BBL|12: Combined SCS Team

[Darkie]

I think we need to decide on :-

Stoinis - > ?
Wade - > ?

And set up something like this

PHILIPPE / McDermott (E)

Clarke , Inglis , Lynn , ? , + 1 / Connolly *, Handscomb , KERR *

Missing 1 playing at this stage

ABBOTT , A Agar * , M Short * , Tye , ? / Ellis (E) , Mujeeb

Then depends on what Ellis & McDermott score as to which one we take and the other 2 players we trade out

No idea for a VC/C

This looks pretty good to me.

It seems we may be keen to keep Wade (I am too - he’s the #3 keeper behind Inglis and Bancroft, and has another double to come). How do you think we should set up if that’s the case?

Stoinis => Webster seems fairly straightforward to me based on the poll results.

I can’t see a strong reason to keep Ellis. The loop is nice this round, but I doubt he puts up a compelling score versus a DGR player. Unless someone disagrees with that, we would need to trade him tonight too.

I have a pretty similar setup, and am grappling with how to best set up the keeper line and bat E positions. The fact I would ideally like to trade Philippe is feeding into it! I have him WK1, McD WK E and Wade as BAT7.

Short would be hard to go past for ceiling. I’d be inclined to VC him and take our preferred Scorcher option (maybe Tye, Hardie or Inglis?) as C if required. Webster/Clarke into Short could be an option, but Short just scored 173 in a single!

 

[Ironhawk]

My take on trades: think "would I pick this player to come into the side if it was a single game round?" (like the next few are). I am not sure I would pick Webster personally (or any Stars player), I don't see that his role has changed much at all with Stoinis out, and he hasn't really been putting up great numbers lately - 10, 25, 48, 30 in the last four matches. I really don't see why so many want to pick him (around 60%). I'll go with the popular options tonight, but that one surprises me a bit. I will admit, I am not great at SC, so there's probably something I am missing...

 

[mike89]

My take on trades: think "would I pick this player to come into the side if it was a single game round?" (like the next few are). I am not sure I would pick Webster personally (or any Stars player), I don't see that his role has changed much at all with Stoinis out, and he hasn't really been putting up great numbers lately - 10, 25, 48, 30 in the last four matches. I really don't see why so many want to pick him (around 60%). I'll go with the popular options tonight, but that one surprises me a bit. I will admit, I am not great at SC, so there's probably something I am missing...

No, I agree, I'm not going anywhere near Webster this round. Will probably get burned but that's fine.

The main consideration I have is whether we actually feel like pitches have changed so significantly that batters feel like the safe option. Current trades suggest we're taking four top 4 bats (!) and we're holding five already!

 

[Chumpion]

Finally have some time to sink into this a little! My first thoughts are, I think we should try and hold Wade, Kerr and Abbott.

Wade - HH are one of the few teams left with a DGR and it can't hurt to keep him stashed.
Kerr/Abbott - still great roles and with 2 SGRs coming up I think they will be super useful to have those weeks.

With that in mind, I have the tam currently structured up as:

Keepers: CLARKE, (Wade)
Bat: INGLIS, LYNN, McD, Trade #1, Trade #2 (Kerr, TBC#1)
Bowl: SHORT, TYE, AGAR, Trade #3, Trade #4 (CONNOLLY, Abbott)

TBC #1 needs to be someone we hold out of: Handscomb, Philippe, Ellis, Stoinis, Mujeeb.

Couple of things that stand out to me are:

1. Connolly is a potential DGR but no guarantee to play both or score well.
2. Looking at venues, it feels like MS/AS will favour bat and PS will favour ball.
3. We can probably only loop 1 position, depending on who we keep (if we keep Ellis, we can do 2).

My gut feel is people are going to roll out of this DGR with some very weak SGR teams, particularly if they are stacked with MS and HH players still, not to mention the wrong AS or PS players. In round 10, PS pay at the SCG (too many PS pace bowlers could be a risk?), while the other 3 games are at AO, Marvel (seem to favour bat) and Blundstone (bit more of a balance and is HH vs ST).

So with all this running through my head, I actually think we use our 4th trade to strengthen our SGR position. We've seen already that a SGR guy can outscore a double, and DGR doesn't always equal great scores. So an alternative name I'd like to throw up is.... Sams.

