BBL|12: Combined SCS Team

[Ironhawk]

Was just having a quick look at Round 3

We will have 5 x ST (Bye) + Connolly to try and fit on the benches so will need to trade out 2 x ST.

One key decision is whether we try and keep (or trade) Sams.

Gilkes will probably be of no value to trade.

The Heat players we trade in probably then get traded out in Round 4 for MR/SS.

Need to be mindful we will have Rashid , Shadab & Short on the Bye Round 5 (whether we plan to bench/trade the 2 x AS I have no idea)

Neser & Renshaw availability is still not clear

Few options I think we should consider :-

Green - > Swepson or Kuhnemann
Farooqi - > Steketee or Bazley or one from above
Hales - > Renshaw or Neser

Munro & Billings probably out of reach

Not sure it will be building the bank too much , so then it comes down to what MR/SS we are planning for DGR 5 (fortunately have Hosein) and how much $ we need to get them.

Round 4 - Trade out our 3 BH - > ? , ? , ?
Round 5 - Are we trading Rashid & Short + 1 - > ? , ? , ?

I guess the option to increase the Bank is to use a Boost and trade out Sams (or Agar & Tye)

If we did then bring in a 4th BH player , that would probably mean that Swepson or Kuhnemann selection would stay as Bowl 6 and wouldn't be traded out in Round 4.

Anyway just a few thoughts , trying to sort out what sort of direction we are looking to head over the next few rounds.

I think it's a near certainty we boost for Rd 3, as you have said, getting a bit of cash will be needed and we will have to sacrifice one of our higher priced players somewhere. Not sure who that is yet, performances this round will help decide. Looking ahead, the trade in options for Rd 5 seem like they may be a bit cheaper overall than Rd 3 at least.

Too early to say for sure who else goes either until at least after this next match, but I think Green and Hales are very likely to get the axe. If Farooqi keeps bowling like he has so far, think he's a keeper, but he is probably the next most likely due to his bye.

Trade ins will depend on how much cash we end up with by the look of it this round. Player uncertainty doesn't help.

Appreciate the early trade thoughts though. Will definitely consider it all.

 

[Darkie]

I think the ideas above look pretty good. A few thoughts:

- We can play the BE game where there isn’t a high priority/strong preference between two DGR players. Eg for the Heat, I have Steketee down as a c. 55 average player historically (obviously we need to consider current role, form and fixture), then 8 players all listed at 45 or 40ppg (some with a little upside or downside risk). It’s so even that we can likely get the cheaper/lower BE one in, sacrifice anywhere from 10 (=5x2 games) or even 0 points, and conserve and/or make cash that way.

- For what it’s worth, the DGR priorities I have penciled in for my own team - ie those that have some separation above the pack of alternatives on their double - are Steketee, Neser in current form if playing, KRicho, Mujeeb, Abbott, Philippe, Dwarsh (just rested?). Mujeeb is already cheap, and Philippe is falling, so that’s good. The Sixers generally have underwhelmed, which will make them a bit cheaper.

- Personally my preference is to accumulate a good core of high quality players who generally are all rounders (who have two ways to score, and positional flexibility). We probably aren’t going to have 9+ DGR players for quite a while after R2, so we’ll be fielding a number of SGR players, who we probably want to be really high scorers, ideally with DPP. To me Sams, Short and Shadab fit this category, which is a reason why I’ve prioritized them for my own side. Rashid would if he was batting higher and awarded DPP (which is now possible in BBL!). Equally, having 3-4 of these players already is a lot. If I/we can get away with it without compromising our DGR ins, that’s great - but if we need to sacrifice one or a couple, that is fine and as expected as I see it.

- As I wrote yesterday, I do think it’s better to have your ins drive your outs, most of the time, rather than the reverse.

Maybe a reasonable approach would be to figure out (1) who are our top priority trade ins for R3 and the R5 double (not six for R5, but the ones we really don’t want to go without, those who are clearly a level above the next alternative), and then (2) try to use that as a base to work backwards?

 

[Woosie]

Top trade in possibilities RD3 (BE)

Steketee 131
Neser 73
Swepson 38
Renshaw 93
Bazley 17
Kuhnamann -33
Billings 73
Munro 56
Pierson -2
Brown 12

 

[Herbie66]

Top trade in possibilities RD3 (BE)

Steketee 131
Neser 73
Swepson 38
Renshaw 93
Bazley 17
Kuhnamann -33
Billings 73
Munro 56
Pierson -2
Brown 12

What's your recommendations based purely on BE's ?

