Opinion SC 2021: Rate My Team
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I once asked about your variability in ranking, can now see why!! 
Gutsy yet sensible moves.
What I do like about this side beside the fact you have 16 players who could get there, is it is not filled with a lot of $200-350k players, who realistically don't have a chance of being keepers.
Think you will get off to a flyer with this team. Cash generation will be interesting at round 10. Having said that, you don't see to be missing to many cheaper rookies who could do well and have managed to eliminate potn sub optimal ones.
I have 12 premiums and the only extra rookie players I have beyond you are (J Clark, Dow, Impey, Butts, F8).
Ideally if not going Gawn, Neale, Danger and Lloyd (who are not likely to exceed last year ave except for Danger, yet should be top 2 in their roles), I would prefer less risk around sub premium players getting to top 8-10.
Caldwell the least likely to get there (role ok, CBA maybe ave, does he have scoring power?), would rather a cheap rookie and reinvest in 1-2 of Walsh, Cripps, Phillips, Taranto or Rowell. Well done, look forward to seeing how you go. Meek hard to judge for the return he will give, Flynn at R2 alone will see outperformance.
Gutsy yet sensible moves. What I do like about this side beside the fact you have 16 players who could get there, is it is not filled with a lot of $200-350k players, who realistically don't have a chance of being keepers.
Think you will get off to a flyer with this team. Cash generation will be interesting at round 10. Having said that, you don't see to be missing to many cheaper rookies who could do well and have managed to eliminate potn sub optimal ones.
I have 12 premiums and the only extra rookie players I have beyond you are (J Clark, Dow, Impey, Butts, F8).
Ideally if not going Gawn, Neale, Danger and Lloyd (who are not likely to exceed last year ave except for Danger, yet should be top 2 in their roles), I would prefer less risk around sub premium players getting to top 8-10.
Caldwell the least likely to get there (role ok, CBA maybe ave, does he have scoring power?), would rather a cheap rookie and reinvest in 1-2 of Walsh, Cripps, Phillips, Taranto or Rowell. Well done, look forward to seeing how you go. Meek hard to judge for the return he will give, Flynn at R2 alone will see outperformance.
Will try and reply bit by bit on this one
Taranto just kind of fell in, it's not that I didn't like him but more my incessant need to play devil's advocate and challenge what people's expectations are. On crunching the numbers I found that 105 works for my team and I think he's capable of that, realistically it's a risky cluster**** of 4 players to average me 440 points though which I think that group can do, anything above that is bonus points!
Daniher went out for Dunkley, still think he's the 2nd best option but he doesn't fit in to this side.
Lloyd would be the target (the draft before I tweaked had no Dunkley which allowed Gawn, Daniher and Lloyd) but if Whitfield or someone else were to present extreme value I'd take them but definitely would be a strong focus on premium upgrades as I'd be surprised if my mid and fwd speculations are all high end picks, realistically I think they can all hit a level to be keepers in my side but that is occupying my M5-8 and F4-6 spots from the start so it's important to target the genuine top tier guys.
Rookies gonna rookie, outside perhaps the forward pair who I glossed over and Murray who is more value in a bad group, I feel pretty good about the ones I've got.
If I went Grundy to Hunter I'd probably use the cash "de-risking" other spots. Caldwell to Danger, D5 to Lloyd, Daniher rookie forward and probably Walsh to Bont/Jelly/Fyfe. Basically I'd do what I can to isolate my risk into the rucks and to have the premium scoring elsewhere knowing that probably 6 of my first 8 trades are going to likely be needed/targeted at the ruck upgrades. It would still take an absolutely perfect storm for me to go this path though and Fullarton would just about be a lock as a fwd rookie as part of it, I think you can survive a week or two if two of the rookie rucks go down and you have Fullarton but he's got a limited shelf life also I imagine. As much as it makes sense on paper projections, the risk is enormous.
Henry I'd be very surprised if he's not playing. Prior to the AAMI game I'd have said differently but with Walters, Crowden, Banfield and Frederick all injured in the past week and Walters looking the closest to return at about round 3 I'd be very surprised if he's not a fixture over the first 6 weeks. I have very little certainty that he actually generates cash though, he's a special talent but still very raw and doesn't find a lot of ball.
I'm still pretty focused on the back rookies being the issue. I think you can find 3 but you're going to be paying 170k for the 3rd be it Butts or Cox, Murray is the bargain and hope for the best but I think he's behind Butts, scores worse than Butts and Talia is looming.
To be fair, this one is highly experimental and I agree entirely with a lot of the thoughts you've put in and have had various versions with basically everything you've suggested
Will try and reply bit by bit on this one
Taranto just kind of fell in, it's not that I didn't like him but more my incessant need to play devil's advocate and challenge what people's expectations are. On crunching the numbers I found that 105 works for my team and I think he's capable of that, realistically it's a risky cluster**** of 4 players to average me 440 points though which I think that group can do, anything above that is bonus points!
Daniher went out for Dunkley, still think he's the 2nd best option but he doesn't fit in to this side.
Lloyd would be the target (the draft before I tweaked had no Dunkley which allowed Gawn, Daniher and Lloyd) but if Whitfield or someone else were to present extreme value I'd take them but definitely would be a strong focus on premium upgrades as I'd be surprised if my mid and fwd speculations are all high end picks, realistically I think they can all hit a level to be keepers in my side but that is occupying my M5-8 and F4-6 spots from the start so it's important to target the genuine top tier guys.
Rookies gonna rookie, outside perhaps the forward pair who I glossed over and Murray who is more value in a bad group, I feel pretty good about the ones I've got.