My thinking is, if we keep Ellis (don't love it, form is horrible, but does average 56.5 at Blundstone), we can structure up like this:

Keepers: CLARKE, (Wade)
Bat: INGLIS, LYNN, McD, Sams, Trade #2 (Kerr, CONNOLLY)
Bowl: SHORT, TYE, AGAR, Trade #3, Trade #4 (Abbott, Ellis)

Because both PS games are before the ST, we can loop Connolly with Sams, meaning we can float Sams vs the best score of Connolly/Ellis and play DGR players in the other 3 trade in spots. We have enough DPP that we should be able to fit our preferred 3 into any spot, plus this gives us a bonus going into the back to back SGR weeks as Sams is a good one to have for those given he is dual threat. I know scoring hasn't been great, but the role is still there and can see him hitting form soon!

9 DGR players, McD and the best score of Ellis/Connolly/Sams.

 

[Herbie66]

This looks pretty good to me.

It seems we may be keen to keep Wade (I am too - he’s the #3 keeper behind Inglis and Bancroft, and has another double to come). How do you think we should set up if that’s the case?

Stoinis => Webster seems fairly straightforward to me based on the poll results.

I can’t see a strong reason to keep Ellis. The loop is nice this round, but I doubt he puts up a compelling score versus a DGR player. Unless someone disagrees with that, we would need to trade him tonight too.

I have a pretty similar setup, and am grappling with how to best set up the keeper line and bat E positions. The fact I would ideally like to trade Philippe is feeding into it! I have him WK1, McD WK E and Wade as BAT7.

Short would be hard to go past for ceiling. I’d be inclined to VC him and take our preferred Scorcher option (maybe Tye, Hardie or Inglis?) as C if required. Webster/Clarke into Short could be an option, but Short just scored 173 in a single!

Unless I have completely miscalculated we can only get 10 DGR players so Ellis (or McDermott) essentially is our 11th player for the round so we are comparing them against each other.

Holding Ellis (agree he has been underwhelming) gives us some sort of flexibility to look at 2 scores.

If he did score OK , "saves" us from having to deal with Abbott & Mujeeb this round as well

After the last 2 games , Abbott looks like a hold (to me).

I guess if we keep him he would need to be Bat 7 , unless we trust McDermott enough to field him @ WK1 and put Wade @ WK 2.

We then probably have 2 of Connolly , Handscomb , Kerr & Philippe to move out from bat bench so might come down to available $ as to who we want and move on.

Anyway probably a lot better ways to set-up.

 

[Herbie66]

Was after midnight when I was looking so maybe I counted wrong

BYE - Abbott , Kerr , Philippe
OUT - Stoinis & Wade
🛫 - Mujeeb
Extremely Doubtful to play - Handscomb

AS - Lynn , Short
MS - Clarke
PS - Agar , Connolly (maybe holds his spot over Hobson) , Inglis , Tye

Most likely 10 DGR players (excluding Connolly)

HH - Ellis , McDermott (1 becomes our 11th player for the round , unless Connolly holds his spot)

4 trade outs probably need to come from the top 8 players mentioned

 

[Shaunpro1]

Sams has a BE of 160 and comes up against Perth who he has a pretty average record against, Id be taking the extra double, good opportunity to take advantage as most people arent going to be able to bat that deep.

 

[Chumpion]

Was after midnight when I was looking so maybe I counted wrong

BYE - Abbott , Kerr , Philippe
OUT - Stoinis & Wade
🛫 - Mujeeb
Extremely Doubtful to play - Handscomb

AS - Lynn , Short
MS - Clarke
PS - Agar , Connolly (maybe holds his spot over Hobson) , Inglis , Tye

Most likely 10 DGR players (excluding Connolly)

HH - Ellis , McDermott (1 becomes our 11th player for the round , unless Connolly holds his spot)

4 trade outs probably need to come from the top 8 players mentioned

Yep, I would vote we trade Stoinis, Mujeeb, Philippe and Handscomb.

 

[Young gun]

Finally have some time to sink into this a little! My first thoughts are, I think we should try and hold Wade, Kerr and Abbott.

Wade - HH are one of the few teams left with a DGR and it can't hurt to keep him stashed.
Kerr/Abbott - still great roles and with 2 SGRs coming up I think they will be super useful to have those weeks.

With that in mind, I have the tam currently structured up as:

Keepers: CLARKE, (Wade)
Bat: INGLIS, LYNN, McD, Trade #1, Trade #2 (Kerr, TBC#1)
Bowl: SHORT, TYE, AGAR, Trade #3, Trade #4 (CONNOLLY, Abbott)

TBC #1 needs to be someone we hold out of: Handscomb, Philippe, Ellis, Stoinis, Mujeeb.

