Discussion 2024 Round 18: Teams & In Game Discussion

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VFL, SANFL and WAFL MATCHES

Smithy's VFL fixture, round 16
Saturday, July 13

Sydney v North Melbourne, Tramway Oval, 10.05am AEST
Southport v Box Hill, Fankhauser Reserve, 12.05pm AEST
Werribee v Coburg, Avalon Airport Oval, 1.05pm AEST
Collingwood v Geelong, Victoria Park, 1.05pm AEST
Northern Bullants v Frankston, Genis Steel Oval, 2.05pm AEST
Williamstown v Sandringham, DSV Stadium, 3.05pm AEST

Sunday, July 14
Richmond v Gold Coast, Swinburne Centre, 11.05am AEST
Footscray v Carlton, Whitten Oval, 12pm AEST
Casey v Essendon, Casey Fields, 1.05pm AEST

rebel VFL Women's fixture, finals W3
Sunday, July 14

Williamstown v Western Bulldogs, ETU Stadium, 12.30pm AEST

SANFL fixture, round 14
Saturday, July 13

Norwood v Adelaide, Norwood Oval, 1.10pm ACST
Port Adelaide v Glenelg, Alberton Oval, 2.10pm ACST
Woodville-West Torrens v Sturt, Woodville Oval, 2.10pm ACST
Central District v West Adelaide, X Convenience Oval, 2.10pm ACST
South Adelaide v North Adelaide, Victor Harbor, 2.30pm ACST

WAFL fixture, round 15
Saturday, July 13

West Coast v West Perth, Mineral Resources Park, 11.10am AWST
East Fremantle v Peel Thunder, Lane Group Stadium, 2.30pm AWST
Swan Districts v Claremont, Steel Blue Oval, 2.40pm AWST
 
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From the North article...

Defenders Zac Fisher (foot) and Miller Bergman (ankle sprain) also face tests ahead of Round 18.

Fisher was subbed out of North Melbourne's Round 16 match against the Bulldogs and missed the club's win over the Suns, while Bergman went into recovery and swelling management late last week after rolling his ankle in an aerial contest during main training.

"Zac has made great progress in recovering from that midfoot sprain suffered against the Dogs, after failing to clear availability last Thursday," White said.

"He had a positive running session on-ground on Saturday morning and progressed into group training this morning.
 
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Took some time creating this to see where my team is at. Thought I should share it. I went through each of the top 50 teams and took note of all the premiums they had. "Owned" is the number of teams that player is owned by in the top 50. "Rank" is how popular they are in their line, with 1 being the most popular and the higher numbers being the most unique, in the top 50.

Players like Powell, Salem, McKercher, H.Reid, Boak, Sexton I don't classify as premiums and therefore are not featured.

I don't have SC Plus so I don't know how well these numbers correlate to the top 1% or top 5% stats. A few things that surprised me were:
  • English is the clear second favourite ruck.
  • Merrett is only at 20, I thought that number would be closer to 35-40.
  • Steele is owned by 42 despite being pretty poor after his fast start.
  • The top 5 forwards are way ahead of the rest of the pack. No one owns Rankine who I imagine a lot will be waiting for when he returns.
  • A lot more have Oliver and Green than I thought
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Made one of these after round 12 and with some spare time on my hands I have made a new one for after round 17. Great time to make one with all the around chaos right now to see how everyone is placed. It shows the ownerships of players in the current top 50. 'Rank' is where they sit in terms of popularity, with 1 being the most popular and the higher numbers being the most unique. 'Own' is the number of teams a player features in. Obviously given the sample size is 50, you can work out the ownership % of a player by multiplying 'Own' by 2.

The premos are sorted by their positional lines, and the rookies are all in one big group and not separated into their lines. Was more lenient on the term 'premo' this time around. I've classified guys such as Chapman, W.Powell, Salem, McKercher, Oliver, Curnow, Sexton, Simpkin, Comben, and H.Reid as a 'premo'. They probably aren't scoring at premo levels but they are usually better than a rookie. Key word USUALLY (*cough* Curnow *cough* Oliver *cough*).

