2023 SC Super Early Planning Thread

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So who will show us in 2023?

The Phantom

It’s early, but here are a few names to put in your note book.

Errol Gulden (Sydney)
After posting scores of 139 and 136 in the first two games of career, and rating elite for inside 50s, effective kicks, intercept possessions and goal assists as a forward in his debut season, I tipped Gulden to push the 95-point mark this year.
Although still a significant bump, with a current average of 86, he’ll be a bit below that. But we’ve see more to suggest that it will only be a matter of time until he does.

Gulden has spent more time on a wing this season, floating back to play behind the ball, but has recorded another three scores of 125 or more, among five KFC SuperCoach tons, making it six big scores in his first 36 matches.

And his enormous scoring potential goes back to his junior career with Gulden posting scores of 168, 131 and 105 in his three NAB League games in his draft year and 245, 177 and 149 at the national under-16 carnival the previous season.
Against the Giants on Saturday, Gulden tallied career-high disposals (33), metres gained (697), marks (12) and inside-50s (10), on his way to a season-high 131 points.

His position splits will make him a DPP forward again in KFC SuperCoach next year, and I am all in.

Hayden Young (Fremantle)
My pre-season prediction was close on Young – I forecast a jump from 77 to 95 in his third year, and his average currently sits at 94.
But his past seven weeks prove he could be ready to become a three-figure defender in KFC SuperCoach very soon.

Since round 12, of all general defenders in the competition, the neat-kicking left-footer ranks fifth for uncontested possessions and marks, sixth for disposals and eighth for intercepts.

The 21-year-old has posted four KFC SuperCoach tons and averages 104 points in the past seven rounds.

Don’t forget he averaged 19 disposals, seven intercepts, seven marks and 98 KFC SuperCoach points in the final four games of the 2021, too.
His kicking – and decision making - is a joy to watch.

Of the 65 players to average 23 disposals or more this season, only Tom Stewart, Daniel Rich and Caleb Daniel have recorded a better kicking efficiency than Young (80.2 per cent).

But, as the stats show, the third-year Docker is also getting in the right spots to win the ball back off the opposition, helping his KFC SuperCoach scoring go to another level.

Keidean Coleman (Brisbane)

In the first half against the Tigers on Sunday, Coleman recorded 609 metres gained, the fourth-highest figure of any player this season.
He had 20 disposals and five marks by halftime and was the best player on the ground at the main break.

Coleman finished with 105 points, his third consecutive KFC SuperCoach ton, either side of injury and Covid interruptions.

The 22-year-old is averaging 106 since Round 12, after really hitting his straps after injury ruined the first half of his season.

And like Young, Coleman’s kicking has been key, with the left-footer boasting an impressive kicking efficiency of 79.6 per cent for the year, and hitting the target with 68 of his past 83 kicks.

At $498k, he’s a value point-of-difference if you need one now.

Nick Daicos (Collingwood) and Jason Horne-Francis (North Melbourne)

Daicos goes without saying. The Pies young gun is averaging 110 since round 11, but is likely to be priced at less than 95 to start 2023. And greater responsibility beckons further up the ground soon.

Horne-Francis is a different story. After a frustrating debut season, for many reasons, the No.1 draft pick is averaging just 63 KFC SuperCoach points – a figure that would see him priced at less than $350k as a mid-forward next season.

And as he’s showed at times in 2022 – and through his junior career – that could mean serious value.

In round 20 against the Bombers, Horne-Francis tallied 21 disposals, nine marks, nine contested possessions and 94 KFC SuperCoach points in his most impressive performance since the opening month of the season.

In those first four games of his career, after being thrust in the midfield deep end, the 19-year-old averaged 19 disposals, 10 contested possessions, four clearances and 83 KFC SuperCoach points.

Just keep an eye on his pre-season – and maybe his off-season.

Chad Warner (Sydney)

The next two have pretty much broken out into the KFC SuperCoach premium scene already – but next year is when they could cement their spot in there.

Before last week’s tag-effected 69-point performance against the Giants, Warner had posted scores of 155, 108, 148 and 110, to take his season average to 99.7.