Couple of things that stand out to me are:

1. Connolly is a potential DGR but no guarantee to play both or score well.
2. Looking at venues, it feels like MS/AS will favour bat and PS will favour ball.
3. We can probably only loop 1 position, depending on who we keep (if we keep Ellis, we can do 2).

My gut feel is people are going to roll out of this DGR with some very weak SGR teams, particularly if they are stacked with MS and HH players still, not to mention the wrong AS or PS players. In round 10, PS pay at the SCG (too many PS pace bowlers could be a risk?), while the other 3 games are at AO, Marvel (seem to favour bat) and Blundstone (bit more of a balance and is HH vs ST).

So with all this running through my head, I actually think we use our 4th trade to strengthen our SGR position. We've seen already that a SGR guy can outscore a double, and DGR doesn't always equal great scores. So an alternative name I'd like to throw up is.... Sams.

My thinking is, if we keep Ellis (don't love it, form is horrible, but does average 56.5 at Blundstone), we can structure up like this:

Keepers: CLARKE, (Wade)
Bat: INGLIS, LYNN, McD, Sams, Trade #2 (Kerr, CONNOLLY)
Bowl: SHORT, TYE, AGAR, Trade #3, Trade #4 (Abbott, Ellis)

Because both PS games are before the ST, we can loop Connolly with Sams, meaning we can float Sams vs the best score of Connolly/Ellis and play DGR players in the other 3 trade in spots. We have enough DPP that we should be able to fit our preferred 3 into any spot, plus this gives us a bonus going into the back to back SGR weeks as Sams is a good one to have for those given he is dual threat. I know scoring hasn't been great, but the role is still there and can see him hitting form soon!

9 DGR players, McD and the best score of Ellis/Connolly/Sams.

If we can afford Marnus/T Rogers(Gades)/Khawaja over Sams would prefer that. I also think we should go in with the mindset that Connolly is a non scorer because if he plays highly doubt he gets much

 

[Chumpion]

Sams has a BE of 160 and comes up against Perth who he has a pretty average record against, Id be taking the extra double, good opportunity to take advantage as most people arent going to be able to bat that deep.

He does average 73.3 as Showground Stadium (including last nights poor score) from 13 games with a tops core of 149.

It looks like most of the time he has played the Scorchers it has been at Manuka or or OS.

 

[Herbie66]

Yep, I would vote we trade Stoinis, Mujeeb, Philippe and Handscomb.

Just read through your suggestions.

If that's the way to "hide" Wade at WK2 and just play McDermott onfield , Handscomb & Philippe both need to go.

Have 8 players to trade out , so depends who we want to keep going forward.

I guess trading out Handscomb though means WK2 becomes one of Carey , Clarke , Inglis , McDermott , Wade so are we factoring in a trade to bring in another "dead" WK ?

 

[Herbie66]

I guess the other thing is being ranked 26th , how high do we want to finish and if/when we need to start looking at "different" players to those teams ranked above.

I certainly have no idea how to approach that.

 

[Chumpion]

Just read through your suggestions.

If that's the way to "hide" Wade at WK2 and just play McDermott onfield , Handscomb & Philippe both need to go.

Have 8 players to trade out , so depends who we want to keep going forward.

I guess trading out Handscomb though means WK2 becomes one of Carey , Clarke , Inglis , McDermott , Wade so are we factoring in a trade to bring in another "dead" WK ?

Carey/Clarke play before Holt in round 10, so my approach would be to plonk one of them at WK 2 with the E, and then see how he goes. IF he scores well, we trade one of our WKs to Holt and open up that loop. If they score badly, we play a more favourable option in WK1 and wait for the following round.

 

[Herbie66]

Carey/Clarke play before Holt in round 10, so my approach would be to plonk one of them at WK 2 with the E, and then see how he goes. IF he scores well, we trade one of our WKs to Holt and open up that loop. If they score badly, we play a more favourable option in WK1 and wait for the following round.

I do like people that look ahead when proposing ideas.

If we are deciding to keep both Ellis & Wade then , it might just be a case of trading Stoinis before tonight's game and if we don't want a Star player , to anyone really and trade adjust later.

And if we play McDermott outright onfield or have a look at his score

Just need to set up the HH & MS players on the most beneficial lines.

 

[mike89]

Personally I'm viewing the WK loop as absolute gold dust in the singles. I'd be surprised if we wanted to give that up.

 

[Chumpion]

I do like people that look ahead when proposing ideas.

If we are deciding to keep both Ellis & Wade then , it might just be a case of trading Stoinis before tonight's game and if we don't want a Star player , to anyone really and trade adjust later.