My thinking the ones we trade in get moved on the following round in any case to MR/SS

Sixers become a completely different team back at home , hopefully they have settled their bowling lineup by Round 5.

Abbott & Philippe probably 2 to look at.

 

[Woosie]

What's your recommendations based purely on BE's ?

My thinking the ones we trade in get moved on the following round in any case to MR/SS

Sixers become a completely different team back at home , hopefully they have settled their bowling lineup by Round 5.

Abbott & Philippe probably 2 to look at.

I've noticed on the SC app the BE's change for Heat between RD2 and RD3 even though they have a bye RD2.

an example
Kuhnemann RD2 BE is -33, but for RD3 it's -3
Bazley RD2 BE is 17. but for RD3 it's 71

I'm not sure how that works

Peirson -2 and 26
Brown 12, 27
Steketee 71, 131 (i had put RD3 above)

So I'm not sure. I'll Tails.

 

[Diabolical]

I've noticed on the SC app the BE's change for Heat between RD2 and RD3 even though they have a bye RD2.

an example
Kuhnemann RD2 BE is -33, but for RD3 it's -3
Bazley RD2 BE is 17. but for RD3 it's 71

I'm not sure how that works

Peirson -2 and 26
Brown 12, 27
Steketee 71, 131 (i had put RD3 above)

So I'm not sure. I'll Tails.

R3 breakevens are factoring in that they have a DGR.

 

[Woosie]

R3 breakevens are factoring in that they have a DGR.

On that note, I'll take

Kuhnemann
Steketee
Bazley

then
Neser if released
Swepson
Renshaw

Edit: Heat vs Strikers @ Gabba Fri 23rd

 

[Darkie]

I've noticed on the SC app the BE's change for Heat between RD2 and RD3 even though they have a bye RD2.

an example
Kuhnemann RD2 BE is -33, but for RD3 it's -3
Bazley RD2 BE is 17. but for RD3 it's 71

I'm not sure how that works

Peirson -2 and 26
Brown 12, 27
Steketee 71, 131 (i had put RD3 above)

So I'm not sure. I'll Tails.

Good point. I think the current BEs assume an SGR (as normal - even though they have a bye), and the R3 ones account for the DGR.

Most of those BEs seem to rise by what the player is priced to score, which makes sense.

 

[Ironhawk]

Does anyone think we should field Gilkes or do we go with Shadab instead? Think it's pretty clear.

Not great from Hales again either, but we are stuck with him now.

 

[Darkie]

Does anyone think we should field Gilkes or do we go with Shadab instead? Think it's pretty clear.

Not great from Hales again either, but we are stuck with him now.

Let’s see if Gilkes gets bailed out by fielding points like Nielsen did, but I suspect you’re right.

 

[Ironhawk]

1/480 so far. 9 SI, so 53.33 per SI. Not great compared to a lot of scores out there, but reasonably consistent.

Farooqi the only real failure so far with 13. Inglis, Hales and Green all in the 30-40 range. The other 4 made the 55 or more that we want.

Not counting the 13 from Gilkes in that score. I'd expect nobody wants to field him based on his 23 from 3 matches.

 

[Herbie66]

I think the ideas above look pretty good. A few thoughts:

- We can play the BE game where there isn’t a high priority/strong preference between two DGR players. Eg for the Heat, I have Steketee down as a c. 55 average player historically (obviously we need to consider current role, form and fixture), then 8 players all listed at 45 or 40ppg (some with a little upside or downside risk). It’s so even that we can likely get the cheaper/lower BE one in, sacrifice anywhere from 10 (=5x2 games) or even 0 points, and conserve and/or make cash that way.

- For what it’s worth, the DGR priorities I have penciled in for my own team - ie those that have some separation above the pack of alternatives on their double - are Steketee, Neser in current form if playing, KRicho, Mujeeb, Abbott, Philippe, Dwarsh (just rested?). Mujeeb is already cheap, and Philippe is falling, so that’s good. The Sixers generally have underwhelmed, which will make them a bit cheaper.

