BBL|12: Combined SCS Team

[Herbie66]

I guess it depends on whether we want to completely discount Connolly, or keep the option open for him to be a DGR player if named. But you're right, if we strike a line through Connolly and commit to him not being involved, we need to field 1 of Ellis/McD in which case it makes sense to have them both as the E so we can take the better of their scores.

God I never realised how much easier it is when you can move the players in your own team vs doing it from a distance!

Keepers: CLARKE, (Wade)
Bat: INGLIS, LYNN, Kerr, Trade #1, Trade #2 (McD, CONNOLLY)
Bowl: SHORT, TYE, AGAR, Trade #3, Trade #4 (Abbott, Ellis)

Kerr swings to either Bat or Bowl depending on whether we take Ellis or McD. Means our 4 trade ins don't impact that loop so we can focus on them separately to this structural set up being locked in.

If we trade Handscomb, Philippe, Stoinis, and Mujeeb, + add in our bank, we have $635,000 to spend.

Head, Hardie, Webster (top 3 in the poll) cost $390,200.

So we have $244,800 in the bank for a 4th trade, and with so many DPP players it can effectively be anyone.

We can afford Marnus, or T.Rogers if we want to add them into the mix of SGR trade in options. Given the Heat have a double upcoming, Marnus could be a good one to trade in and stash. Or we can go an additional DGR player to boost this round up.

If we can get group consensus on the above structure and trade outs, we can theoretically trade Mujeeb, Stoinis and Handscomb to 3 SS, meaning they can't get locked out and maintain max flexibility while we position players across the round for the trade ins? That way our 4 trade outs are all "on the bye" until we make each move.

hahaha much easier with full control of our own teams , after the round completes , can spend time trading players in and out , moving them around etc etc.

With this one , not knowing who we are trading in and out , the exercise book gets a workout with all the Bat/WK and DPP's links going everywhere

I guess with Connolly I am discounting him too early , quite possibly Agar comes in for Hobson and they give Connolly a few games at this level.

Like that setup and options , very well explained.

 

[mike89]

Can we give ourselves the additional option with Connolly? Just to see if he plays a game or two and will score okay?

In that setup McDermott would be WK2, with Inglis the option to go up if he fails. Connolly Bat E, Ellis Bowl E.

I suppose you'd probably have to trade both Wade and Handscomb and hold Philippe for it to work though...

 

[Professor]

@Ironhawk are you doing this with your AFL side? 😉

 

[Ironhawk]

@Ironhawk are you doing this with your AFL side? 😉

I posted this back in July in the 2023 SC thread (post 2):

I'm actually considering doing something a bit different with my team in 2023, and as such, no locks as yet. I'll try something similar in the Big Bash, where I traditionally just play for fun, and if that works well, will probably give it a go in AFL.

...

Definitely interested in others thoughts, I think I need to listen to people here a bit more often, as that is where I have done better this year, rather than my own selections.

As you can see, the plan always was if this went well, yes I would do something similar for the AFL. I feel it's largely gone well, despite a few teething issues, and me disregarding that last paragraph in the quoted message a few times.

I'll leave it up to others to decide though. I believe people are enjoying this and would like to see something similar in AFL too, and I'm happy to continue with running it for the AFL if there's any interest. It only works if people are willing to contribute though, the more people who do, the better things go.

This was never meant to be about achieving a top result, more so the process involved, but seeing as we are doing so well this time, I'll be disappointed if we are not all trying now for some cash to give back to the site. That is still a long way off, but it's also still very realistic that we can achieve it - we are only just over 100 points outside the top 10 after all.

 

[Darkie]

My take on trades: think "would I pick this player to come into the side if it was a single game round?" (like the next few are). I am not sure I would pick Webster personally (or any Stars player), I don't see that his role has changed much at all with Stoinis out, and he hasn't really been putting up great numbers lately - 10, 25, 48, 30 in the last four matches. I really don't see why so many want to pick him (around 60%). I'll go with the popular options tonight, but that one surprises me a bit. I will admit, I am not great at SC, so there's probably something I am missing...

I think I’m right in saying that Webster has only lost overs this season to Stoinis - so I’m expecting his role to be extremely good while Stoinis can’t bowl. He’s taken consistent wickets, just need his batting to bounce back I think.

 

[Darkie]

Can we give ourselves the additional option with Connolly? Just to see if he plays a game or two and will score okay?

In that setup McDermott would be WK2, with Inglis the option to go up if he fails. Connolly Bat E, Ellis Bowl E.

I suppose you'd probably have to trade both Wade and Handscomb and hold Philippe for it to work though...

That doesn’t sound great in terms of the second para … I think that’s 0 for 3 in terms of desired outcomes on the WK mentioned.

 

[Ironhawk]

There are rumours about from a fairly reliable source that Head and Carey might miss tomorrow. Does that affect planned trades at all? Still not entirely sure what is planned for tonight yet...

 

[Chumpion]

There are rumours about from a fairly reliable source that Head and Carey might miss tomorrow. Does that affect planned trades at all? Still not entirely sure what is planned for tonight yet...