And if we play McDermott outright onfield or have a look at his score

Just need to set up the HH & MS players on the most beneficial lines.

Agreed - getting the structure for tonight right will give us some extra time to settle on the final trades.

Probably the 2 key decisions are:

1. Do we play McD straight on field or go for a loop

2. Do we go with a Stars VC, or VS Short into a PS player

One thing we need to not lose sight of is we need an emergency score to activate the VC loophole, so if we do put McD and Ellis on the bench to look at their scores we are locked into taking one of them if we want to lock a VC score.

 

[Chumpion]

Personally I'm viewing the WK loop as absolute gold dust in the singles. I'd be surprised if we wanted to give that up.

I think we can have it both ways, as we can have a look at a WK score via Clarke (or Carey if we trade him in) and then trade in Holt next round if we want to lock that score. If we don't, we can kick the can to the following round and run a similar set up.

If we want to use Handscomb as our WK loop, we can only do a loop in round 10 if we trade in Carey this round. Otherwise the Renegades will play before any of our other keepers.

 

[Herbie66]

Agreed - getting the structure for tonight right will give us some extra time to settle on the final trades.

Probably the 2 key decisions are:

1. Do we play McD straight on field or go for a loop

2. Do we go with a Stars VC, or VS Short into a PS player

One thing we need to not lose sight of is we need an emergency score to activate the VC loophole, so if we do put McD and Ellis on the bench to look at their scores we are locked into taking one of them if we want to lock a VC score.

I must have woken up and lost my ability to count overnight.

If we only have 10 X DGR players in any case , don't we have to take one of Ellis/McDermott scores as our 11th player , hence why I thought it would be better to have them both as Emergencies and take the better score

If we essentially only have Clarke onfield tonight (and are trading out Stoinis) we should be able to set up a donut player correctly.

Renegades v Strikers play tomorrow night so hopefully we can work that out after tonight's game

 

[Herbie66]

My take on trades: think "would I pick this player to come into the side if it was a single game round?" (like the next few are). I am not sure I would pick Webster personally (or any Stars player), I don't see that his role has changed much at all with Stoinis out, and he hasn't really been putting up great numbers lately - 10, 25, 48, 30 in the last four matches. I really don't see why so many want to pick him (around 60%). I'll go with the popular options tonight, but that one surprises me a bit. I will admit, I am not great at SC, so there's probably something I am missing...

Could be as simple as he is a in and out trade.

Preferred DGR player with the view of trading him out the following round.

Scorcher players have the extra appeal of a additional DGR (Round 12)

The likes of Carey & Head are probably viewed as season long keepers from this point on.

 

[Chumpion]

I must have woken up and lost my ability to count overnight.

If we only have 10 X DGR players in any case , don't we have to take one of Ellis/McDermott scores as our 11th player , hence why I thought it would be better to have them both as Emergencies and take the better score

If we essentially only have Clarke onfield tonight (and are trading out Stoinis) we should be able to set up a donut player correctly.

Renegades v Strikers play tomorrow night so hopefully we can work that out after tonight's game

I guess it depends on whether we want to completely discount Connolly, or keep the option open for him to be a DGR player if named. But you're right, if we strike a line through Connolly and commit to him not being involved, we need to field 1 of Ellis/McD in which case it makes sense to have them both as the E so we can take the better of their scores.

God I never realised how much easier it is when you can move the players in your own team vs doing it from a distance!

Keepers: CLARKE, (Wade)
Bat: INGLIS, LYNN, Kerr, Trade #1, Trade #2 (McD, CONNOLLY)
Bowl: SHORT, TYE, AGAR, Trade #3, Trade #4 (Abbott, Ellis)

Kerr swings to either Bat or Bowl depending on whether we take Ellis or McD. Means our 4 trade ins don't impact that loop so we can focus on them separately to this structural set up being locked in.

If we trade Handscomb, Philippe, Stoinis, and Mujeeb, + add in our bank, we have $635,000 to spend.

Head, Hardie, Webster (top 3 in the poll) cost $390,200.

So we have $244,800 in the bank for a 4th trade, and with so many DPP players it can effectively be anyone.

We can afford Marnus, or T.Rogers if we want to add them into the mix of SGR trade in options. Given the Heat have a double upcoming, Marnus could be a good one to trade in and stash. Or we can go an additional DGR player to boost this round up.

If we can get group consensus on the above structure and trade outs, we can theoretically trade Mujeeb, Stoinis and Handscomb to 3 SS, meaning they can't get locked out and maintain max flexibility while we position players across the round for the trade ins? That way our 4 trade outs are all "on the bye" until we make each move.