BBL|09 - Player Overviews/Considerations for Upcoming Season

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@7/11

Steyn will have 2 matches at Metricon , 1 in Moe , 1 in Launceston , 1 Sydney Showgrounds , 1 at the G.

Certainly will be watching the MSL with interest to see how fit he is.

Suspect he will be close to $ 200 k.

Will be hard starting Short , Stoinis , Steyn , Morris (?) from the get go , hopefully enough value batsmen around.

Great job with the previews , Seb Gotch is back for the Stars.

Don't forget Kurtis Patterson at the Scorchers.
 

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Apologies for those expecting the Sixers next, updated my squad list for the Thunder and just started doing their write ups first. Sixers should be up in hopefully 30-45 minutes.
Sydney Thunder

Jonathon Cook BWL $141,600: Was a great cheapie last season for those that hopped on and was a very good option for the thunder at the beginning of innings. Cook could find himself as the first choice spinner now the Fawad has gone to the Scorchers. However, I think we’ve squeezed every bit of juice that we could out of him cash wise.

Verdict: Risk

Oliver Davies BAT $42,000: Its rare I know barely anything about a NSW based player but I’ve not seen or heard a lot about the Aus 19’s representative. Plays for Manly on a fairly benign wicket and his numbers are largely unimpressive, so unless he’s in the team from day 1, I wouldn’t be moving mountains to grab him as a batsman cheapie.

Verdict: Cheapie

Brendan Doggett BWL $132,700: Quality quick that’s come from the Heat, looking for opportunities at the Thunder. Might not benefit from the slow surface at Spotless so might be a good one to avoid this season.

Verdict: Pass

Callum Ferguson BAT $134,600: The captain of the Thunder needs to have a big season if they are to feature in the finals series this time round. Had a few good knocks but too many in between where he did barely anything. Not the type of player you’d be looking at to produce consistent scores for you.

Verdict: Risk

Matt Gilkes WKP/BAT $96,700: Infamous for his drop of Shaun Marsh, then almost instantly hero status with the knock he played an hour or two later. Pretty sure that was his only game as he took a catch as a sub fielder a few games later. Will be one to watch if named, could fill that cheapie keeper spot nicely.

Verdict: Cheapie

Chris Green BWL $140,600: The male model has a lot of responsibility on his shoulders this season. We may see him elevated in the order in addition to his current role of bowling at tough times. Green has performed admirably and it is his batting that gets his SuperCoach scores up there, so here’s hoping he can get more time in the middle this BBL.

Verdict: Risk/Underrated

Alex Hales BAT $125,000: The English batsman returns to the BBL via the Thunder. Interesting choice of team, but might enjoy the smaller straight boundaries and slower wicket at Spotless, which are reminiscent of the pitches back home. Hits the ball a long way. Pricing will be the main issue on whether you select him or leave him out.

Verdict: Strongly Consider/Risk (pending price)

Usman Khawaja BAT $198,500: SuperCoach stud batsman, unfortunately we may not see a lot of him if he’s selected for tests this summer (again!). If unselected, it will be every man and his dog jumping on the Uzzie train, and who can blame him with the scarcely believable record he has in the BBL.

Verdict: Strongly Consider/Risk (pending test selection)

Jay Lenton WKP/BAT $106,200: Piqued my interest a couple seasons ago when he had a great T/20 tournament at grade level, but hasn’t had an extended run for the Thunder. Big chance of getting that this season with Buttler out. However, Gilkes presence in the squad means they’ll both be gunning for the keeper spot.

Verdict: Risk

Nathan McAndrew BWL $64,000: Has been around the Thunder setup for a while and never has made a fist of it. Hard to see him breaking into the squad with the new fast bowling stocks the Thunder have recruited. Would probably avoid unless there are injuries that thrust him into the squad (but even then would avoid).

Verdict: Pass

Chris Morris BAT/BWL $125,000: The South African international will definitely be of interest this BBL, with the slippery quick joining the Thunder. Again, price will be a big factor in his selection in a lot of teams, as will his availability.

Verdict: Risk/Strongly Consider (Price/Availability pending)

Arjun Nair:

Alex Ross BAT $81,200: Made the move to the Thunder after limited opportunities last season. I feel this is a great move by both the Thunder and Ross as he is adept at playing spin and should succeed playing at Spotless half the season. He is priced awkwardly, but if he is batting in the top 3 you should definitely consider drafting him in (pending salary cap).

Verdict: Underrated/Risk

Daniel Sams BAT/BWL $170,200: Went bang at the beginning of the year (much to my chagrin as I had him until the last minutes of pre-season), and then fizzled out as the year went on. Has the potential to be a big scorer and so should always be in consideration (especially given his price is less than the beginning of last season). Might hold his position in the middle order and hopefully will bowl in times where wickets come often.