If I went Grundy to Hunter I'd probably use the cash "de-risking" other spots. Caldwell to Danger, D5 to Lloyd, Daniher rookie forward and probably Walsh to Bont/Jelly/Fyfe. Basically I'd do what I can to isolate my risk into the rucks and to have the premium scoring elsewhere knowing that probably 6 of my first 8 trades are going to likely be needed/targeted at the ruck upgrades. It would still take an absolutely perfect storm for me to go this path though and Fullarton would just about be a lock as a fwd rookie as part of it, I think you can survive a week or two if two of the rookie rucks go down and you have Fullarton but he's got a limited shelf life also I imagine. As much as it makes sense on paper projections, the risk is enormous.
Henry I'd be very surprised if he's not playing. Prior to the AAMI game I'd have said differently but with Walters, Crowden, Banfield and Frederick all injured in the past week and Walters looking the closest to return at about round 3 I'd be very surprised if he's not a fixture over the first 6 weeks. I have very little certainty that he actually generates cash though, he's a special talent but still very raw and doesn't find a lot of ball.
I'm still pretty focused on the back rookies being the issue. I think you can find 3 but you're going to be paying 170k for the 3rd be it Butts or Cox, Murray is the bargain and hope for the best but I think he's behind Butts, scores worse than Butts and Talia is looming.
Will try and reply bit by bit on this one
Taranto just kind of fell in, it's not that I didn't like him but more my incessant need to play devil's advocate and challenge what people's expectations are. On crunching the numbers I found that 105 works for my team and I think he's capable of that, realistically it's a risky cluster**** of 4 players to average me 440 points though which I think that group can do, anything above that is bonus points!
Daniher went out for Dunkley, still think he's the 2nd best option but he doesn't fit in to this side.
Lloyd would be the target (the draft before I tweaked had no Dunkley which allowed Gawn, Daniher and Lloyd) but if Whitfield or someone else were to present extreme value I'd take them but definitely would be a strong focus on premium upgrades as I'd be surprised if my mid and fwd speculations are all high end picks, realistically I think they can all hit a level to be keepers in my side but that is occupying my M5-8 and F4-6 spots from the start so it's important to target the genuine top tier guys.
Rookies gonna rookie, outside perhaps the forward pair who I glossed over and Murray who is more value in a bad group, I feel pretty good about the ones I've got.
If I went Grundy to Hunter I'd probably use the cash "de-risking" other spots. Caldwell to Danger, D5 to Lloyd, Daniher rookie forward and probably Walsh to Bont/Jelly/Fyfe. Basically I'd do what I can to isolate my risk into the rucks and to have the premium scoring elsewhere knowing that probably 6 of my first 8 trades are going to likely be needed/targeted at the ruck upgrades. It would still take an absolutely perfect storm for me to go this path though and Fullarton would just about be a lock as a fwd rookie as part of it, I think you can survive a week or two if two of the rookie rucks go down and you have Fullarton but he's got a limited shelf life also I imagine. As much as it makes sense on paper projections, the risk is enormous.
Henry I'd be very surprised if he's not playing. Prior to the AAMI game I'd have said differently but with Walters, Crowden, Banfield and Frederick all injured in the past week and Walters looking the closest to return at about round 3 I'd be very surprised if he's not a fixture over the first 6 weeks. I have very little certainty that he actually generates cash though, he's a special talent but still very raw and doesn't find a lot of ball.
I'm still pretty focused on the back rookies being the issue. I think you can find 3 but you're going to be paying 170k for the 3rd be it Butts or Cox, Murray is the bargain and hope for the best but I think he's behind Butts, scores worse than Butts and Talia is looming.
I was talking about Collingwood Henry , not Fremantle Henry (not another higher priced forwards starting rookie option).
The way Kelly was talking last night he is in the 22 so might be Butts , Doedee & Kelly.
Murray still might miss out.
Butts or Cox , is Ling now out of the equation ?
Koschitzke & Highmore will be the popular benchies.
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And thanks to the detailed response about if you did go to Grundy - > Hunter in your team , those multi quote answers always get me (completely missed it the first time)
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And thanks to the detailed response about if you did go to Grundy - > Hunter in your team , those multi quote answers always get me (completely missed it the first time)
Cheers
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Lot of tinkering going on here and a very interesting mix obtained, there's a few versions of this but currently this is the one I've settled, this is a pure speculation and I'm sure anyone who's paid any attention to what I've said will be laughing at some of the choices
My final team may look nothing like this, ultimately the rookies will pick my side and I'd happily ditch a defender if I can.
Backs
Laird - Hasn't left my side although I'll admit I wavered a little for the first time after the preseason game!
Ridley - Was in my very first draft, didn't love his preseason but he played well in the games and I love his upside.
Daniel - Probably the one I like the least with the fear of tags but also the one I like the rule changes the most for.
Stewart - Finally got him in, even if it cost me Lloyd, I see some upside here also.
Short - Just love him as a player so happy to turn that into hatred very quickly if he lets me down
Highmore - The best on-field value right now, I still like Cox but only paying for him if I have to.
Kosi - Safe bench choice.
Murray - Value and he looked good and has a chance. I would like someone a bit safer but I'll let you know when that unicorn appears.
I'd like Lloyd, especially with 5 premiums but going down to Stewart (I think it's really Daniel who is the 5th chosen here though) effectively allowed me to get Dunkley in (there were two other moves also).
At this point I'm basically on the 5 premiums path, to Lloyd or not to Lloyd is the question.
Mids
Macrae - Love the rule changes for him. Love his durability. Love his scoring history. Don't love the Treloar cat among the pigeons but he's the guy I think is able to weather the storm and will still be the top Dog, pardon the pun.
