Competitions 2022: IPL RDT Fantasy

[mike89]

- BBL: wickets and catches receive fewer points (20 and 10), but points are awarded for dot balls. ER points are available after 2 overs (need to check this). Bonus points for 50 runs, 3 wickets etc. The primary fielder (not the keeper) receives run out points.
- IPL: wickets and catches receive more points (25 and 12). No dot ball points, and ER eligibility only after 3 overs. All run out contributors receive run out points.
- Implications: (1) IPL may even the playing field for batsmen, by reducing bowlers’ scoring potential somewhat, (2) wicket-taking bowlers are advantaged relatively to run-saving bowlers, (3) item (2) is particularly true for part-timers, who are quite unlikely to generate ER points and are very reliant on wickets, (4) keepers can get easy points from run outs, particularly in sides that generate a few of them.

A relevant factor in this one too is the average scores per game. IPL scores are typically higher since the grounds are smaller and six hitting is relatively easier (and there are better exponents of it on average). So ER points are harder to come by - as compared to say, Rashid playing on the bigger Australian grounds where you can basically lock him in for ER and a sizeable amount of dot balls, if not wickets, which sets a very high floor. Pretty hard to get that kind of floor from anyone in the IPL, especially considering how few players are involved in both facets of the game reliably.

 

[Herbie66]

- BBL: Overseas players are generally amongst the best in their teams, with good JS and roles. Some exceptions, particularly for bowlers (eg English quicks and uncapped spinners from the subcontinent).
- IPL: Overseas player depth is high, as is pressure to perform. Matchup analysis also seems more sophisticated than in the BBL.
- Implications: Overseas player JS can be materially lower in the IPL. Name brand players sometimes don’t even get selected. The quality of the local players in a particular position can also have a big impact on who gets selected (eg if local spinners are of high quality but quicks aren’t, overseas quicks will be more secure than overseas spinners). When prepping for a DGR, it may make sense to load up on local players early and bring in overseas players later (all else equal), to mitigate the JS risk. When starting a new season, there may be high quality players (overseas, or perhaps local) who are low-prices due to not being selected in the prior season, or playing an unappealing role in the prior season.

Very quick count 22 OS players played less than 3 games.

A few teams also didn't have a full 8 OS players on their roster (MI had 8 but deliberately got Archer)

 

[Herbie66]

CSK - Moeen Ali 10 , Bravo 10 , Conway 7 , Jordan 4 , Milne 1 , Pretorius 6 , Santner 6 , Theekshana 9

Pathirana (replaced Milne) 2

DC (7) - Marsh 8 , Ngidi 0 , Nortje 6 , Powell 14 , Rahman 8 , Seifert 2 , Warner 12

GUJ - Ahmad 0 , Drakes 0 , Ferguson 12 , Gurbaz 0 , Joseph 8 , Rashid 14 , Miller 14 , Wade 8

Gurbaz was Roy's replacement

KIP (7) - Bairstow 11 , Ellis 2 , Howell 0 , Livingstone 14 , Rabada 13 , Rajapaksa 9 , Smith 5

KKR - Billings 8 , Cummins 5 , Finch 5 , Karunaratne 0 , Nabi 0 , Narine 14 , Russell 14 , Southee 9

Finch was Hale's replacement

 

[Herbie66]

LUC (7) - Chameera 11 , de Kock 14 , Holder 12 , Lewis 5 , Mayers 0 , Stoinis 10 , Wood 0

Tye 3 replaced Wood

MI - Fabian Allen 0 , Archer 0 , Brevis 7 , David 8 , Meredith 8 , Mills 5 , Pollard 11 , Sams 11

Stubbs 2 replaced Mills

RAJ - Boult 13 , Buttler 14 , Coulter-Nile 1 , Hetmyer 12 , McCoy 4 , Mitchell 2 , Neesham 2 , Van der Dussen 3

RCB - Finn Allen 0 , Behrendorff 0 , du Plessis 14 , Hasaranga 14 , Hazlewood 10 , Maxwell 11 , Rutherford 3 , Willey 4

SRH - Abbott 1 , Farooqi 3 , Jansen 8 , Markram 14 , Phillips 0 , Pooran 14 , Shepherd 3 , Williamson 13

 

[Darkie]

Excellent comments / stats thanks @mike89 @Herbie66!

If anyone identifies any differences we’ve missed or potential implications, please flag it. Maybe I can pull the info together in one spot as a reference for next season(s).

 

[Herbie66]

@Darkie one of the major differences between IPL & the BBL , and probably the most important one is that the Indian internationals actually play the whole season , makes a hell of a difference to the standard.

Most teams probably have 4-5 quality local players (current & retired stars) + their 4 OS.

 

[Diabolical]

- BBL: emergencies are selected
- IPL: no emergencies are selected, with the lowest bench score (that isn’t a zero) is used
- Implications: looping strategy differs ..

… might need a chopout from @Diabolical or @mike89 on this one?