I don't have SC Plus so I don't know how well these numbers correlate to the top 1%, top 5% or top 10% stats. Edit: Thanks @Peter56 who’s supplied the top 1%, top 5%, and top 10% stats.
Sorted by ownership:
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Players who are hot and they are sorted by ownership:
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Things to note:
  • Flanders, Heeney, and Zorko all feature in 50 teams up forward.
  • Grundy has jumped from 9 owners to 22 which is likely due to the form he has shown in the last 5 weeks and the fact he already had the bye (in Round 12) while the others (except Xerri) didn't.
  • McGovern in 18 teams, Miller in 8 teams, Gawn in 47 teams, Fisher in 35 teams, Rankine in 26 teams. Ownership of these 5 plus Heeney adds up to 184, which means teams on average are missing 3.68 of that bunch.
  • Some midfielders have plummeted in ownership while others have rose sharply. Oliver went from 29 to 2, Miller went from 29 to 8, Dawson went from 28 to 12, Steele went from 42 to 14. On the flip side, Gulden has gone from 1 owner to 33. The Lions boys in Neale and Dunkley have rose from 5 combined owners to 40.
  • Lots of opportunity to get an advantage in defence with a large spread after the top 3.
Also:
  • With Gawn being out I went further in depth with what ruck cover everyone has. 47 people own Gawn. 17 people can use Jackson as cover. 5 people can use Kreuger as cover. 8 people can use either Jackson or Kreuger as cover. 1 person can use Sweet as cover. 16 people will cop a donut in the ruck line if they don't use a trade. This is under the assumption that Livingstone, Maley, Strachan, Barnett, and H.Smith are not selected.
  • An average of 22.96 'premos' per team. 12 people had 22 premos, 30 had 23 premos, 6 had 24 premos, and 2 had 25 premos. Those with 25 had a number of those iffy guys I mentioned at the start. The majority of those that had 23+ premos had a spare up forward. Those with 22 tended to have 3-5 playing rookies on the bench while most with 23/24/25 premos had 1-3 playing rookies.

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Made one of these after round 12 and with some spare time on my hands I have made a new one for after round 17. Great time to make one with all the around chaos right now to see how everyone is placed. It shows the ownerships of players in the current top 50. 'Rank' is where they sit in terms of popularity, with 1 being the most popular and the higher numbers being the most unique. 'Own' is the number of teams a player features in. Obviously given the sample size is 50, you can work out the ownership % of a player by multiplying 'Own' by 2.

The premos are sorted by their positional lines, and the rookies are all in one big group and not separated into their lines. Was more lenient on the term 'premo' this time around. I've classified guys such as Chapman, W.Powell, Salem, McKercher, Oliver, Curnow, Sexton, Simpkin, Comben, and H.Reid as a 'premo'. They probably aren't scoring at premo levels but they are usually better than a rookie. Key word USUALLY (*cough* Curnow *cough* Oliver *cough*).

I don't have SC Plus so I don't know how well these numbers correlate to the top 1%, top 5% or top 10% stats.

Things to note:
  • Flanders, Heeney, and Zorko all feature in 50 teams up forward.
  • Grundy has jumped from 9 owners to 22 which is likely due to the form he has shown in the last 5 weeks and the fact he already had the bye (in Round 12) while the others (except Xerri) didn't.
  • McGovern in 18 teams, Miller in 8 teams, Gawn in 47 teams, Fisher in 35 teams, Rankine in 26 teams. Ownership of these 5 plus Heeney adds up to 184, which means teams on average are missing 3.68 of that bunch.
  • Some midfielders have plummeted in ownership while others have rose sharply. Oliver went from 29 to 2, Miller went from 29 to 8, Dawson went from 28 to 12, Steele went from 42 to 14. On the flip side, Gulden has gone from 1 owner to 33. The Lions boys in Neale and Dunkley have rose from 5 combined owners to 40.
  • Lots of opportunity to get an advantage in defence with a large spread after the top 3.
Also:
  • With Gawn being out I went further in depth with what ruck cover everyone has. 47 people own Gawn. 17 people can use Jackson as cover. 5 people can use Kreuger as cover. 8 people can use either Jackson or Kreuger as cover. 1 person can use Sweet as cover. 16 people will cop a donut in the ruck line if they don't use a trade. This is under the assumption the Livingstone, Maley, Strachan, Barnett, and H.Smith are selected.
  • An average of 22.96 'premos' per team. 12 people had 22 premos, 30 had 23 premos, 6 had 24 premos, and 2 had 25 premos. Those with 25 had a number of those iffy guys I mentioned at the start. The majority of those that had 23+ premos had a spare up forward. Those with 22 tended to have 3-5 playing rookies on the bench while most with 23/24/25 premos had 1-3 playing rookies.

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This is absolutely outstanding mate, much kudos 👏👏👏
 
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Interesting comparison. You posted a tweet in the pre season regarding the lack of depth of the Pies list, and Carlton having much better depth this year, my response at the time to it is below (if anyone really wants to follow back).

I honestly think that's the Pies big issue this year - they have been forced to rely on depth players this year due to injuries, and these players don't have the same level of experience that the team had last year in most matches, despite the average age of the list. It should help them for next year by getting games into these younger players on the squad - Geelong has bounced back after what happened last year (unfortunately), and I'd expect similar may happen with Collingwood.

I initially thought this was just trolling, but outside the Pies best 25 or so, there's not much in the way of experience. Frampton has played the 25th most with 40 games, and only 3 others have played 10+. Carlton do have 33 with 10+ games, 5 extra.
 
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