stats Don't Lie.

If you want to give up 50 pts a week and hope you can find the coin for the upgrade during buy rounds. Good Luck to You.

And i wont mention what happens if Spud Naismith gets a injury early in the season??? You will be planning early for 2021.

Yes i know, you could have ceglar for back up or maybe Cameron or Xerri get named for the bench. All looks good on paper. But really, your going to trust ceglar or a rookie to cover the most important positions on the field.?

If Gawn gets an injury you can choose anyone to replace.

Gawn and Grundy are expensive but the safest option.

Hope i wasn't to harsh, but lots of chat on different forums on this topic.

Good Luck to all Coaches.

Ceglar doesn't really provide much backup for a late Gawn out from my research .... if already an out he does but actually pairs better with Goldy from memory ...

 

[jaca]

Can someone point me to the thread on captains loophole options? It seems that R3 becomes a scorer this year.

 

[Grundogging]

Ceglar doesn't really provide much backup for a late Gawn out from my research .... if already an out he does but actually pairs better with Goldy from memory ...

I wouldn't be picking Ceglar as a R2 personally, but I woudn't necessarily be writing him off completely as a starter - he's definitely in the mix with a number of other FWD's in the $400k's (yes I know this is the ruck discussion).

 

[Tails]

Can someone point me to the thread on captains loophole options? It seems that R3 becomes a scorer this year.

I'd say the info is in here but you sort of need to study it a bit ....

https://supercoachscores.com/threads/2020-afl-supercoach-useful-information.4349/

 

[Dimmawit]

But if Naismith is a bust, you either have to use a rookie correction trade (which could possibly be better used) or have an expensive and useless R3. I think you lose a lot of ev by hedging.

yeah no chance I do it but for a moment there I know I will regret picking and not picking Gawn or Naismith once lockout is upon us

 

[jaca]

I'd say the info is in here but you sort of need to study it a bit ....

https://supercoachscores.com/threads/2020-afl-supercoach-useful-information.4349/

Thank you.

 

[Grundogging]

I remember Nank a few years ago in a similar situation. I say why not.
For all we know Gawn could get injured early

Nank had age and "natural progession" on his side. Does Naismith have that in a 27-28 year old body that's been ravaged by injury?

Heck if Naismith played a similar game to Nank circa 2017-2018 (ie. he was still useful at stoppages after the immediate ruck contest and more of a presence around the ground) then I'd probably be more than a little interested, because it would insulate his scoring a little more against half-decent opposition rucks.

Speaking of Nank what chance is there that Naismith only manages to perform to Nank's 2019 average of 75? That would end up in a slower rate of of cash gen and an unplayable R2, or at least one which will leave you 40-50 points in the red right off the back every week.

 

[Diabolical]

Nank had age and "natural progession" on his side. Does Naismith have that in a 27-28 year old body that's been ravaged by injury?

Heck if Naismith played a similar game to Nank circa 2017-2018 (ie. he was still useful at stoppages after the immediate ruck contest and more of a presence around the ground) then I'd probably be more than a little interested, because it would insulate his scoring a little more against half-decent opposition rucks.

Speaking of Nank what chance is there that Naismith only manages to perform to Nank's 2019 average of 75? That would end up in a slower rate of of cash gen and an unplayable R2, or at least one which will leave you 40-50 points in the red right off the back every week.

In your example it is not just about the 40-50 points Naismith is behind Gawn. It also comes down to how well the extra ~$450k is spent across the team including the difference between Naismith and the worst rookie on field in the Gawn team.

 

[aps1]

yeah no chance I do it but for a moment there I know I will regret picking and not picking Gawn or Naismith once lockout is upon us

Welcome to Supercoach 2020. I think I’ll do that for every player I choose...

 

[Professor]

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