Opinion BBL|12: Player X vs Player Y & Trade Discussions

[Darkie]

Got a tricky decision to make with regards to which player(s) to choose over the other(s)?

Ask the community here!

We haven't had a dedicated BBL X vs Y thread previously, so a couple of friendly tips for those who haven't seen it:

- If there's a big difference in the price of the players involved, including the cash difference is benefical, eg: Clarke vs Gilkes + 57k (rather than just Clarke vs Gilkes).

- If you're posting a question, please try to respond to a couple of the questions already posted. It helps ensure everyone gets another opinion on those lineball decisions!

- You can see how it worked in the AFL season here: https://supercoachscores.com/threads/2022-player-x-v-player-y.4786/

You can also post trade questions here.

 

[Darkie]

Philippe vs Wade + 48k?

 

[Ironhawk]

I'm really not the best to answer these, so I'll step back from responding to each one as I usually do in the AFL, as I'm not a huge cricket follower. Definitely recommend people do provide feedback on at least one other X v Y before asking their own, otherwise this doesn't work very well. Good to see this topic.

 

[Darkie]

I'm really not the best to answer these, so I'll step back from responding to each one as I usually do in the AFL, as I'm not a huge cricket follower. Definitely recommend people do provide feedback on at least one other X v Y before asking their own, otherwise this doesn't work very well. Good to see this topic.

All good Ironhawk - you have done a power of work answering so many X vs Ys through the AFL SC season!

For anyone who likes to share their views, Ironhawk is running a combined BBL team in the following thread.

Would be great to get a broader group involved to take full advantage of the wisdom of the crowd I reckon it will be a very competitive team!

https://supercoachscores.com/threads/bbl-12-combined-scs-team.5005/

 

[Connoisseur]

Philippe vs Wade + 48k?

What is your intention with the cash received from switching to Wade? Upgrade onfield position, grab a future double to park on the bench or hold for next round, etc?

As for Philippe, do you have or expect to have a lot of exposure to the opposition bowling attacks for his opening two matches? Will he be facing these bowlers for the majority of his innings or is there enough time for him to make a quick 20 and a strike rate bonus, before they enter the attack?

 

[Chumpion]

Philippe vs Wade + 48k?

My worry with Wade is he effectively plays last outside of any Scorcher donuts, so there is a huge risk if his role is less desirable and you are relying on his score.

If the plan is a loop E then it doesn’t matter either way if that loop comes off, but it would be a nervous wait for that HH team sheet otherwise!

From a pure scoring perspective, I think Phillippe scores better for the start of the season (has a DGR and no bye) but I do think that gap closes over the season. I just don’t think you can pick anyone as a season keeper in this format and so therefore take the better early fixture/scoring potential.

The cash is obviously the wold card, but give the risks with Wade I would possibly try to find a different option.

So in short.. Phillippe.

 

[Darkie]

What is your intention with the cash received from switching to Wade? Upgrade onfield position, grab a future double to park on the bench or hold for next round, etc?

As for Philippe, do you have or expect to have a lot of exposure to the opposition bowling attacks for his opening two matches? Will he be facing these bowlers for the majority of his innings or is there enough time for him to make a quick 20 and a strike rate bonus, before they enter the attack?

Thank you - the use of the loose change is TBC at this point, although I would expect it to be used (ie not in the bank - except in extreme circumstances). Ideally it would be used in the R1 double but I am finding that my preferred R1 double players actually don't cost that much (given cheap Stars and generally midpriced Thunder players).

In terms of Philippe's likelihood of playing against bowlers I own, this isn't something I typically focus on. I just try to get the highest number of expected points early in the season, rather than focusing on the distribution of potential scores (ie I am happy to end up "hedging my bets", if I think that gives me the highest average score). Fortunately Philippe is a very quick scorer though, and he keeps wicket, so I don't think him scoring well and the opposing bowlers scoring well is mutually exclusive in this case

 

[Darkie]

My worry with Wade is he effectively plays last outside of any Scorcher donuts, so there is a huge risk if his role is less desirable and you are relying on his score.

If the plan is a loop E then it doesn’t matter either way if that loop comes off, but it would be a nervous wait for that HH team sheet otherwise!

From a pure scoring perspective, I think Phillippe scores better for the start of the season (has a DGR and no bye) but I do think that gap closes over the season. I just don’t think you can pick anyone as a season keeper in this format and so therefore take the better early fixture/scoring potential.

The cash is obviously the wold card, but give the risks with Wade I would possibly try to find a different option.

So in short.. Phillippe.

Thank you - I agree that Philippe probably outscores Wade. He likely averages more, and has the better early draw as well.

The main argument for Wade, as I see it, is his price/value. To @Connoisseur's point, the use of that loose change may be a key factor in the decision.

 

[Chumpion]

Thank you - I agree that Philippe probably outscores Wade. He likely averages more, and has the better early draw as well.

The main argument for Wade, as I see it, is his price/value. To @Connoisseur's point, the use of that loose change may be a key factor in the decision.

Yeah I think value/price could be misleading with Wade. Assuming Gilkes fails as a loop to the point it’s a single game position (Wade/Philippe vs Gilkes game 2) I think you’d almost just be better to back in Gilkes over Wade. You might net a points gain with Wade vs Gilkes in one game, but then you’re stuck with a guy that could hurt you. 4/10 rounds last year he scored 13 or less, meaning statistically you will likely get an average score and a bye in the first 5 rounds.

