2023: SC Planning Thread

[Herbie66]

11 premiums and four on field rookies (including McLean) is doable if you don't overspend on starting all of Laird, Oliver, Miller etc.

11 premiums - 7 mid pricers - 4 onfield rookies

Care to share , would love to see how that looks

Can get 11 premiums (none of the Big 5 mids though)

Dawson , Docherty
Bont , Brayshaw , Cripps , Steele , Dunkley *
Grundy , Marshall
Rozee * , Taranto *

+ Fyfe * , Hopper , Milera , Yeo , Ziebell

Used Ashcroft , Gibney , McLean , Phillips as the 4 onfield rookies.

Bench of 7 X $ 123,900.00 + Madden left $ 348,000.00 for final 2 players

Added Joyce & McKenna for the sake of it gives a 11-5-6 setup and $ 1,300.00 in the Bank

 

[Ricky Bobby]

11 premiums - 7 mid pricers - 4 onfield rookies

Care to share , would love to see how that looks

I wonder if this might depend on the definition of “rookie”:being used. 🤔 For instance, I have rookie priced Allen, McLean, McKenna in my team, but I wold class then as “mid pricers” for this exercise because they are not first year players

 

[Herbie66]

I wonder if this might depend on the definition of “rookie”:being used. 🤔 For instance, I have rookie priced Allen, McLean, McKenna in my team, but I wold class then as “mid pricers” for this exercise because they are not first year players

Exactly

Are guys like Jones , Coffield , Marchbank rookies or cheaper midpricers like the ones you mentioned + Daniels , Pedlar , Brice , King etc etc

Still trying to work out if Daicos is a premium or a expensive stepping stone , based on last year's aggregate he could work , on his average he doesn't

Similar price though is Rozee & Taranto who probably do work out as premiums for their line.

 

[NT.Thunder]

For me a rookie is a first year player or someone that has played less than half a dozen games and not best 22. I agreaa it's a pretty loose term to define though. If I use this case scenario I really only have Ginbey, Phillips and Ashcroft starting with Coffield, Mckenna, McLean and Allen possibly the other to loosely fill that description.

 

[Professor]

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[Shaunpro1]

11 premiums and four on field rookies (including McLean) is doable if you don't overspend on starting all of Laird, Oliver, Miller etc.

Then you're in a scenario where you could very easily chase 3 quality 650K+ mids all year which I really don't want to do, getting the mix right feels very tough this year with such an average cheaper rookie pool.

My issue I'm having is to afford the top mids you have to go down from the Allen/Goater price range to those 120K-140k rookies and I just dont think many of them are any good this season, Tom Berry,Darcy Wilmot and a bunch of raw key forwards is about all we've got right now.

 

[AngryAnt]

11 premiums - 7 mid pricers - 4 onfield rookies

Care to share , would love to see how that looks

Can get 11 premiums (none of the Big 5 mids though)

Dawson , Docherty
Bont , Brayshaw , Cripps , Steele , Dunkley *
Grundy , Marshall
Rozee * , Taranto *

+ Fyfe * , Hopper , Milera , Yeo , Ziebell

Used Ashcroft , Gibney , McLean , Phillips as the 4 onfield rookies.

Bench of 7 X $ 123,900.00 + Madden left $ 348,000.00 for final 2 players

Added Joyce & McKenna for the sake of it gives a 11-5-6 setup and $ 1,300.00 in the Bank

If you consider people in the Green/Titch/LDU/Daicos bracket premiums (which you are selecting them as) and you don't blow your entire budget on a Laird, Oliver etc, it's doable with six midpricers and even having Ginbey on the bench.

 

[Locky27]

Then you're in a scenario where you could very easily chase 3 quality 650K+ mids all year which I really don't want to do, getting the mix right feels very tough this year with such an average cheaper rookie pool.

I would rather chase a 105 average fwd in Taranto or Rozee, than a 130 average mid. My strategy is start with the guys you don't want to be chasing, then go for value.

 

[AngryAnt]

Then you're in a scenario where you could very easily chase 3 quality 650K+ mids all year which I really don't want to do, getting the mix right feels very tough this year with such an average cheaper rookie pool.

You're wanting to field as few rookies on field as possible, right? The spots on field are therefore taken up by mid-pricers. I dont see how you can start with multiple top-liners in the Laird/Oliver price range without going more rookies at the bottom end.

 

[AngryAnt]

I would rather chase a 105 average fwd in Taranto or Rozee, than a 130 average mid. My strategy is start with the guys you don't want to be chasing, then go for value.

That's fine, but who are you going to be selecting on field in your forward line then to begin with in lieu of the Tarantos/Rozees? Which rookies outside of McLean (who isnt really a rookie) would you be happy to have on field in the forwards?

 

[Herbie66]

If you consider people in the Green/Titch/LDU/Daicos bracker premiums (which you are selecting them as) and you don't blow your entire budget on a Laird, Oliver etc, it's doable with six midpricers and even having Ginbey on the bench.

I guess a lot of it comes down to personal choice but agree we are all hoping the players we start $ 500k+ will all turn out to be premiums.

The start or not start the likes of Laird , Miller , Mills , Neale & Oliver is very interesting.

Or find alternatives and balance out the "lost" points in different lines

 

[Shaunpro1]

That's fine, but who are you going to be selecting on field in your forward line then to begin with in lieu of the Tarantos/Rozees? Which rookies outside of McLean (who isnt really a rookie) would you be happy to have on field in the forwards?