It was the second time the young Swan had posted four consecutive KFC SuperCoach tons on the trot this season, after doing the same between rounds 6 and 9.

Warner’s ball-winning has improved in the back half of the year, but it’s his ability to hit the scoreboard from the midfield that sets him apart.

The 21-year-old booted seven goals in the most-recent four-week KFC SuperCoach ton streak and, on the year, rates elite for score involvements, score assists and goals.

His contested-possession percentage is another thing to watch out for. Given he’s so damaging on the outside, Warner has won only 39 per cent of his possession in a contest this season – rated average as a midfielder.

But at WAFL Colts level in his draft year, Warner averaged 16.9 contested possessions per game (61.5 per cent) on his way to a competition high 156-point average.

Another quiet game to finish 2022, and he could be priced at less than 100 next season.

Mason Redman (Essendon)

I’m not so confident the breakout Bomber will be, though, given he averages a huge 118 points across the past eight matches.

Since round 12, 149 of Redman’s 156 disposals have been effective – and extraordinary number and a big reason for his huge scores.

As is the way he wins the ball back of the opposition, with the 24-year-old averaging seven intercept possessions in this eight-game stretch.
With the Bombers taking on a struggling Giants this week, although expensive, he’s a point-of-difference with a high ceiling.

Heath Chapman (Fremantle)

Just keep an eye on this Docker over the pre-season, too.

Who will be KFC SuperCoach famous next?
 
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Haven't got too many out of the box that people are yet to mention.

Will probably pay up for Daicos.
Tom Green, should be his year to step up.
Jai Newcombe, Nic Martin probably in the 'one year too soon' category but a big watch.
Redman likely spooked his price with the 176, but probably still value.

Jack Steele will be decent price. Possibly Brownlow run in him. Parish value too?
LDU has Trac vibes. Finally got a tank. Interested.
Chad Warner goes 105-110. Is it enough for his price... probably not.
Rowan Marshall pretty safe bet priced at 92 if he keeps Fwd
Cerra could make a leap. Injury game helps price. 110 not out the question.
Jy Simpkin? 87 ave feels so low.
Sam Berry as a Fwd seems like a no-brainer
De Goey for sure.

Can't see too many speccies/flyers out there at the moment. Toby Greene. Hayes from Saints. Salem. Conor Nash. Really loving what I'm seeing from Josh Ward lately.
 
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After starting

Blakey, Brayshaw and Sinclair this year
My streak of selecting good PODS has continued somehow, despite it actually hurting me this year coz I could trade anyone out to grab in form players such as Oliver or mills or Dawson

This year I have my eyes on a few early

Perryman, McVeigh loves him in the middle

Hunter Clark, so unlucky

Warner, the obvious

Sam berry, bull
 
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After starting

Blakey, Brayshaw and Sinclair this year
My streak of selecting good PODS has continued somehow, despite it actually hurting me this year coz I could trade anyone out to grab in form players such as Oliver or mills or Dawson

This year I have my eyes on a few early

Perryman, McVeigh loves him in the middle

Hunter Clark, so unlucky

Warner, the obvious

Sam berry, bull
I think you'd end up the unlucky one if you picked Hunter Clark, the guy always seems to get hurt, and he's never really averaged anything decent. I was considering starting Blakey but ended up going with David Bowey who ended up going to shart.
 
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early thoughts on players I'd like to start

D: Dawson, Redman, Hayden Young
M: Touk, Steele, Walsh, Warner, Hopper
R: Gawn/Darcy, Marshall
F: Dunkley, Rozee, Himmelberg

Don't think Marshall gets DPP, or Bont gets DPP unless he plays a lot of forward the last 3 weeks
I'd actually be very surprised if Marshall didn't get DPP, Ryder played 12 games, so that's 12 games as the genuine #2 ruck playing primarily forward. Throw in 4 games that Hayes also played, admittedly he's #1 but still not outright and you've got 16 of 18 games with forward time.

His average in the 2 games with neither is 165, fwiw.
 