Merrett - Loved his preseason, looks excellent. Rule changes suit him, role change matching with end of last year and love him as a player.
Walsh - Speculative but I think the rule changes suit him and I think he can push 115, which is what I need from one of the 4 "speculative" picks.
Cripps - It's amazing how a bad game can sway the feelings, went from locked in until I watched him and then panic sets in. Ultimately it's a guy who has gone 117+ in 2 of his last 3 years priced at 97. 110 will do the job.
Rowell - Yep... he weaseled his way in, I can't say it was a plan but when I ditched Gawn all of a sudden Dow and a 123k rookie could be Taranto and Rowell and, while I'm not a huge believer in either, I can't stop the idea that both can hit premium numbers and that at their prices the keeper threshold is reduced. I'm hoping for 110 here.
Taranto - Yep... after what has felt like a preseason waging a vendetta against him (despite actually liking him as a player!) he also has found a way in. This particular team needs a 105 from him. Really what I need is a 115, two 110s and a 105 from the 4 value picks and they can all stay all season. Taranto handballs a bit more and he fixes his ratio a decent chunk.
Campbell - I think he's my top rated of the genuine rookies at this point. Worth the premium.
Powell - Also really liked what I saw from him, looks the kind who if he's there round one he'll be very successful. There is a fair bit of competition for spots though. He's worth the premium imo but if the JS looks very iffy I can drop to other options.
Gulden - Love him.
Scott - Will see what happens but I think he's there round 1 and a very solid rookie, FWIW I'd probably start him up forward over Rowe, I haven't actually tinkered with rookies in this draft except the ruck setup.
I actually really like this mix, I'd love Neale. I had to drop Kelly to Cripps to get Dunkley in up forward but otherwise I think I'm happy with the choices. Which feels weird. Rookies are the interesting part.
Rucks
Grundy - I think the rucks are going to fall a fair bit. I think Grundy is underpriced on previous seasons, therefore I think Grundy will be ball park fair value at this price if he can bounce back to previous levels while copping a hit from market movement. Somehow despite that, I'd still prefer Gawn but this was the other change that allowed Dunkley and I think Dunkley could go hard.
Flynn - Like him a lot, was genuinely impressed by his work. I remember being impressed with him a few years ago in preseason as well. I feel very confident that he's a top 3 rookie this year barring injury.
Meek - Was super impressed with his game, just looks a talent and as much as I rate Darcy he's done nothing to deserve to play ahead of Meek after a few years of opportunity, if anything he's done the opposite by constantly being grossly overweight. I'm actually confident that Meek makes the #1 ruck spot his own, Darcy will get the chance to do a Marshall basically if he can.
I really want to go the 3 rookies but as much as I rate Meek I know how highly Darcy is rated internally and he should be so if Meek failed his JS is an issue and if he's not playing the 3 rookie rucks can quickly become a disaster. Hunter doesn't have the JS either with all the unknown. FWIW I actually really like the look of Hunter and think he holds out McKernan so Marshall can ease back in up forward but Ryder is playing whenever he's back and we have no idea when. If they came out and said Ryder wont be back until round 6, Meek is picked alongside Darcy and Flynn is picked, I'd go 3 rookies.
Forwards
Dunkley - I like Danger more but I can't find the cash and I still like Dunkley and even though I like Danger more I can totally create the story where Dunkley is the top forward.
Phillips - This pick is probably more about my overall forward expectations than it is Phillips. I think 95 is going to be good for F4-6 this year, especially if you're paying 75 for it. At 75, if Phillips can get to 90 I think he works out as a keeper.
Caldwell - Same theory basically only high 80s would probably do the trick here. I think Caldwell can push to something similar to Bailey Smith last year (92) and if he did that's a keeper by my numbers.
Ziebell - High end rookie with genuine keeper potential, imo. If he's bad at his role he should score mid 80s. If he's good, 100 is genuinely in play. He won't matter though until people start trading him out as he should be the first player picked in every side.
Warner - Not sold here but if he's there round 1 and genuinely looks to have the wing, that changes. Plenty of options but the issue is so many are more expensive which would mean changes, did someone say 3 rookie rucks
Rowe - Safe as houses, as mentioned, probably start Scott over him.
Fullarton - Honestly, I forgot about him after tinkering with a 3 rookie ruck setup, probably go someone else here but don't mind him.
Brockman - Liked what I saw. There are options around for this spot.
Would be targeting Danger and probably Marshall as the final two here if they look good. Dusty at his annual round 8 discount also an option. Mostly this structure here is about a belief in the forward premium group being overpriced or unavailable to the point that the requirements for the position drop. I don't really love any of the sub-premium guys to push 105+ under current scenarios, which means I think you've basically got Dunkley and Danger as the 105+ guys and then I think a group of 95-100 guys left over which means well priced 92s will match that.
Generally if I've nailed my picks/thoughts then this is a 16 keeper team which makes the Lloyd, Danger, Gawn and Neale upgrades a heck of a lot more obtainable, especially if I can get a Martin/Marshall for a nice discount, the final mid I'm not worried, one of those guys is going to be cheap at some point. The risk obviously is that I need the cows to produce as I don't have as many of them and working with less "cash generation" spots means I need upgrade targets that also generate some cash.
Other major issue with this side is the cheap rookies selected are not a terribly flexible group so if I want this team I've got to work in pretty well defined parameters which could scrap the whole thing very rapidly. View attachment 26982
My final team may look nothing like this, ultimately the rookies will pick my side and I'd happily ditch a defender if I can.
