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Which of the more expensive players on a double do you have for round 1?

  • M Short

    Votes: 38 55.1%
  • R Khan

    Votes: 68 98.6%
  • Boult

    Votes: 23 33.3%
  • Sams

    Votes: 66 95.7%
  • J Sangha

    Votes: 16 23.2%
  • Thornton

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • Clarke

    Votes: 24 34.8%
  • Siddle

    Votes: 36 52.2%
  • Sandhu

    Votes: 5 7.2%
  • Doggett

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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I've been trying to solve the keeper issue with some old fashioned fixture analysis, and here is what I've come up with.

Firstly, couple of things:

1. A bit of this is inspired after reading @Diabolical's recap of last season, so credit there for any of the themes/concepts that pop up that sound familiar.
2. Full fixture is included but I'll mostly ignore the back end of the season as too much can change between now and then.
3. My goal is to spend as few trades as possible on keepers, as I feel there will be more benefit/need in having trades to manage the other 10 on field spots. Keepers are 1/11 spots on field so don't want to disproportionately allocate trades to that spot.
4. I've excluded Carey as not available early.

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From what I can see, there are 3 clear zones across the season:

1. Rounds 1 to 3 - Condensed period of DGR/Byes, but that is o***et by this zone having the benefit of starting teams being tailored to best manage it. The goal at the end of this round is to be positioned to have the best keeper choice for the start of the next zone in round 4. using last years averages, this is how players would score over those rounds:

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Based on that, it feels like the optimal keeper situation is to start Gilkes, and then in round 3 shift him to Billings. This provides 6 games of scoring from just 1 trade (or no trades if you start Billings), and Gilkes would have had the 2nd highest scoring at the end of round 2, and Billings has the highest scoring in round 3. Note: I've only done this least season average for this zone, as it was most useless for navigating the cluster of DGR/byes and showing the benefit of Gilkes x4 vs some other players x1 or x2. Also past performance is no indicator of future performance but it's useful in an indicative sense.

Round 1: Gilkes
Round 2: Gilkes
Round 3: Billings
Trades: 1
Score Involvements: 6 (max)

2. Rounds 4 to 8 - Key defining feature is 3 out of 5 SGRs, meaning the priority is to have the best players on field. Given there is 2x DGRs and no byes for SS, this is a really simple one - Billings to Philippe.

Round 4: Philippe
Round 5: Philippe:
Round 6: Philippe:
Round 7: Philippe
Round 8: Philippe
Trades: 1
Score Involvements: 7 (max)

3. Rounds 9 to 13 - Don't have a plan for here yet.. but there are a few options depending on player form/availability.

So in summary:

Round 1: Gilkes
Round 2: Gilkes
Round 3: Billings
Round 4: Philippe
Round 5: Philippe:
Round 6: Philippe:
Round 7: Philippe
Round 8: Philippe
Trades: 2
Score Involvements: 13 (max)

Means I can focus trades on bowl/bat lines as well as chasing B/E value, without neglecting the keeper position. Hopefully this helps people sort through some of the noise around this position - most will have different views but I found the season fixture view helpful in mapping out how to approach keeper strategy while minimising trades.
Elite analysis mate, really good stuff. Could you potentially start Billings? Use him as a loop for Gilkes and Rossouw round 1, then use him to get Inglis and Gilkes on round 2, round 3 DGR and then trade Phillipe?
 

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Elite analysis mate, really good stuff. Could you potentially start Billings? Use him as a loop for Gilkes and Rossouw round 1, then use him to get Inglis and Gilkes on round 2, round 3 DGR and then trade Phillipe?
Absolutely.. I actually weighed that up in pulling this together but ultimately decided that would be a decision that impacts the bat line and wanted to try and keep it tight to the on field keeper spot. That way things like cash decisions and all that don't muddy the waters.
If there was a way to start Billings that suited your team, you'd get the benefit of saving a trade without losing the max DGR benefits so worth it if the sacrifice isn't too bad. I just can't find enough cash in my team to make that work!
 
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Absolutely.. I actually weighed that up in pulling this together but ultimately decided that would be a decision that impacts the bat line and wanted to try and keep it tight to the on field keeper spot. That way things like cash decisions and all that don't muddy the waters.
If there was a way to start Billings that suited your team, you'd get the benefit of saving a trade without losing the max DGR benefits so worth it if the sacrifice isn't too bad. I just can't find enough cash in my team to make that work!
I have Wade/Shadab and Swepson in my side atm. Would only take Swepson down to like a 62k stars bat to make it happen but duno
 
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I have Wade/Shadab and Swepson in my side atm. Would only take Swepson down to like a 62k stars bat to make it happen but duno
I've played around with a few similar structures but the issue I keep having is too many non playing players in round 2. I keep seeming stuck with the $62.5k star plus Stoinis/Zampa and then with the BH player as well, it becomes an issue..
 
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I've played around with a few similar structures but the issue I keep having is too many non playing players in round 2. I keep seeming stuck with the $62.5k star plus Stoinis/Zampa and then with the BH player as well, it becomes an issue..
Really need a 62K or less player that is 1, not rubbish and 2, not from Stars or Heat, think people looping a extra Star make it hard for themselves next round.
 
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Very poor form imo
Thing with Sams is I've never rated him as a bowler, think he bowls pie for 80% of deliveries. HOWEVER, he bowls at the most optimum times where batters are forced to make mistakes in a chase and he is handy with the bat. Only needs 5-10 balls for an additional 20-30 points. Possibly has the best job for SC in the whole comp.
 
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Thing with Sams is I've never rated him as a bowler, think he bowls pie for 80% of deliveries. HOWEVER, he bowls at the most optimum times where batters are forced to make mistakes in a chase and he is handy with the bat. Only needs 5-10 balls for an additional 20-30 points. Possibly has the best job for SC in the whole comp.
Haha, yes I agree about Sams. It was the Thunder my comment was towards.

CA want to grow the game. IMO play the practice games on Cricket.com.au.
Although, most are good, make every team release team sheets of 13, 24 hours prior.

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Thing with Sams is I've never rated him as a bowler, think he bowls pie for 80% of deliveries. HOWEVER, he bowls at the most optimum times where batters are forced to make mistakes in a chase and he is handy with the bat. Only needs 5-10 balls for an additional 20-30 points. Possibly has the best job for SC in the whole comp.
Totally agree with this, Ive never rated his bowling much at all, pretty much gifted wickets bowling one of the last 2 overs in this format.
 
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This is just a tweet summarising their entire squad. Not their actual squad for tomorrows game.

One thing I am trying to recall as to whether it’s still a thing now post-covid, to LRPs have to be named in the next match day squad of 13 after they are signed? Or has that little quirk been scrapped?
Is tanveer sangha still recovering n not likely to play?
 
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