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I'd actually be very surprised if Marshall didn't get DPP, Ryder played 12 games, so that's 12 games as the genuine #2 ruck playing primarily forward. Throw in 4 games that Hayes also played, admittedly he's #1 but still not outright and you've got 16 of 18 games with forward time.

His average in the 2 games with neither is 165, fwiw.
His numbers have been counterintuitive because you'd think you'd be right but he was at 36.1% forward time when he got the DPP after round 17. I think the last 5 games solo rucking will almost certainly put him under the required 35%

KFC SuperCoach 2022: Round 18 trade guide and all the new DPP players
The final round of dual-position players for 2022 is in. Who is now a DPP and what does it mean for your trade plans? Plus this week’s top targets.

Chasing points is not usually a recommended strategy in KFC SuperCoach, but sometimes the temptation is just too great.
After Harry Himmelberg monstered North Melbourne in round 13 with 37 disposals, 16 marks and 187 KFC SuperCoach points, more than 10,000 coaches promptly traded him into their teams. And it has been a winning move.


SCROLL DOWN FOR THIS WEEK’S TOP TRADE TARGETS

Himmelberg’s new role in defence – he has now spent 38.1 per cent of game time down back this season – has delivered four more scores of 95 or better, and a gain in value of almost $200,000. And now the icing on the cake has arrived, with Himmelberg gaining dual-position status as a FWD/DEF after round 17.

But the GWS swing man isn’t the biggest name in the latest round of position changes.

Rowan Marshall made a late charge to reach 36.1 per cent forward time and qualify as a RUC/FWD DPP for the final six rounds.

Marshall has averaged over 100 KFC SuperCoach points twice in his career, including a career-best 110.2 in 2019.

His scoring power was evident in a 156-point game against Sydney in round 15, but it’s notable that came in the absence of Paddy Ryder. Rucking alongside Ryder, Marshall has averaged 69.5 points in 11 games in 2022. If Ryder becomes unavailable for any reason, keep the big Saint on your watch list.

The other new DPPs are less likely to feature in trade plans, but some could provide some valuable flexibility for existing owners.

At the top of that list is Eagle Brady Hough, who played in three of the first nine rounds but has become a staple of the West Coast team in recent weeks, averaging just under 60 points in his past five games.

The bonus of a new MID/DEF player on the midfield bench could be huge in the closing rounds, opening up the option of moving a DPP premium like Jack Crisp or Jayden Short to the midfield to cover an unexpected out.


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THIS WEEK’S TOP TRADE TARGETS
Callum Mills $575,300 MID

Few players can rack up KFC SuperCoach points like the Swans midfielder. Against the Bulldogs he had 23 disposals and a ridiculous 16 tackles to post 138, his seventh score above 130 for the year. He has dropped under $600k for the first time since round 6 and is the cheapest he’s been all year. He could be the perfect point of difference when most rivals have Clayton Oliver, Jack Macrae and Co.

Jack Steele $549,800 MID

The value uber premium of the competition, Steele will be available for about $550k despite hitting three figures in his three games back from a shoulder injury. He hasn’t quite hit top gear yet but we know what he can do after averaging 138 points per game after St Kilda’s bye last year.

Tim Taranto $441,100 MID/FWD

One of the forgotten men of KFC SuperCoach in 2022, Taranto was high in forward premium discussions in the pre-season and started with three tons in the first four rounds before suffering a drop in form then a back injury. But after scoring 56 in his return game he has posted 111 and 109 in his past two and is dirt cheap at around $440k.


Mitch Duncan $486,600 MID/FWD

You could cut and paste the above description for Duncan, who is slightly more expensive but has a stronger body of form with a five-round average of 104 after scoring 121 and 117 in the past two weeks. The Cats have a great run home.

Patrick Dangerfield $438,100 MID

Dangerfield’s return of 114 against the Dees could have been much higher if he had kicked straight in front of goal - finishing with 0.4. It was just his second ton of the season but the signs were ominous after his 96 from just over 60 per cent game time the week before. If you’ve got a spare trade he could be an incredible player to bring off the bench in your midfield.

Isaac Heeney $440,900 MID/FWD

Heeney bounced back with 112 points from a four-goal effort against the Bulldogs, but will drop further in price and can be bought for under $450k this week. The rollercoaster can be tough but he could be a great MID/FWD F7 if you can loophole his scores off the bench.