Backs
Laird - Hasn't left my side although I'll admit I wavered a little for the first time after the preseason game!
Ridley - Was in my very first draft, didn't love his preseason but he played well in the games and I love his upside.
Daniel - Probably the one I like the least with the fear of tags but also the one I like the rule changes the most for.
Stewart - Finally got him in, even if it cost me Lloyd, I see some upside here also.
Short - Just love him as a player so happy to turn that into hatred very quickly if he lets me down
Highmore - The best on-field value right now, I still like Cox but only paying for him if I have to.
Kosi - Safe bench choice.
Murray - Value and he looked good and has a chance. I would like someone a bit safer but I'll let you know when that unicorn appears.
I'd like Lloyd, especially with 5 premiums but going down to Stewart (I think it's really Daniel who is the 5th chosen here though) effectively allowed me to get Dunkley in (there were two other moves also).
At this point I'm basically on the 5 premiums path, to Lloyd or not to Lloyd is the question.
Mids
Macrae - Love the rule changes for him. Love his durability. Love his scoring history. Don't love the Treloar cat among the pigeons but he's the guy I think is able to weather the storm and will still be the top Dog, pardon the pun.
Merrett - Loved his preseason, looks excellent. Rule changes suit him, role change matching with end of last year and love him as a player.
Walsh - Speculative but I think the rule changes suit him and I think he can push 115, which is what I need from one of the 4 "speculative" picks.
Cripps - It's amazing how a bad game can sway the feelings, went from locked in until I watched him and then panic sets in. Ultimately it's a guy who has gone 117+ in 2 of his last 3 years priced at 97. 110 will do the job.
Rowell - Yep... he weaseled his way in, I can't say it was a plan but when I ditched Gawn all of a sudden Dow and a 123k rookie could be Taranto and Rowell and, while I'm not a huge believer in either, I can't stop the idea that both can hit premium numbers and that at their prices the keeper threshold is reduced. I'm hoping for 110 here.
Taranto - Yep... after what has felt like a preseason waging a vendetta against him (despite actually liking him as a player!) he also has found a way in. This particular team needs a 105 from him. Really what I need is a 115, two 110s and a 105 from the 4 value picks and they can all stay all season. Taranto handballs a bit more and he fixes his ratio a decent chunk.
Campbell - I think he's my top rated of the genuine rookies at this point. Worth the premium.
Powell - Also really liked what I saw from him, looks the kind who if he's there round one he'll be very successful. There is a fair bit of competition for spots though. He's worth the premium imo but if the JS looks very iffy I can drop to other options.
Gulden - Love him.
Scott - Will see what happens but I think he's there round 1 and a very solid rookie, FWIW I'd probably start him up forward over Rowe, I haven't actually tinkered with rookies in this draft except the ruck setup.
I actually really like this mix, I'd love Neale. I had to drop Kelly to Cripps to get Dunkley in up forward but otherwise I think I'm happy with the choices. Which feels weird. Rookies are the interesting part.
Rucks
Grundy - I think the rucks are going to fall a fair bit. I think Grundy is underpriced on previous seasons, therefore I think Grundy will be ball park fair value at this price if he can bounce back to previous levels while copping a hit from market movement. Somehow despite that, I'd still prefer Gawn but this was the other change that allowed Dunkley and I think Dunkley could go hard.
Flynn - Like him a lot, was genuinely impressed by his work. I remember being impressed with him a few years ago in preseason as well. I feel very confident that he's a top 3 rookie this year barring injury.
Meek - Was super impressed with his game, just looks a talent and as much as I rate Darcy he's done nothing to deserve to play ahead of Meek after a few years of opportunity, if anything he's done the opposite by constantly being grossly overweight. I'm actually confident that Meek makes the #1 ruck spot his own, Darcy will get the chance to do a Marshall basically if he can.
I really want to go the 3 rookies but as much as I rate Meek I know how highly Darcy is rated internally and he should be so if Meek failed his JS is an issue and if he's not playing the 3 rookie rucks can quickly become a disaster. Hunter doesn't have the JS either with all the unknown. FWIW I actually really like the look of Hunter and think he holds out McKernan so Marshall can ease back in up forward but Ryder is playing whenever he's back and we have no idea when. If they came out and said Ryder wont be back until round 6, Meek is picked alongside Darcy and Flynn is picked, I'd go 3 rookies.
Forwards
Dunkley - I like Danger more but I can't find the cash and I still like Dunkley and even though I like Danger more I can totally create the story where Dunkley is the top forward.
Phillips - This pick is probably more about my overall forward expectations than it is Phillips. I think 95 is going to be good for F4-6 this year, especially if you're paying 75 for it. At 75, if Phillips can get to 90 I think he works out as a keeper.
Caldwell - Same theory basically only high 80s would probably do the trick here. I think Caldwell can push to something similar to Bailey Smith last year (92) and if he did that's a keeper by my numbers.
Ziebell - High end rookie with genuine keeper potential, imo. If he's bad at his role he should score mid 80s. If he's good, 100 is genuinely in play. He won't matter though until people start trading him out as he should be the first player picked in every side.
Warner - Not sold here but if he's there round 1 and genuinely looks to have the wing, that changes. Plenty of options but the issue is so many are more expensive which would mean changes, did someone say 3 rookie rucks
Rowe - Safe as houses, as mentioned, probably start Scott over him.
Fullarton - Honestly, I forgot about him after tinkering with a 3 rookie ruck setup, probably go someone else here but don't mind him.
Brockman - Liked what I saw. There are options around for this spot.