Things that come to mind include preferred donut selection, risk of inadvertent donuts, taking advantage of the 0 bench score aspect, and anything specific to the VC/C loop.

For me, the main implications are:
- you actually need 2 donuts on the bat or bowl lines, but only 1 on the keeper line. For that reason the keeper donut is the most valuable one and one I would be prepared to even pay additional money for to make sure they have the right schedule. (The fact that you can basically pick a side full of premium players from the get go in IPL is its own consideration!)
- if you are prepared to run three, and potentially take two scores off the bench every round, it's important that you actually split them across various teams, because no team will be late in every round (even Rajasthan, who had an excellent looping schedule, had a first-in-round match in round 10). This should always ensure you have a late donut across every round and can actually utilise your loops.
- As for which players I like to look at the scores of, I have two main candidate types:
* Death bowlers. A death bowler is a good chance of a really good score because late wickets can fall in clumps, but they're also a really good chance of a zero if it goes against them, as their chances of ER are low and they typically don't get a bat. That effectively gets you a second chance at a loop. Probably isn't extremely necessary though aside from in the last round of the season where you're not compromising your wider team structure if you have more or less donuts. Bonus points if they also have BAT eligibility (as Harshal did) because then you can do it on both lines.
* Highly popular players. In AFL and other games the bench is typically used to get an unexpectedly good score on the field, but in such a volatile game I find it equally valuable, if not moreso, to get unexpectedly bad scores off the field. Russell is a prime candidate here if you look at Herbie's analysis: 5 tons and 6 scores under 25, as well as a lot of early games. If most players have him on field, you're potentially a good score ahead on his bad days and you keep up on his good days. The risk is not being able to VC them...

I agree with Mike, particularly with putting more popular players on the bench. It is a tactic that I feel I have had success with on a few occasions, and so long as we have a loop option we can’t lose. (So long as when we choose not to take a 20 our replacement scores 5 - however, given we are only risking a minimal score the loss isn’t great)

Due to selecting emergencies in BBL I think we can get away with less donuts. However, the need or otherwise on any or how many will depend on the fixture and how many byes teams will have. The fixture, and planning around it, I think is the biggest thing to try and get right.

Another thing with BBL is to be prepared to mix the emergencies up. I think some people get stuck in a rut of having one emergency on each line. For example a bowling emergency might score a middling score like 40 in the first game. We could forgo an emergency on another line to get a look at another bowling emergency, then decide to take both scores, or none. This is safest if you can fill one of the other lines with early playing players given there will be no cover for a late out.

 

[Darkie]

I agree with Mike, particularly with putting more popular players on the bench. It is a tactic that I feel I have had success with on a few occasions, and so long as we have a loop option we can’t lose. (So long as when we choose not to take a 20 our replacement scores 5 - however, given we are only risking a minimal score the loss isn’t great)

Due to selecting emergencies in BBL I think we can get away with less donuts. However, the need or otherwise on any or how many will depend on the fixture and how many byes teams will have. The fixture, and planning around it, I think is the biggest thing to try and get right.

Another thing with BBL is to be prepared to mix the emergencies up. I think some people get stuck in a rut of having one emergency on each line. For example a bowling emergency might score a middling score like 40 in the first game. We could forgo an emergency on another line to get a look at another bowling emergency, then decide to take both scores, or none. This is safest if you can fill one of the other lines with early playing players given there will be no cover for a late out.

Good info, thank you.

The trade update tool is also very handy, and somewhat reduces the risk from a late out.

I think it may pair well with a loop-oriented strategy.

 

[Darkie]

@Darkie one of the major differences between IPL & the BBL , and probably the most important one is that the Indian internationals actually play the whole season , makes a hell of a difference to the standard.

Most teams probably have 4-5 quality local players (current & retired stars) + their 4 OS.

This is a very good point.

The fact that so many players prioritise it over other commitments is very different from the BBL.

The evenness of quality within sides, and resulting lack of extremely attractive roles, was something I was trying to get at earlier but probably didn’t express that well.

 

[Professor]

I received an email today from Sportsdeck, that they have finally brought out an App under Apple and Android. I downloaded it in the morning, but haven't had a chance to play around with it a lot. Still needs a bit of work, but, seems ok.

 

[Professor]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1529093694003064832

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[tso]

Of course Buttler turns up today

 

[Herbie66]

Of course Buttler turns up today

142 runs from his previous 7 Innings before last night , including a 67.

 

[Herbie66]

RAJ 188/6

Rashid 4-0-15-0

 

[Darkie]

Butler, Saha, Samson and Rashid all going well overnight. Would have been a decent game for me 🙂

 

[Professor]

Butler, Saha, Samson and Rashid all going well overnight. Would have been a decent game for me 🙂

What could have been, such fluctuations between matches makes it pretty hard to rely on them game on game.

 

[Herbie66]

Patidar 112* (54)

RCB advance

 

[Herbie66]

Buttler 106* (60) as RAJ win by 7 wickets

 

[Connoisseur]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1530429792021258242

 

[Professor]

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