Luke Davies-Uniacke $567,300 MID

The Kangaroos gun is arguably the form midfielder of the competition. He has scored 120-plus KFC SuperCoach points in three of his past four matches, with his effort against the Magpies on Saturday one of the most complete individual games of the season - 33 disposals, 11 tackles, 12 clearances and 149 KFC SuperCoach points.

Connor Rozee $520,500 MID/FWD

Ken Hinkley rated Rozee as one of the best midfielders in the comp after his dazzling 154-point game against the Giants. Now a key member of the Power engine room, he has scored 98 or more in five of his past six games and offers dual-position flexibility – and a huge upside.

Tim English $576,000 RUC/FWD

If you held off a week before grabbing one of the top scorers of KFC SuperCoach in 2022, well played. English’s 97 was well below his 160 Break Even which will result in a big price drop this week from his pre-round 17 price of $605,100. The fact he was outmuscled in the ruck by Sydney’s third-string option Sam Reid wasn’t a great sign, but his scoring power still almost got him to 100.

Jase Burgoyne $117,300 DEF/MID

The son of Port Adelaide champ Peter Burgoyne has made an impressive start to his AFL career, scoring 65 and 68 KFC SuperCoach points in his opening two games. Not many coaches are in the market for a rookie at this time of year but if you need extra cash for an upgrade Burgoyne is the standout bubble boy this round.

Dan Rioli $484,300 DEF/FWD

If we’re picking on form – and price – the reborn Tigers half-back has to be in the conversation. Rioli has posted 127 and 129 points in his past two games and has set new career-highs for disposals three weeks in a row (27, 28, 31). Filling the Bachar Houli role, Richmond loves to get the ball in his hands and he’s not afraid to run down the ground for a ping at goal. He was $425k a few weeks ago but he’s still very affordable.
 
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Just some flavour for 2023 from me on the Eagles, lets hope next year is a little brighter than 2022! Interested in other supporters views.

Jamaine Jones has really piqued my interest as he seems to have taken the spot running off half back in the last few weeks. There is the opportunity of HB for the eagles with Witherden scoring big earlier in the year in that role (12 games for 7 scores over 100). this is about the only lucrative role at the Eagles at present!

Jones's dash was really noticeable against Gold Coast and pretty sure he may be ahead of Witherden now who always seems in then out of favour and didnt make selection this week. I cant see Hurn playing more than 15 games next year, and Mcg/Barras will continue to play as the talls, we really lack pace of HB. Tom Cole will be back but he plays more lock down IMO. Price is currently $330k, expect similar next year and D/M would be handy. About to turn 24, so if he's ever going to have a jump surely its about now. scores are VERY up and down this year, with 2 x 100's and 2 x 90's, but plenty of rubbish below that. last 2 scores 90 & 81. Not sure he will make my side, but seems to have been given an opportunity to show what he has at present. Will be watching him intently over the last 3 games.

I think Chesser will be in many pre-season sides as he looks to overcome his ankle, and hopefully holds his D/M status and may even get a discount (??) from his $148k price this year. a Rookie lock if he has a full pre-season. Tom Joyce another to watch.

About the only other eagles that interest me would be McGovern (injury always a concern). Oscar Allan depending on his discount is set to be a permanent feature up forward i think with JK retiring but scores would be very up & down.

Duggan, Kelly, Cole, will have discounts, but would be stepping stones at best I feel and surely better options will present as we plan for 2023.

Honestly no interest from a supercoach perspective in Yeo, Redden, Sheed, Gaff, shuey, NicNat, Rioli, Ryan and so on.

Not sure how helpful that was, and I honestly dont think too many eagles will feature in SC sides in 2023.

Peace out.
 
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Oscar Allen , GC King , Fyfe , Hopper , Coffield , Lycett (maybe not as cheap) , Cunnington (won't be in that price bracket though) , Thomas

More than enough to build a core team around
I reckon Cunners will be worth a strong look even in the 450k+ range, could easily jump out of the gate averaging 105+...
 