- Personally my preference is to accumulate a good core of high quality players who generally are all rounders (who have two ways to score, and positional flexibility). We probably aren’t going to have 9+ DGR players for quite a while after R2, so we’ll be fielding a number of SGR players, who we probably want to be really high scorers, ideally with DPP. To me Sams, Short and Shadab fit this category, which is a reason why I’ve prioritized them for my own side. Rashid would if he was batting higher and awarded DPP (which is now possible in BBL!). Equally, having 3-4 of these players already is a lot. If I/we can get away with it without compromising our DGR ins, that’s great - but if we need to sacrifice one or a couple, that is fine and as expected as I see it.

- As I wrote yesterday, I do think it’s better to have your ins drive your outs, most of the time, rather than the reverse.

Maybe a reasonable approach would be to figure out (1) who are our top priority trade ins for R3 and the R5 double (not six for R5, but the ones we really don’t want to go without, those who are clearly a level above the next alternative), and then (2) try to use that as a base to work backwards?

If we trade out :-

Round 3: 3 x ST - > 3 x BH
Round 4: 3 x BH - > 3 MR/SS
Round 5: Rashid & Short + 1 - > 3 x MR/SS (assuming Abbott & Richardson are pencilled in here)

We are probably looking at this stage for Round 5

Inglis / Handscomb

Sams * , Agar * , Stoinis * / Gilkes , SHADAB KHAN (Bye) *

Tye , Hosein / Zampa , Connolly *

So any 1 of Inglis , Sams , Agar , Stoinis , Shadab , Tye , Zampa could theoretically be used for the 6th MR/SS (not factoring in boosts)

Hopefully once we finalise Round 3 trades we can get a short list of what other MR/SS players we want for their DGR 5 and get some sort of direction on where we are heading.

 

[Darkie]

If we trade out :-

Round 3: 3 x ST - > 3 x BH
Round 4: 3 x BH - > 3 MR/SS
Round 5: Rashid & Short + 1 - > 3 x MR/SS (assuming Abbott & Richardson are pencilled in here)

We are probably looking at this stage for Round 5

Inglis / Handscomb

Sams * , Agar * , Stoinis * / Gilkes , SHADAB KHAN (Bye) *

Tye , Hosein / Zampa , Connolly *

So any 1 of Inglis , Sams , Agar , Stoinis , Shadab , Tye , Zampa could theoretically be used for the 6th MR/SS (not factoring in boosts)

Hopefully once we finalise Round 3 trades we can get a short list of what other MR/SS players we want for their DGR 5 and get some sort of direction on where we are heading.

Thanks Herbie, this looks good to me.

For what it’s worth, below was my pre-season take on MR/SS for their double (based on c. last 3 years’ averages - so they may need to be adjusted for changes in role, form, composition of sides etc).

Key changes since then could include Sixers being weaker than expected, Renegades possibly being better, and SOK/Dwarsh missing games.

My suggested priorities would be Abbott, Philippe and K Richo, choosing from the other 45-50 types based primarily on price, BE,
role and form. Those 3 targets, and quite a few others, have underperformed their starting prices so far (Finch and Maddinson notable exceptions), which will help us a little.


Notes from preseason (historical average tiering):

MR KRicho 55+ Mujeeb 50 value Guptill 50?? check form Finch 45- (DreRuss 40++? but unavailable) Rogers 45?? dear? Maddo 40+ Wells 40+ Marsh 40+ Harper 40

SS Abbott 70 Philippe 55 Dwarsh 55 SOK 50?? Christian 50+ Kerr 45+? Henriques 45 Jordan 40++ Vince 40- Patterson 30?+?

Priorities
Abbott KRicho Philippe Dwarsh Mujeeb + 50 types
Ie R5 better/deeper than most others, Sixers play Ren twice (easy draw)

 

[Herbie66]

Thanks Herbie, this looks good to me.

For what it’s worth, below was my pre-season take on MR/SS for their double (based on c. last 3 years’ averages - so they may need to be adjusted for changes in role, form, composition of sides etc).

Key changes since then could include Sixers being weaker than expected, Renegades possibly being better, and SOK/Dwarsh missing games.