Verdict: Strongly Consider/Risk

Gurinder Sandhu BWL $99,900: The G man had one decent game last season, but otherwise was pretty quiet. Should do better with the ball given his talent. His price is really awkward, so I’m not considering him this time round as job security may be an issue with the extra quicks in the Thunder lineup.

Verdict: Pass

Jason Sangha BAT $62,500: Quality young batsman coming through. Unfortunately, apart from 1-2 knocks, he didn’t really set the world on fire. The longer format is where his future lies, I believe, but it doesn’t mean you won’t be able to squeeze some cash out of him in the early season should you feel he’s got some runs in him.

Verdict: Pass/Cheapie

Chris Tremain BWL $137,600: Has come from the Renegades back home. Finished the season cheaper than the start, and with a change of team he could well grow a leg and be amongst the premium bowlers around. That said, his price is awkward and you might want to have a look before taking the punt.

Verdict: Risk
 

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All teams done! Let me know your thoughts. Will try and add the rest of the players I missed in a week or two when squads are all confirmed.
Sydney Sixers

Sean Abbott BWL $195,300: A ticking time bomb in terms of SuperCoach. Has the ability to go huge but tends to do it when he’s not in my team. Bowls at good times during the innings in terms of wicket taking, and can hit a long ball when required batting in the lower middle order. Not a real fan of him as a player, but as a SuperCoach prospect you should always consider him.

Verdict: Strongly Consider

Justin Avendano BAT $62,500: Useful batsman who plays up the top of the order generally. Didn’t set the world on fire in his limited opportunities, but should be better this time round. Might find it tough to break into the team though with the squad’s current makeup.

Verdict: Cheapie/Risk (pending selection)

Tom Curran BAT/BWL $210,000: Probably one of the quality finds of last BBL. Made some serious scores, with a 203 in round 2 and should be under consideration for your squad assuming availability is assured. Bowls at good times as well for the Sixers who are more of a defensive bowling unit, meaning he will be used at crucial times of the game.

Verdict: Strongly Consider (pending availability)

Ben Dwarshuis BWL $136,200: Bit of a tough guy to rate. He seems to pick up wickets consistently but also bowls a lot of rubbish in between. That said, he had a fairly lean season bar two matches. Heavily reliant on wickets and won’t play much of a role with the bat. Price is awkward so would avoid personally.

Verdict: Risk/Pass

Jack Edwards BAT $62,500: Hard hitting batsman that was probably thrust into the BBL a little earlier than he should’ve been, but will be better for last year’s experiences. Likely to bottom dollar again, so wouldn’t be a terrible punt despite burning a lot of us last season as a round 1 cheapie that remained in the squad for a majority of the season.

Verdict: Cheapie/Risk

Mickey Edwards BWL $73,700: Brother of Jack and had limited success at this level. Hard to see him getting much of a go again this season and even then has the capacity to go the distance against quality batsmen. Would avoid.

Verdict: Pass

Daniel Fallins BWL $62,500: Quality legspinner that’s been around the grade scene for a few years. May not get the opportunities with the spinners in the Sixers squad, but always a chance if injuries occur.

Verdict: Cheapie/Risk (pending selection)

Moises Henriques BAT/BWL $101,500: One of the biggest ‘what could’ve been’ stories of Australian cricket in the last 10-15 years. Has the potential to be a SuperCoach stud, but is as regular as a man with haemorrhoids. If he bowls consistently, then he’s a must have.

Verdict: Risk/Value (pending bowling)

Daniel Hughes BAT $115,500: Coming off some serious domestic form, Hughes will likely bat at the top of the order with Philippe. Has had success previously and there’s no reason why he can’t reproduce it, but the 120-130k price tag makes it difficult to take the punt.

Verdict: Risk

Peter Nevill WKP/BAT $62,500: Never been a fan of Nevill’s T/20 credentials, and realistically with Philippe in the squad should not be in the Sixers best XI. Even if he is, do not buy this trap.

Verdict: Pass

Stephen O'Keefe BWL $179,700: SOK had a fairly solid campaign list time around and will certainly be amongst the top 10-15 bowlers again. That said, his price doesn’t give us SuperCoaches the wiggle room some may have hoped for to take the punt on. If he’s got a favourable start to his draw, then maybe consider, but otherwise leave him until he is about 30-40k cheaper.