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Cerra might be worth a thought in March 2023.
Had a few injury niggles this year combined with a new team style of play, for under 500K, will be on my watch list next year.
 
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2022 isn't finished yet but for many of us who chase overall it is. If you are still in the race congrats, if you are not, this thread is for you...

1. Who are your early locks?
Guys you consider will either bounce back (form wise or from injury) or players you just consider great value going into 2023.

2 Breakout contenders you will consider or players who have had a roll change you think can go on with it.

3. Whatever the hell you wanna talk about for 2023 ;)
I may go with a fire sale team next year. Nothing over $500k, $550k mid. I have floated the idea last couple of years but didn't have the cahones to follow through. But 23 may be the year. Be something different and a bit of fun. Pretty much means no rookies on park and u may luck out and hit on that breakout star. Starting at a higher base easier to upgrade to a fallen premo. Worth considering.
 
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I may go with a fire sale team next year. Nothing over $500k, $550k mid. I have floated the idea last couple of years but didn't have the cahones to follow through. But 23 may be the year. Be something different and a bit of fun. Pretty much means no rookies on park and u may luck out and hit on that breakout star. Starting at a higher base easier to upgrade to a fallen premo. Worth considering.
It does sound fun, but if you look at the top midfielders this year (aside from Sinclair who would be selected as a defender) it's not until Cripps at #15 that you get one who started at sub-550k.
Realistically that means that you need at least 6 midfield upgrades to have a competitive side at the end (post-byes), possibly all 8. I'm not sure we have enough trades to get that to happen in time.
 
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I may go with a fire sale team next year. Nothing over $500k, $550k mid. I have floated the idea last couple of years but didn't have the cahones to follow through. But 23 may be the year. Be something different and a bit of fun. Pretty much means no rookies on park and u may luck out and hit on that breakout star. Starting at a higher base easier to upgrade to a fallen premo. Worth considering.
Love the idea and considering a similar approach, but I don't think you need to put all your eggs in that basket. I will be looking at spending up large through defense and the middle and taking this plan with the rucks and forwards. Quite possibly even at cheaper values with the introduction of positional changes throughout the year
 
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Good news Russty and TRIGG Gator is here have a look at his photo Baldock Plugger and who? any thoughts ? Only need Shake John and Kat all fine coaches who contribute NDD
 
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Love the idea and considering a similar approach, but I don't think you need to put all your eggs in that basket. I will be looking at spending up large through defense and the middle and taking this plan with the rucks and forwards. Quite possibly even at cheaper values with the introduction of positional changes throughout the year
Rucks are my biggest concern but with Jackson gone might just go for gawn and another demon Grundy Not kidding looks on
 
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Rucks are my biggest concern but with Jackson gone might just go for gawn and another demon Grundy Not kidding looks on
Rucks could be a mixed bag but there will definitely be more value on offer than previous years. Without having to take a preseason risk on players like Witts
 
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I may go with a fire sale team next year. Nothing over $500k, $550k mid. I have floated the idea last couple of years but didn't have the cahones to follow through. But 23 may be the year. Be something different and a bit of fun. Pretty much means no rookies on park and u may luck out and hit on that breakout star. Starting at a higher base easier to upgrade to a fallen premo. Worth considering.
I may go with a fire sale team next year. Nothing over $500k, $550k mid. I have floated the idea last couple of years but didn't have the cahones to follow through. But 23 may be the year. Be something different and a bit of fun. Pretty much means no rookies on park and u may luck out and hit on that breakout star. Starting at a higher base easier to upgrade to a fallen premo. Worth considering.
Saints HAYES really excites me like TRAC excites TRIGG but is he over his injury ???? otherwise the 2 dees for me Gawn and Grundy
 
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It does sound fun, but if you look at the top midfielders this year (aside from Sinclair who would be selected as a defender) it's not until Cripps at #15 that you get one who started at sub-550k.
Realistically that means that you need at least 6 midfield upgrades to have a competitive side at the end (post-byes), possibly all 8. I'm not sure we have enough trades to get that to happen in time.
True might need a tweak or too but worth some serious consideration
 
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