My suggested priorities would be Abbott, Philippe and K Richo, choosing from the other 45-50 types based primarily on price, BE,
role and form. Those 3 targets, and quite a few others, have underperformed their starting prices so far (Finch and Maddinson notable exceptions), which will help us a little.


Notes from preseason (historical average tiering):

MR KRicho 55+ Mujeeb 50 value Guptill 50?? check form Finch 45- (DreRuss 40++? but unavailable) Rogers 45?? dear? Maddo 40+ Wells 40+ Marsh 40+ Harper 40

SS Abbott 70 Philippe 55 Dwarsh 55 SOK 50?? Christian 50+ Kerr 45+? Henriques 45 Jordan 40++ Vince 40- Patterson 30?+?

Priorities
Abbott KRicho Philippe Dwarsh Mujeeb + 50 types
Ie R5 better/deeper than most others, Sixers play Ren twice (easy draw)

Thanks for sharing your preseason notes , interesting to see.

Think at the start of the season , I had pencilled in :-

MR - Hosein , Mujeeb , Richardson
SS - Abbott , Dwarshuis , Philippe

Vince was my "cheapie" SS if I needed one , Maddinson was my MR "smokey"

2 games in , a lot has changed already , that SS bowling lineup could rotate every game

 

[Young gun]

Thanks Herbie, this looks good to me.

For what it’s worth, below was my pre-season take on MR/SS for their double (based on c. last 3 years’ averages - so they may need to be adjusted for changes in role, form, composition of sides etc).

Key changes since then could include Sixers being weaker than expected, Renegades possibly being better, and SOK/Dwarsh missing games.

My suggested priorities would be Abbott, Philippe and K Richo, choosing from the other 45-50 types based primarily on price, BE,
role and form. Those 3 targets, and quite a few others, have underperformed their starting prices so far (Finch and Maddinson notable exceptions), which will help us a little.


Notes from preseason (historical average tiering):

MR KRicho 55+ Mujeeb 50 value Guptill 50?? check form Finch 45- (DreRuss 40++? but unavailable) Rogers 45?? dear? Maddo 40+ Wells 40+ Marsh 40+ Harper 40

SS Abbott 70 Philippe 55 Dwarsh 55 SOK 50?? Christian 50+ Kerr 45+? Henriques 45 Jordan 40++ Vince 40- Patterson 30?+?

Priorities
Abbott KRicho Philippe Dwarsh Mujeeb + 50 types
Ie R5 better/deeper than most others, Sixers play Ren twice (easy draw)

I think the biggest difference for me is that the Sixers and Gades are more evenly matched than last season so the easy draw for Sixers might not be as true

 

[Ironhawk]

Agree with a lot of the above. Trades are very likely going to be 3 Thunder (Hales, Green, Farooqi) to 3 Heat (TBC) this week. Likely won't have enough cash for the players we want and will need to downgrade someone else as well, using up a boost.

Should be potential for a low-mid priced Renegade or 6er as that downgrade, but not sure yet.

 

[Woosie]

@Ironhawk

Any chance when posting for the first time in each page you can put the team up. It just saves flicking back a page.

 

[Woosie]

Thanks for sharing your preseason notes , interesting to see.

Think at the start of the season , I had pencilled in :-

MR - Hosein , Mujeeb , Richardson
SS - Abbott , Dwarshuis , Philippe

Vince was my "cheapie" SS if I needed one , Maddinson was my MR "smokey"

2 games in , a lot has changed already , that SS bowling lineup could rotate every game

I like Kerr

 

[Ironhawk]

@Ironhawk

Any chance when posting for the first time in each page you can put the team up. It just saves flicking back a page.

I was getting people from the leadership group to update post #2 (it's a bit behind now), but I can do this too.

 

[Herbie66]

Agree with a lot of the above. Trades are very likely going to be 3 Thunder (Hales, Green, Farooqi) to 3 Heat (TBC) this week. Likely won't have enough cash for the players we want and will need to downgrade someone else as well, using up a boost.

Should be potential for a low-mid priced Renegade or 6er as that downgrade, but not sure yet.

Agar probably becomes the "boost" trade to build the bank and get the desired Heat

Agar - > Naveed (head start for Round 5)
Farooqi - > Heat eg Steketee
Green - > Heat eg Swepson
Hales - > Heat

Flow on effect is the 3 Heat then get traded to 3 x MR/SS for Round 4