Verdict: Risk (wait until cheaper)

Josh Philippe WKP/BAT $123,000: Despite not being a cheapie anymore, Philippe is going to be one of my first players picked this season. Hard hitter of the ball and showing some decent form in the domestic one-day tournament, its not hard to like the young gun. Couldn’t recommend this guy more to be one of your keepers at the beginning of this season.

Verdict: Strongly Consider/Value

Lloyd Pope BWL $62,500: Had a couple of cracks for the Sixers last season. Personally, feel he’s another season away from being a right handful at this level, but don’t let that deter you if you have your mind set on the young legspinner.

Verdict: Risk/Cheapie

Jordan Silk BAT $86,300: Quality performer for the Sixers for a while, but had a season to forget last season. This means however, that he will be ultra cheap going into BBL09. He’s definitely a risky pick being a middle order bat, but given the young blokes that are ahead of him, he could find himself batting a little more than previous seasons.

Verdict: Risk/Cheapie

Henry Thornton BWL $42,000: Injuries curtailed his season in 18/19, so will be looking to try and get back to top form with the ball. Not really sure where he sits in the pecking order for the Sixers, but would assume it would be quite low in this squad.

Verdict: Cheapie (pending selection)

James Vince BAT $139,500: The English international had two quality scores in amongst some average ones, meaning his price isn’t too high but he’s another fella in the awkward price range. If he performs to his ability, he’s definitely in the top 10-15 batsmen in the competition. One to watch.

Verdict: Value/Risk
 

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Apologies for those expecting the Sixers next, updated my squad list for the Thunder and just started doing their write ups first. Sixers should be up in hopefully 30-45 minutes.
Sydney Thunder

Jonathon Cook: Was a great cheapie last season for those that hopped on and was a very good option for the thunder at the beginning of innings. Cook could find himself as the first choice spinner now the Fawad has gone to the Scorchers. However, I think we’ve squeezed every bit of juice that we could out of him cash wise.

Verdict: Risk

Oliver Davies: Its rare I know barely anything about a NSW based player but I’ve not seen or heard a lot about the Aus 19’s representative. Plays for Manly on a fairly benign wicket and his numbers are largely unimpressive, so unless he’s in the team from day 1, I wouldn’t be moving mountains to grab him as a batsman cheapie.

Verdict: Cheapie

Brendan Doggett: Quality quick that’s come from the Heat, looking for opportunities at the Thunder. Might not benefit from the slow surface at Spotless so might be a good one to avoid this season.

Verdict: Pass

Callum Ferguson: The captain of the Thunder needs to have a big season if they are to feature in the finals series this time round. Had a few good knocks but too many in between where he did barely anything. Not the type of player you’d be looking at to produce consistent scores for you.

Verdict: Risk

Matt Gilkes: Infamous for his drop of Shaun Marsh, then almost instantly hero status with the knock he played an hour or two later. Pretty sure that was his only game as he took a catch as a sub fielder a few games later. Will be one to watch if named, could fill that cheapie keeper spot nicely.

Verdict: Cheapie

Chris Green: The male model has a lot of responsibility on his shoulders this season. We may see him elevated in the order in addition to his current role of bowling at tough times. Green has performed admirably and it is his batting that gets his SuperCoach scores up there, so here’s hoping he can get more time in the middle this BBL.

Verdict: Risk/Underrated

Alex Hales: The English batsman returns to the BBL via the Thunder. Interesting choice of team, but might enjoy the smaller straight boundaries and slower wicket at Spotless, which are reminiscent of the pitches back home. Hits the ball a long way. Pricing will be the main issue on whether you select him or leave him out.

Verdict: Strongly Consider/Risk (pending price)

Usman Khawaja: SuperCoach stud batsman, unfortunately we may not see a lot of him if he’s selected for tests this summer (again!). If unselected, it will be every man and his dog jumping on the Uzzie train, and who can blame him with the scarcely believable record he has in the BBL.

Verdict: Strongly Consider/Risk (pending test selection)

Jay Lenton: Piqued my interest a couple seasons ago when he had a great T/20 tournament at grade level, but hasn’t had an extended run for the Thunder. Big chance of getting that this season with Buttler out. However, Gilkes presence in the squad means they’ll both be gunning for the keeper spot.

Verdict: Risk

Nathan McAndrew: Has been around the Thunder setup for a while and never has made a fist of it. Hard to see him breaking into the squad with the new fast bowling stocks the Thunder have recruited. Would probably avoid unless there are injuries that thrust him into the squad (but even then would avoid).

Verdict: Pass

Chris Morris: The South African international will definitely be of interest this BBL, with the slippery quick joining the Thunder. Again, price will be a big factor in his selection in a lot of teams, as will his availability.