I definitely that reinforces the plan to focus 1 trade on a future SGR value player.

The main decision we need to confirm is if we are bringing in Webster. Outside of that I think we can structure the team to take a look at both McD and Ellis' scores, and then make a call on who the final trade ins are, as outside of Webster I feel most of the focus out be on AS or PS players?

 

[mike89]

I definitely that reinforces the plan to focus 1 trade on a future SGR value player.

The main decision we need to confirm is if we are bringing in Webster. Outside of that I think we can structure the team to take a look at both McD and Ellis' scores, and then make a call on who the final trade ins are, as outside of Webster I feel most of the focus out be on AS or PS players?

Not sure I agree with this. Even without Head and Carey we could do something like Webster, Thornton, and two quality Scorchers. Their roles aren't going to change and they're not gonna disadvantage you too badly on a single.

 

[Shaunpro1]

Im certainly not of the opinion that its all doom and gloom if Carey and Head arent available, probably 10 guys I'd be pretty happy to own across the 3 sides, don't really see the logic of looking at anyone else tbh, being unique for the sake of it isn't a path I'd take when ranked just outside the top 20.

 

[toxic]

Given the ranking of this team

Is it trying for 1st or top 10?

I think that question is key to future trades, especially this week

 

[Herbie66]

No Carey , no Head for either game of the DGR

People might need to revote

 

[Ironhawk]

Given the ranking of this team

Is it trying for 1st or top 10?

I think that question is key to future trades, especially this week

My opinion - the aim has been to do the best we can. Does that mean we take silly risks to try to catch up and get to #1 - no. There's at least 5 others from SCS ranked ahead of this team, and a few just behind. As long as someone from the site takes out the title, I'll be very happy, and to me, it has been a successful season.

Honestly, what we have been doing so far is working pretty well, and the results have well and truly exceeded anything I expected. What is the name of our team? I think that helps answer what we do with trades.

Top 10 for a combined team would still be a massive effort, and I'd be ecstatic with that. Sure, I'd be slightly disappointed if we end up just missing #1 to a non SCS team because we played too conservatively, but that's still a very (very) long shot of happening. Top 10 is realistically much more achievable than #1 from this far back. Who knows, #1 is still a spot within the top 10, by aiming for a top 10, we could still achieve both.

 

[Darkie]

Given the ranking of this team

Is it trying for 1st or top 10?

I think that question is key to future trades, especially this week

This is a good and important question.

Thoughts?

 

[Darkie]

Given Head and Carey are out, the order seems to be:

Hardie 17
Webster 11
Bancroft 6
Thornton 5
Dorf 3

I don’t think the Carey/Head news influences the appeal of any other selections (?) given their roles, so I guess Bancroft and possibly Thornton (if we boost) become the defaults, along with Hardie and Webster?

 

[Ironhawk]

This is a good and important question.

Thoughts?

Happy to hear other's opinions on this too, it's not just my team.

Trades for tonight?

 

[mike89]

Given the ranking of this team

Is it trying for 1st or top 10?

I think that question is key to future trades, especially this week

Think this question can somewhat continue to be kicked down the road. Just playing the straight bat could well be enough to get us into the top 10 anyway, and then we can have the conversation about whether to take the @Diabolical approach or just try and hold that place.

I think it becomes a bigger consideration if the potential person to overhaul for top spot is someone on the site. I wouldn't want to be responsible for reducing their prize as a result of a long shot punt from this team.

 

[Herbie66]

Given Head and Carey are out, the order seems to be:

Hardie 17
Webster 11
Bancroft 6
Thornton 5
Dorf 3

I don’t think the Carey/Head news influences the appeal of any other selections (?) given their roles, so I guess Bancroft and possibly Thornton (if we boost) become the defaults, along with Hardie and Webster?

Have to wait and see how Ellis (E) goes tonight (if we decide to do it) otherwise do we need a bowl line player ?

Hard to picture the team when we haven't traded and have multiple DPP players.

Probably need to finalise what is happening with Stoinis & Wade before tonight's game , if we don't want a Star , just trade them to anyone and then update trade later.

 

[Herbie66]

@Ironhawk

Stoinis - > Webster probably looks in favour.

Don't think a decision has been made on what we are doing with Wade.

Or whether we are putting the Emergency on both Ellis & McDermott (given we are short of warm bodies , I would be doing both as E)

66 minutes to the game starts , we might get there 😀

 

[Ironhawk]

@Ironhawk

Stoinis - > Webster probably looks in favour.

Don't think a decision has been made on what we are doing with Wade.

Or whether we are putting the Emergency on both Ellis & McDermott (given we are short of warm bodies , I would be doing both as E)

66 minutes to the game starts , we might get there 😀

Happy to lock this trade in.

Players tonight:
Clarke, McDermott, Ellis, Webster (Wade). Most have DPP. Ellis as BWL E seems locked. What do we do with the other 4 (including which lines)?