Would be targeting Danger and probably Marshall as the final two here if they look good. Dusty at his annual round 8 discount also an option. Mostly this structure here is about a belief in the forward premium group being overpriced or unavailable to the point that the requirements for the position drop. I don't really love any of the sub-premium guys to push 105+ under current scenarios, which means I think you've basically got Dunkley and Danger as the 105+ guys and then I think a group of 95-100 guys left over which means well priced 92s will match that.
Generally if I've nailed my picks/thoughts then this is a 16 keeper team which makes the Lloyd, Danger, Gawn and Neale upgrades a heck of a lot more obtainable, especially if I can get a Martin/Marshall for a nice discount, the final mid I'm not worried, one of those guys is going to be cheap at some point. The risk obviously is that I need the cows to produce as I don't have as many of them and working with less "cash generation" spots means I need upgrade targets that also generate some cash.
Other major issue with this side is the cheap rookies selected are not a terribly flexible group so if I want this team I've got to work in pretty well defined parameters which could scrap the whole thing very rapidly. View attachment 26982
Lot of tinkering going on here and a very interesting mix obtained, there's a few versions of this but currently this is the one I've settled, this is a pure speculation and I'm sure anyone who's paid any attention to what I've said will be laughing at some of the choices
My final team may look nothing like this, ultimately the rookies will pick my side and I'd happily ditch a defender if I can.
Backs
Laird - Hasn't left my side although I'll admit I wavered a little for the first time after the preseason game!
Ridley - Was in my very first draft, didn't love his preseason but he played well in the games and I love his upside.
Daniel - Probably the one I like the least with the fear of tags but also the one I like the rule changes the most for.
Stewart - Finally got him in, even if it cost me Lloyd, I see some upside here also.
Short - Just love him as a player so happy to turn that into hatred very quickly if he lets me down
Highmore - The best on-field value right now, I still like Cox but only paying for him if I have to.
Kosi - Safe bench choice.
Murray - Value and he looked good and has a chance. I would like someone a bit safer but I'll let you know when that unicorn appears.
I'd like Lloyd, especially with 5 premiums but going down to Stewart (I think it's really Daniel who is the 5th chosen here though) effectively allowed me to get Dunkley in (there were two other moves also).
At this point I'm basically on the 5 premiums path, to Lloyd or not to Lloyd is the question.
Mids
Macrae - Love the rule changes for him. Love his durability. Love his scoring history. Don't love the Treloar cat among the pigeons but he's the guy I think is able to weather the storm and will still be the top Dog, pardon the pun.
Merrett - Loved his preseason, looks excellent. Rule changes suit him, role change matching with end of last year and love him as a player.
Walsh - Speculative but I think the rule changes suit him and I think he can push 115, which is what I need from one of the 4 "speculative" picks.
Cripps - It's amazing how a bad game can sway the feelings, went from locked in until I watched him and then panic sets in. Ultimately it's a guy who has gone 117+ in 2 of his last 3 years priced at 97. 110 will do the job.
Rowell - Yep... he weaseled his way in, I can't say it was a plan but when I ditched Gawn all of a sudden Dow and a 123k rookie could be Taranto and Rowell and, while I'm not a huge believer in either, I can't stop the idea that both can hit premium numbers and that at their prices the keeper threshold is reduced. I'm hoping for 110 here.
Taranto - Yep... after what has felt like a preseason waging a vendetta against him (despite actually liking him as a player!) he also has found a way in. This particular team needs a 105 from him. Really what I need is a 115, two 110s and a 105 from the 4 value picks and they can all stay all season. Taranto handballs a bit more and he fixes his ratio a decent chunk.
Campbell - I think he's my top rated of the genuine rookies at this point. Worth the premium.
Powell - Also really liked what I saw from him, looks the kind who if he's there round one he'll be very successful. There is a fair bit of competition for spots though. He's worth the premium imo but if the JS looks very iffy I can drop to other options.
Gulden - Love him.
Scott - Will see what happens but I think he's there round 1 and a very solid rookie, FWIW I'd probably start him up forward over Rowe, I haven't actually tinkered with rookies in this draft except the ruck setup.
I actually really like this mix, I'd love Neale. I had to drop Kelly to Cripps to get Dunkley in up forward but otherwise I think I'm happy with the choices. Which feels weird. Rookies are the interesting part.
Rucks
Grundy - I think the rucks are going to fall a fair bit. I think Grundy is underpriced on previous seasons, therefore I think Grundy will be ball park fair value at this price if he can bounce back to previous levels while copping a hit from market movement. Somehow despite that, I'd still prefer Gawn but this was the other change that allowed Dunkley and I think Dunkley could go hard.
Flynn - Like him a lot, was genuinely impressed by his work. I remember being impressed with him a few years ago in preseason as well. I feel very confident that he's a top 3 rookie this year barring injury.
Meek - Was super impressed with his game, just looks a talent and as much as I rate Darcy he's done nothing to deserve to play ahead of Meek after a few years of opportunity, if anything he's done the opposite by constantly being grossly overweight. I'm actually confident that Meek makes the #1 ruck spot his own, Darcy will get the chance to do a Marshall basically if he can.
I really want to go the 3 rookies but as much as I rate Meek I know how highly Darcy is rated internally and he should be so if Meek failed his JS is an issue and if he's not playing the 3 rookie rucks can quickly become a disaster. Hunter doesn't have the JS either with all the unknown. FWIW I actually really like the look of Hunter and think he holds out McKernan so Marshall can ease back in up forward but Ryder is playing whenever he's back and we have no idea when. If they came out and said Ryder wont be back until round 6, Meek is picked alongside Darcy and Flynn is picked, I'd go 3 rookies.