Verdict: Risk/Strongly Consider (Price/Availability pending)

Arjun Nair:

Alex Ross: Made the move to the Thunder after limited opportunities last season. I feel this is a great move by both the Thunder and Ross as he is adept at playing spin and should succeed playing at Spotless half the season. He is priced awkwardly, but if he is batting in the top 3 you should definitely consider drafting him in (pending salary cap).

Verdict: Underrated/Risk

Daniel Sams: Went bang at the beginning of the year (much to my chagrin as I had him until the last minutes of pre-season), and then fizzled out as the year went on. Has the potential to be a big scorer and so should always be in consideration (especially given his price is less than the beginning of last season). Might hold his position in the middle order and hopefully will bowl in times where wickets come often.

Verdict: Strongly Consider/Risk

Gurinder Sandhu: The G man had one decent game last season, but otherwise was pretty quiet. Should do better with the ball given his talent. His price is really awkward, so I’m not considering him this time round as job security may be an issue with the extra quicks in the Thunder lineup.

Verdict: Pass

Jason Sangha: Quality young batsman coming through. Unfortunately, apart from 1-2 knocks, he didn’t really set the world on fire. The longer format is where his future lies, I believe, but it doesn’t mean you won’t be able to squeeze some cash out of him in the early season should you feel he’s got some runs in him.

Verdict: Pass/Cheapie

Chris Tremain: Has come from the Renegades back home. Finished the season cheaper than the start, and with a change of team he could well grow a leg and be amongst the premium bowlers around. That said, his price is awkward and you might want to have a look before taking the punt.

Verdict: Risk
I just found this and it is so damn good. I felt like I had to go into the basement of SC scores just to find it so I would love for it to be easier to find on the front page. An update with the new prices and analysis of DGW players would be awesome. Keep up the good work 7/11.
 

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I just found this and it is so damn good. I felt like I had to go into the basement of SC scores just to find it so I would love for it to be easier to find on the front page. An update with the new prices and analysis of DGW players would be awesome. Keep up the good work 7/11.
Unfortunately a bit tough with the inability for me to edit the posts. You might have to deal with the price stuff on your own as it’s quite a job, but I’ll definitely have a DGW analysis before the season starts in this thread.
 

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I promised this last week in the other main thread so I'll pump this out so you can have this ready to peruse

Death Bowlers List

Ben Laughlin (Adelaide Strikers)
Josh Lalor (Brisbane Heat)
James Faulkner (Hobart Hurricanes)
Scott Boland (Hobart Hurricanes)
Harry Gurney (Melbourne Renegades)
Andrew Tye (Perth Scorchers) INJURED
Sean Abbott (Sydney Sixers)
Tom Curran (Sydney Sixers)
Chris Morris (Sydney Thunder)


You may be wondering 'why is this list so short?' Well the reason being is that the 9 bowlers above are the ones who consistently bowl at the death. Guys that are in the next list are bowlers who sometimes bowl at the death or will change roles throughout the season.

Sometimes Death Bowlers List

Wes Agar (Adelaide Strikers)
Ben Cutting (Brisbane Heat)
Mark Steketee (Brisbane Heat)
James Pattinson (Brisbane Heat)
Dan Christian (Melbourne Renegades)
Jack Wildermuth (Melbourne Renegades)
Nathan Coulter-Nile (Melbourne Stars)
Dale Steyn (Melbourne Stars)
Jackson Coleman (Melbourne Stars)
Jhye Richardson (Perth Scorchers)
Matthew Kelly (Perth Scorchers)
Ben Dwarshuis (Sydney Sixers)
Gurinder Sandhu (Sydney Thunder)
Daniel Sams (Sydney Thunder)
Chris Tremain (Sydney Thunder)


What you can decipher from these lists is that the Stars don't have a specialist death bowler with some of their new ball bowlers being in the 'sometimes' list. This means that their bowlers will likely change roles each match pending situation which could mean a huge fluctuation in scores. Some of these players may not even play some games for their franchises, so it will be interesting to see how round 1 teams shape up.
 

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As promised here are the DGW Round Players Must Haves and To Consider lists for Round 1. Will try and do the others over the next few weeks. Kinda got tired of writing up the last few players so have just listed them for now.

Round 1
Must Haves
Tom Curran:
Bowls death overs, is a quality batsman when required and athletic in the field. Makes things happen when he's involved and will definitely be one of the top 3 captaincy choices come Round 1. Safe captaincy choice if you have a stab at a VC from the Heat or Thunder for the first match of the round.

Ben Cutting: Massive potential for points but inconsistent. Fortunately he might be consistently bowling more overs with less bowling stocks about the Heat this season. However, he may not be batting as high as he did at times last season with Banton joining the team as a specialist opener. Great VC choice if you're willing to take a punt.