I just don’t think the fixture lines up for Wade, so it’s better to go a flawed player with a better early fixture or a slightly better player wth a favourable early fixture.

 

[Tails]

Yeah I think value/price could be misleading with Wade. Assuming Gilkes fails as a loop to the point it’s a single game position (Wade/Philippe vs Gilkes game 2) I think you’d almost just be better to back in Gilkes over Wade. You might net a points gain with Wade vs Gilkes in one game, but then you’re stuck with a guy that could hurt you. 4/10 rounds last year he scored 13 or less, meaning statistically you will likely get an average score and a bye in the first 5 rounds.

I just don’t think the fixture lines up for Wade, so it’s better to go a flawed player with a better early fixture or a slightly better player wth a favourable early fixture.

I'm looking at starting 5 wicket keepers ...

My headache lines are splitting between 3 of Rossouw (Bat) , Farooji (Bwl) , Zampa (Bwl) , Wood (Bat/Bowl) and Hosein (Bwl) ....

- Only one would need to be on field and the rest potentially looped from the bench ....

 

[Chumpion]

I'm looking at starting 5 wicket keepers ...

My headache lines are splitting between 3 of Rossouw (Bat) , Farooji (Bwl) , Zampa (Bwl) , Wood (Bat/Bowl) and Hosein (Bwl) ....

- Only one would need to be on field and the rest potentially looped from the bench ....

Wow 5! Which ones?
But yeah those guys will cause plenty of headaches. Zampa feels safe but the others are all ideally looped for safety..

 

[Tails]

Wow 5! Which ones?
But yeah those guys will cause plenty of headaches. Zampa feels safe but the others are all ideally looped for safety..

Oops .. I meant in my side ... not all on field to clarify ...

 

[The Banker]

Given the talk in the X v Y thread about Wade v Philippe, at what point do you consider Benny Mc over Philippe?

After last season, you would be hard pressed convincing me there’s a better bat in the comp.

Value seems to be the reason for most selections, so if spending up at WK is it crazy to consider spending up further?

 

[Tails]

Given the talk in the X v Y thread about Wade v Philippe, at what point do you consider Benny Mc over Philippe?

After last season, you would be hard pressed convincing me there’s a better bat in the comp.

Value seems to be the reason for most selections, so if spending up at WK is it crazy to consider spending up further?

Not many players back up previous seasons for mine (price wise) ... all of them are capable of big scores ..

 

[Professor]

Given the talk in the X v Y thread about Wade v Philippe, at what point do you consider Benny Mc over Philippe?

After last season, you would be hard pressed convincing me there’s a better bat in the comp.

Value seems to be the reason for most selections, so if spending up at WK is it crazy to consider spending up further?

McDermott will open, but no confirmation of who keeps per HoneyballBBL

 

[Darkie]

Given the talk in the X v Y thread about Wade v Philippe, at what point do you consider Benny Mc over Philippe?

After last season, you would be hard pressed convincing me there’s a better bat in the comp.

Value seems to be the reason for most selections, so if spending up at WK is it crazy to consider spending up further?

It’s a very high bar for him to match. He could do it, but Philippe is much more proven at the level he’s priced at, and his spot in the batting order is clearer. McDermott also has the weaker draw that Wade has.

Worth considering, but I reckon there are more attractive options given his price.

 

[Tails]

I've seen McDermott in the out field with that broad brimmed hat from memory ...

But that doesn't mean anything ...

 

[The Banker]

@Darkie @Professor @Tails

Thanks for the responses. This is a little bit of a thought process on why I would consider McDermott, if considering Philippe.

I'd argue you aren't picking McDermott for what he does behind the stumps (4 catches / 1 stumping). They are a bit of a cherry on top.
I do believe he did do a bit of out fielding last year with Wade taking the gloves. Philippe nabbed 5 stumpings last year (17 dismissals in total). To me that could be seen as a little above par, based upon the rest of the field.

You are picking either on the presumption they are going to make runs. I think the popularity here lies in taking Philippe because of his DGW in Rd 5. You could also isolate it to taking McDermott for 4 weeks, and tailoring a Rd 5 trade at Philippe if so desired. Maybe Philippe also doesn't make the cut in this instance.

Due to Short's lacklustre season compared to those previous, McDermott surely opens based upon the dominance he showed in the role last year. I'd struggle to see both Short and Wade dislodging him.

Once you start heading north of $150K the pressure is on to score. It is amplified in McDermott's case by his price going over the $200K barrier. But I think what brings him back to the field is he is in a much smaller bracket of competition. He won the WK slot with a game in hand due to exceptional batting in some instances. Without going back over every Hurricane scorecard, from memory he failed numerous times too. Similar to Philippe, although I do recall Philippe a little clearer due to getting off him at his highest price point as it went south around mid season.

In summary, I don't think people should be deterred going up to McDermott if they think he can put a cushion on Philippe (and others) in that opening 4 game stretch. Probably doesn't win the value game on the cheaper options, however the game is about points. I see much better value options in either of the other positions compared to WK, because there looks to be more of them. And I also think there are enough value options around to begin to make a nice side with McDermott

 

[Herbie66]

McDermott Scores BBL 11

127 , 110* , 93 , 67 , 55

41 , 38

18 , 11 , 8 , 5 , 3 , 0

 

[Tails]

McDermott Scores BBL 11

127 , 110* , 93 , 67 , 55

41 , 38

18 , 11 , 8 , 5 , 3 , 0

Not sure where you are getting those from ...