Forwards
Dunkley - I like Danger more but I can't find the cash and I still like Dunkley and even though I like Danger more I can totally create the story where Dunkley is the top forward.
Phillips - This pick is probably more about my overall forward expectations than it is Phillips. I think 95 is going to be good for F4-6 this year, especially if you're paying 75 for it. At 75, if Phillips can get to 90 I think he works out as a keeper.
Caldwell - Same theory basically only high 80s would probably do the trick here. I think Caldwell can push to something similar to Bailey Smith last year (92) and if he did that's a keeper by my numbers.
Ziebell - High end rookie with genuine keeper potential, imo. If he's bad at his role he should score mid 80s. If he's good, 100 is genuinely in play. He won't matter though until people start trading him out as he should be the first player picked in every side.
Warner - Not sold here but if he's there round 1 and genuinely looks to have the wing, that changes. Plenty of options but the issue is so many are more expensive which would mean changes, did someone say 3 rookie rucks
Rowe - Safe as houses, as mentioned, probably start Scott over him.
Fullarton - Honestly, I forgot about him after tinkering with a 3 rookie ruck setup, probably go someone else here but don't mind him.
Brockman - Liked what I saw. There are options around for this spot.
Would be targeting Danger and probably Marshall as the final two here if they look good. Dusty at his annual round 8 discount also an option. Mostly this structure here is about a belief in the forward premium group being overpriced or unavailable to the point that the requirements for the position drop. I don't really love any of the sub-premium guys to push 105+ under current scenarios, which means I think you've basically got Dunkley and Danger as the 105+ guys and then I think a group of 95-100 guys left over which means well priced 92s will match that.
Generally if I've nailed my picks/thoughts then this is a 16 keeper team which makes the Lloyd, Danger, Gawn and Neale upgrades a heck of a lot more obtainable, especially if I can get a Martin/Marshall for a nice discount, the final mid I'm not worried, one of those guys is going to be cheap at some point. The risk obviously is that I need the cows to produce as I don't have as many of them and working with less "cash generation" spots means I need upgrade targets that also generate some cash.
Other major issue with this side is the cheap rookies selected are not a terribly flexible group so if I want this team I've got to work in pretty well defined parameters which could scrap the whole thing very rapidly. View attachment 26982
My final team may look nothing like this, ultimately the rookies will pick my side and I'd happily ditch a defender if I can.
Backs
Laird - Hasn't left my side although I'll admit I wavered a little for the first time after the preseason game!
Ridley - Was in my very first draft, didn't love his preseason but he played well in the games and I love his upside.
Daniel - Probably the one I like the least with the fear of tags but also the one I like the rule changes the most for.
Stewart - Finally got him in, even if it cost me Lloyd, I see some upside here also.
Short - Just love him as a player so happy to turn that into hatred very quickly if he lets me down
Highmore - The best on-field value right now, I still like Cox but only paying for him if I have to.
Kosi - Safe bench choice.
Murray - Value and he looked good and has a chance. I would like someone a bit safer but I'll let you know when that unicorn appears.
I'd like Lloyd, especially with 5 premiums but going down to Stewart (I think it's really Daniel who is the 5th chosen here though) effectively allowed me to get Dunkley in (there were two other moves also).
At this point I'm basically on the 5 premiums path, to Lloyd or not to Lloyd is the question.
Mids
Macrae - Love the rule changes for him. Love his durability. Love his scoring history. Don't love the Treloar cat among the pigeons but he's the guy I think is able to weather the storm and will still be the top Dog, pardon the pun.
Merrett - Loved his preseason, looks excellent. Rule changes suit him, role change matching with end of last year and love him as a player.
Walsh - Speculative but I think the rule changes suit him and I think he can push 115, which is what I need from one of the 4 "speculative" picks.
Cripps - It's amazing how a bad game can sway the feelings, went from locked in until I watched him and then panic sets in. Ultimately it's a guy who has gone 117+ in 2 of his last 3 years priced at 97. 110 will do the job.
Rowell - Yep... he weaseled his way in, I can't say it was a plan but when I ditched Gawn all of a sudden Dow and a 123k rookie could be Taranto and Rowell and, while I'm not a huge believer in either, I can't stop the idea that both can hit premium numbers and that at their prices the keeper threshold is reduced. I'm hoping for 110 here.
Taranto - Yep... after what has felt like a preseason waging a vendetta against him (despite actually liking him as a player!) he also has found a way in. This particular team needs a 105 from him. Really what I need is a 115, two 110s and a 105 from the 4 value picks and they can all stay all season. Taranto handballs a bit more and he fixes his ratio a decent chunk.
Campbell - I think he's my top rated of the genuine rookies at this point. Worth the premium.
Powell - Also really liked what I saw from him, looks the kind who if he's there round one he'll be very successful. There is a fair bit of competition for spots though. He's worth the premium imo but if the JS looks very iffy I can drop to other options.
Gulden - Love him.
Scott - Will see what happens but I think he's there round 1 and a very solid rookie, FWIW I'd probably start him up forward over Rowe, I haven't actually tinkered with rookies in this draft except the ruck setup.
I actually really like this mix, I'd love Neale. I had to drop Kelly to Cripps to get Dunkley in up forward but otherwise I think I'm happy with the choices. Which feels weird. Rookies are the interesting part.
Rucks
Grundy - I think the rucks are going to fall a fair bit. I think Grundy is underpriced on previous seasons, therefore I think Grundy will be ball park fair value at this price if he can bounce back to previous levels while copping a hit from market movement. Somehow despite that, I'd still prefer Gawn but this was the other change that allowed Dunkley and I think Dunkley could go hard.