Usman Khawaja: Uzzie is set for a huge BBL if he doesn't get selected for the NZ series. Dominates the BBL when he comes back to it and has a great start up draw vs the Heat and Renegades on friendly ovals (GABBA and Geelong).

Chris Morris: The South African quick is my absolute must for the round 1 double as he will definitely take wickets and cause some havoc if he can pump up the pace. If he bowls the death overs like he's been touted to, he is a genuine bargain for SuperCoaches. Cannot express how much of a must this guy is and I haven't even mentioned his handiness with the bat.

To Consider
Tom Banton:
The English import has a big reputation to uphold and has a great opportunity to start off with a bang with his double. Hits the ball to the legside very hard, with his strikes over mid on a feature of his batting. Does like to play the reverse sweep and the ramp, which is a trademark of the new generation of batsmen these days. Could well be a top 10 batsman if he starts off on the right foot.

Sean Abbott: Repeat offender at disappointing me but I can't discredit his knack for racking up SuperCoach points. Bowls at the death regularly and is set for a big season with the T/20 WC around the corner. If you don't start him, you could potentially miss out on a 300+ score as if he gets on a roll he takes decent hauls. Can bat as well if required.

Chris Lynn: The remaining member of the Bash Bros. Had a rather disappointing season last time round but he is hellbent on getting himself into the T/20 WC, so he could well have a massive campaign to ensure his spot. I'll likely be without him, but its mainly because I can't fit him in.

Matt Renshaw: Bowls and potentially bats top 4 for the Heat. If they decide to keep Ur Rahman for the middle overs then Renshaw is a huge chance of opening the bowling for 1 if not 2 overs. Showed his skills in a couple of innings last season so could well do a good job for SuperCoaches during the double round.

Daniel Sams
Moises Henriques
Chris Tremain
Josh Philippe
 

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Hi guys,
A question from a newbie

How much do player prices move?
eg

If a 42k player has a 'great game' round 1, what does that do to their price.
Likewise let's say Chris Morris misses game 1, plays game 2 and has a 'great game', where does he go from 125k come round 2?

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Hi guys,
A question from a newbie

How much do player prices move?
eg

If a 42k player has a 'great game' round 1, what does that do to their price.
Likewise let's say Chris Morris misses game 1, plays game 2 and has a 'great game', where does he go from 125k come round 2?

Cheers
@THCLT knows how to do it very accurately, but I’ll try and explain how I think it works.

Basically, it is a three game average like in AFL SC but prices move after one game. So the first movement is based on first game score with the other two scores (to make up 3 scores) calculated according to the player’s starting price. In the Morris example it will be calculated like he played just one game, but his team mates who played two games will have new prices based off two scores with just one score using starting price average.

EDIT: so there is less movement to players prices who play one game - eg a $42k player who scores 100 won’t jump by a huge amount after one game, but a second 100 will make a much larger jump.
 
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Hi guys,
A question from a newbie

How much do player prices move?
eg

If a 42k player has a 'great game' round 1, what does that do to their price.
Likewise let's say Chris Morris misses game 1, plays game 2 and has a 'great game', where does he go from 125k come round 2?

Cheers
@THCLT knows how to do it very accurately, but I’ll try and explain how I think it works.
Based on last season's Magic Number (MN), a $42k and $125k player are priced to average approx. 15.5 and 46.1 respectively.

Below are a few scenarios in order for you to get a feel for potential price movements post Rd1.

If a $42k player scores X his Rd2 price will be approx. Y with a BE of Z
50 = $49.8k BE -10
75 = $55.4k BE -29
100 = $61.1k BE -48

If a $125k player scores X his Rd2 price will be approx. Y with a BE of Z
50 = $125.9k BE 43
75 = $131k BE 24
100 = $137.2k BE 6

Hope that helps.
 
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Based on last season's Magic Number (MN), a $42k and $125k player are priced to average approx. 15.5 and 46.1 respectively.

Below are a few scenarios in order for you to get a feel for potential price movements post Rd1.

If a $42k player scores X his Rd2 price will be approx. Y with a BE of Z
50 = $49.8k BE -10
75 = $55.4k BE -29
100 = $61.1k BE -48

If a $125k player scores X his Rd2 price will be approx. Y with a BE of Z
50 = $125.9k BE 43
75 = $131k BE 24
100 = $137.2k BE 6

Hope that helps.
Q.E.D.
 

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Another way of looking at it is that previous players backing up are priced from the end of last seasons BBL ..

- Edit: scores, season average and form to a lessor degree ...

So to give a small sample size:

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- Stoinis:
 
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