You could go Dunkley,Allen and McLean and just load the line with mid pricers really, risky but the likes of Ziebell,Fyfe,Cunnington,Milera could be very good stepping stones if they can stay fit, isn't that far up to Rozee/Taranto unless they absolutely dominate.

 

[AngryAnt]

You could go Dunkley,Allen and McLean and just load the line with mid pricers really, risky but the likes of Ziebell,Fyfe,Cunnington,Milera could be very good stepping stones if they can stay fit, isn't that far up to Rozee/Taranto unless they absolutely dominate.

Thats an option definitely, but if you consider people like Rozee and Taranto to be underpriced potentially by at least 10ppg, why would you skip on this value and overspend elsewhere on less value or no value at all?

 

[Chumpion]

I reckon a lot of this comes down to definitions of a premium. Personally, I only count guys that are high likelihood to be in the top bracket of their line, so wouldn’t necessarily say Daicos, Young, Green, Mitchell etc are premiums. They might have that potential but don’t see it as a sure thing. So I don’t get too fazed comparing premium numbers because if I have 10 that include Oliver, Laird, Bont, and the other “strong” and others have 11 but have 2-3 “weaker” options counted then I don’t see it as an issue.

This year feels like one to lock in 10 qualities guys and then a handful of midpricers. Limited rookies on field and hope that at worst you can correct into any rookies that were missed.
My main focus for early trades will be correcting midpricers or rookies, so keen to avoid the need to correct a risky premium as much as possible.

 

[Locus Levy Lunacy]

I guess a lot of it comes down to personal choice but agree we are all hoping the players we start $ 500k+ will all turn out to be premiums.

The start or not start the likes of Laird , Miller , Mills , Neale & Oliver is very interesting.

Or find alternatives and balance out the "lost" points in different lines

The logic that says Rozee is/will be a premo, doesn't seem to be applied equally to a lot of others IMO.

Daicos - more mid time (same logic as Rozee surely?)
Young - natural improvement, more kickouts, very positive preseason
Cumming - Himmelberg moved forward, more responsibility
Ridley - done it before, just needs the role. Looked promising in recent match sim
Redman - if Ridley gets the wrong role, then pick Redman
LDU - based on latter part of last year, he will be a great pick, which seems to be the Rozee reasoning
Green - fitter, greater opportunity and responsibility with the departures.
Mitchell - done it before, won't be left to rot at half forward
Anderson, Warner, Butters, Moore etc.

It's pretty easy to get an 11/7 mix (with Allen, McLean, McKenna etc. not counting as midpricers) IF you are prepared to accept that you don't have to pay north of $600K to get a good player.

The really expensive guys will likely score higher, but they NEED to, to be successful picks. Oliver is priced at 31 points more than Mitchell. Oliver will average higher, but Mitchell will close that gap significantly. Why do you need 4 x 630K-plus guys, when you can only use 2 as C and VC?

We are not buying LDU, Green, Mitchell types to be guaranteed season-long keepers. If you get one, great. You get through to the byes with a stronger overall team, then sideways as required. The emphasis is on "overall team" - all 29 spots - not just the first 11 or 12. The points scored at M1- M4 don't count for any more than those scored at D6.

 

[Shaunpro1]

I reckon a lot of this comes down to definitions of a premium. Personally, I only count guys that are high likelihood to be in the top bracket of their line, so wouldn’t necessarily say Daicos, Young, Green, Mitchell etc are premiums. They might have that potential but don’t see it as a sure thing. So I don’t get too fazed comparing premium numbers because if I have 10 that include Oliver, Laird, Bont, and the other “strong” and others have 11 but have 2-3 “weaker” options counted then I don’t see it as an issue.

This year feels like one to lock in 10 qualities guys and then a handful of midpricers. Limited rookies on field and hope that at worst you can correct into any rookies that were missed.
My main focus for early trades will be correcting midpricers or rookies, so keen to avoid the need to correct a risky premium as much as possible.

This is basically my thinking right now, rather have 10 guys I absolutely trust to be top line premiums than push out to 11 but have 2 or 3 of them hoping they are good enough.

With 36 trades and boosts should be able to even up the premium numbers by upgrading the mid pricers fairly quickly anyway.

 

[AngryAnt]

This is basically my thinking right now, rather have 10 guys I absolutely trust to be top line premiums than push out to 11 but have 2 or 3 of them hoping they are good enough.

With 36 trades and boosts should be able to even up the premium numbers by upgrading the mid pricers fairly quickly anyway.

Why not pick the value and save yourself from having to do an extra early upgrade trade?

 

[Shaunpro1]

Why not pick the value and save yourself from having to do an extra early upgrade trade?

I dont really see what the difference is, in all likelihood people going for value have to use the same trades on their 500k picks that arent keepers and getting up to all the 600k+ players they aren't starting, think it all evens out across a 23 game season.

 

[Locus Levy Lunacy]

I dont really see what the difference is, in all likelihood people going for value have to use the same trades on their 500k picks that arent keepers and getting up to all the 600k+ players they aren't starting, think it all evens out across a 23 game season.

The difference is the value players are making money, whilst the top-dollar players are losing money.

 

[Shaunpro1]

The difference is the value players are making money, whilst the top-dollar players are losing money.

You arent making money on guys priced over 500k if they are scoring so insufficiently that they need upgrading, they'll be losing money themselves.