Flynn - Like him a lot, was genuinely impressed by his work. I remember being impressed with him a few years ago in preseason as well. I feel very confident that he's a top 3 rookie this year barring injury.
Meek - Was super impressed with his game, just looks a talent and as much as I rate Darcy he's done nothing to deserve to play ahead of Meek after a few years of opportunity, if anything he's done the opposite by constantly being grossly overweight. I'm actually confident that Meek makes the #1 ruck spot his own, Darcy will get the chance to do a Marshall basically if he can.
I really want to go the 3 rookies but as much as I rate Meek I know how highly Darcy is rated internally and he should be so if Meek failed his JS is an issue and if he's not playing the 3 rookie rucks can quickly become a disaster. Hunter doesn't have the JS either with all the unknown. FWIW I actually really like the look of Hunter and think he holds out McKernan so Marshall can ease back in up forward but Ryder is playing whenever he's back and we have no idea when. If they came out and said Ryder wont be back until round 6, Meek is picked alongside Darcy and Flynn is picked, I'd go 3 rookies.
Forwards
Dunkley - I like Danger more but I can't find the cash and I still like Dunkley and even though I like Danger more I can totally create the story where Dunkley is the top forward.
Phillips - This pick is probably more about my overall forward expectations than it is Phillips. I think 95 is going to be good for F4-6 this year, especially if you're paying 75 for it. At 75, if Phillips can get to 90 I think he works out as a keeper.
Caldwell - Same theory basically only high 80s would probably do the trick here. I think Caldwell can push to something similar to Bailey Smith last year (92) and if he did that's a keeper by my numbers.
Ziebell - High end rookie with genuine keeper potential, imo. If he's bad at his role he should score mid 80s. If he's good, 100 is genuinely in play. He won't matter though until people start trading him out as he should be the first player picked in every side.
Warner - Not sold here but if he's there round 1 and genuinely looks to have the wing, that changes. Plenty of options but the issue is so many are more expensive which would mean changes, did someone say 3 rookie rucks
Rowe - Safe as houses, as mentioned, probably start Scott over him.
Fullarton - Honestly, I forgot about him after tinkering with a 3 rookie ruck setup, probably go someone else here but don't mind him.
Brockman - Liked what I saw. There are options around for this spot.
Would be targeting Danger and probably Marshall as the final two here if they look good. Dusty at his annual round 8 discount also an option. Mostly this structure here is about a belief in the forward premium group being overpriced or unavailable to the point that the requirements for the position drop. I don't really love any of the sub-premium guys to push 105+ under current scenarios, which means I think you've basically got Dunkley and Danger as the 105+ guys and then I think a group of 95-100 guys left over which means well priced 92s will match that.
Generally if I've nailed my picks/thoughts then this is a 16 keeper team which makes the Lloyd, Danger, Gawn and Neale upgrades a heck of a lot more obtainable, especially if I can get a Martin/Marshall for a nice discount, the final mid I'm not worried, one of those guys is going to be cheap at some point. The risk obviously is that I need the cows to produce as I don't have as many of them and working with less "cash generation" spots means I need upgrade targets that also generate some cash.
Other major issue with this side is the cheap rookies selected are not a terribly flexible group so if I want this team I've got to work in pretty well defined parameters which could scrap the whole thing very rapidly. View attachment 26982
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Hey all, I would really appreciate some constructive criticism on my team As you can see, I still have 45k in the bank, any suggestions? Thank you!
As you can see, I still have 45k in the bank, any suggestions? Thank you!
Team til teams
Backs laird Stewart short young Clark highmore
Emer kossie Murray
Mids Macrae Bont Merrett danger Taranto Campbell Powell gulden
Emer Downie brockman a scott
Rucks Gawn Grundy
Emer flynn
Forwards Dusty butters Phillips ziebell Warner Bergman
Emer fullarton rowe
$44.6k in the bank
can go Bont to clarry or steele
Or short to Daniel
Or upgrade the 102k guys to jordon (scott) Briggs (Murray)
Dusty could go to Dunkley but it’s just personal preference for durability
Think I have a nice balance here
missing Lloyd and Neale but it’s pretty strong.
Backs laird Stewart short young Clark highmore
Emer kossie Murray
Mids Macrae Bont Merrett danger Taranto Campbell Powell gulden
Emer Downie brockman a scott
Rucks Gawn Grundy
Emer flynn
Forwards Dusty butters Phillips ziebell Warner Bergman
Emer fullarton rowe
$44.6k in the bank
can go Bont to clarry or steele
Or short to Daniel
Or upgrade the 102k guys to jordon (scott) Briggs (Murray)
Dusty could go to Dunkley but it’s just personal preference for durability
Think I have a nice balance here
missing Lloyd and Neale but it’s pretty strong.
Hi All
Havent posted my team since before the JLT. Have done a couple of adjustments (the big one being R2) but overall have kept it quite similar, especially with rookies. Think this side is quite balanced and leaves space in defense for some top tier defender upgrades, as I dont really like filling 5 out of 6 slots prior to the season starting.
-Regardless of whats happening with stoppages, I can't ignore Gawn's draw in the first half of the year, which is now even easier with no Ryder
-Have had Macrae, Merrett, Kelly for a while. This "mids that spread from contest" theme is perfect for them. Walsh ownership dropping and I'm happy to bet against the trend, hopefully ownership can get down to 5%. Cripps 110 and Taranto 105 are both not out of reason, and are value at their prices.
-Share @wogitalia thoughts on forwards, threshold of "premium" probably 90-95 now. I think Bailey will be going 90+, has looked unbelievable in Brisbane's 2 warmup games. Caldwell is a cheap option that could make that jump. to quite close to that level.
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Im on the Atkins train, I can see it working. The article which sold me was the one in January, where Scarlett handpicked him to play def. I trust Scarlett as a legend of the game, a bit like how Ports recruiters put faith in Robbie Gray recommending they pick Butters in the draft. As you said he played the role really well and have heard nothing but good things in the preseason. Does he move positions at some point? We cant know for sure but it doesnt seem likely given he's trained in def all year and theres not really a spot for him forward. The fact he can win lots of contested ball is great to keep his score healthy, and coaches I assume is always happy with being able to win the contest. Given he doesnt take kick outs I'm sort of hoping for 85, with upside (and downside).
With defender scores seemingly inflated, and how he really took his opportunity in that role, I dont mind it for 290k. Its only 40k more than Ziebell who is in almost every team I see. Atkins actually defended against Tippa well which helps his stocks. I think Clark is the one with the main issues, to my knowledge I haven't seen Atkins spot questioned, yet Clark is having to compete with Smith/Duncan, thus potentially pushing Clark back or out the side. They even suggested Clark go through the midfield, so perhaps he is used as some sort of utility, where hes too good to leave out but they're struggling to find a position for him.
Having 3 dogs in my team with Clack + Atkins is going to be testing at times given the nature of Chris Scott at selection and Bevo with his magnets, but there's quite the upside with Atkins and for 290k, hopefully I've bought the dream rather than been sold one. I've tried to minimise risk by picking safer rookies (e.g. no treacy, jordon, briggs, fullarton, etc) so I can plan for a correction if required.
With defender scores seemingly inflated, and how he really took his opportunity in that role, I dont mind it for 290k. Its only 40k more than Ziebell who is in almost every team I see. Atkins actually defended against Tippa well which helps his stocks. I think Clark is the one with the main issues, to my knowledge I haven't seen Atkins spot questioned, yet Clark is having to compete with Smith/Duncan, thus potentially pushing Clark back or out the side. They even suggested Clark go through the midfield, so perhaps he is used as some sort of utility, where hes too good to leave out but they're struggling to find a position for him.
Having 3 dogs in my team with Clack + Atkins is going to be testing at times given the nature of Chris Scott at selection and Bevo with his magnets, but there's quite the upside with Atkins and for 290k, hopefully I've bought the dream rather than been sold one. I've tried to minimise risk by picking safer rookies (e.g. no treacy, jordon, briggs, fullarton, etc) so I can plan for a correction if required.
Hey guys first time posting anywhere,
Team is as follows.
Def: Lloyd, Laird, Stewart, Short, J.Clark, Highmore -Kosi, Murray
Mid: Neale, Steele, Macrae, Cripps, Phillips, T.Green, Powell, Gulden - Brockman, Downie, Scott
Ruck: GG, Flynn
Fwd: Dunkley, Daniher, Impey, Campbell, Bergman, Rowe - Jones, Treacy
Cash: $34,300
Rookies are subject to change based on teams but I’m pretty happy with the Job Security except for Murray and Treacy. Still have a little cash for some changes or correction trades in the early rounds.
Thoughts? Would love some feedback on what might be some risky picks. Cheers
Team is as follows.
Def: Lloyd, Laird, Stewart, Short, J.Clark, Highmore -Kosi, Murray
Mid: Neale, Steele, Macrae, Cripps, Phillips, T.Green, Powell, Gulden - Brockman, Downie, Scott
Ruck: GG, Flynn
Fwd: Dunkley, Daniher, Impey, Campbell, Bergman, Rowe - Jones, Treacy
Cash: $34,300
Rookies are subject to change based on teams but I’m pretty happy with the Job Security except for Murray and Treacy. Still have a little cash for some changes or correction trades in the early rounds.
Thoughts? Would love some feedback on what might be some risky picks. Cheers
Hey mate
How much $$$ do you have left ?
Your whole side/structure could depend on whether Jones is named or not.
E Smith may not play either , can you get him to Powell then adjust if necessary.
Laurie maybe also a problem possibly to Jones (ESS) or Warner (SYD).
You might be able to see if Caldwell is worth it after 4+6 weeks instead of starting him , maybe a lot of forwards vying for Top 8.
Caldwell - > Fantasia would give you the D/F link with Briggs.
Love the Brayshaw and H Clark picks btw.
Oliver - > Cripps , Rowell , Taranto might give you $$$ to work with as well.
How much $$$ do you have left ?
Your whole side/structure could depend on whether Jones is named or not.
E Smith may not play either , can you get him to Powell then adjust if necessary.
Laurie maybe also a problem possibly to Jones (ESS) or Warner (SYD).
You might be able to see if Caldwell is worth it after 4+6 weeks instead of starting him , maybe a lot of forwards vying for Top 8.
Caldwell - > Fantasia would give you the D/F link with Briggs.
Love the Brayshaw and H Clark picks btw.
Oliver - > Cripps , Rowell , Taranto might give you $$$ to work with as well.
cheers Herbie,
only got a few $$ lew in the bank around 6k
havent fully locked in rookies but will probably need some cash from somewhere, will end up dropping one of my 600k midfielders to cripps to fund it
not confident on fantasia or anyone under 400k other than caldwell really, especially up forward
only got a few $$ lew in the bank around 6k
havent fully locked in rookies but will probably need some cash from somewhere, will end up dropping one of my 600k midfielders to cripps to fund it
not confident on fantasia or anyone under 400k other than caldwell really, especially up forward