Discussion BBL|10 SuperCoach: Fixture, Strategy, Player & Team Discussions ***Starts 10th DEC***

Will you be starting Darcy Short, BAT/BWL ($245,200), in BBL|10 SuperCoach?

  • YES

    Votes: 45 70.3%
  • NO

    Votes: 5 7.8%
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It helps that I can move him from wkp to bat if needed as well as loophole to start with. May look to turf him when the DGR’s aren’t as much of an issue.
With having all of Bazley, Nielsen, Holt and Scott I was expecting to see a stronger on field line up ..... where is the future cash generation or holding current value going to come from ?? ... just my initial thoughts as I think with the scoring changes most players (especially the high end ones) will lose value early on
 

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It helps that I can move him from wkp to bat if needed as well as loophole to start with. May look to turf him when the DGR’s aren’t as much of an issue.
If you start him as a loophole, you really shouldn't be trading him out unless he plays games and makes money. Might be a wasted trade down the track.

Also I'm just trying to explain that you really only gain 2 rounds of extra looping over those that start a combo of Nielsen/Dunk. Rounds 4, 6, 7, 8 whether you play him as a wkp or a bat as you said... he does nothing for you playing the first game of the round for those rounds.

On the flipside someone starting Dunk/Wildermuth/Bryant/Hughes/Turner could gain some money for them over the first 8 rounds. (Maybe try to find a bit of cash to get one of them?)

So you just gotta weigh up 2 extra rounds of looping vs 8 rounds of cash gen.
 
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If you start him as a loophole, you really shouldn't be trading him out unless he plays games and makes money. Might be a wasted trade down the track.

Also I'm just trying to explain that you really only gain 2 rounds of extra looping over those that start a combo of Nielsen/Dunk. Rounds 4, 6, 7, 8 whether you play him as a wkp or a bat as you said... he does nothing for you playing the first game of the round for those rounds.

On the flipside someone starting Dunk/Wildermuth (using them as examples because you have enough cash to do Holt to either of them) could gain some money for them over the first 8 rounds.

So you just gotta weigh up 2 extra rounds of looping vs 8 rounds of cash gen.
Bit annoying that Nielsen is priced at $62,500 .. that implies an average of 22 when he only went at 14 last year ...
- Brand new players such as Pucovski are priced at $42k with an implied average of 15 ...
 
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I guess this all relies on some of the low priced guys getting games. If Wildermuth and Bazley play that would be handy as well as Nielsen and Scott. Could fall apart before it begins but I think Dunk is likely to do as poorly as any of the low priced guys. Looking forward if low priced players are looking unlikely or not going to really bat/bowl I’ll trade out Phillipe and upgrade some bench players but not seeing much under $100k I really want to put on the bench currently. Turner, Hughes and Bryant maybe. Holts mostly just saving cash and being able to move him around is a bonus. TBH my starting team is likely going to be fairly different by the time the season starts.
Thanks for the feedback as well guys, useful information to keep help me keep tinkering away.
 
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Have been having a lazy Sunday morning looking over last years figures and pulled a table together that might help with structure strategy.

I have ranked the SC scores from each team in each match from highest to lowest then taken the average of the highest ranked score, then next highest etc down to lowest. There was quite a difference between the winning team and losing team, so I have also separated that out.

The other thing I wanted to do was the same process for the combined scores for a team having a DGW because I knew the highest scoring player in a DGW won’t necessarily get 2 x highest single game score. When I was doing this I noticed they were affected more by washouts and matches decided on D/L method - probably due to smaller sample size. Therefore, I removed DGR calculations where at least one game was affected and also looked at minimum and maximum combined scores to get an idea of range. Also may teams have more than 11 players feature in a DGR so the table just shows the highest 11 averages and there will be some scores that were used to calculate the average where a player only played one game.

Note that my data I used to calculate averages may have some typo errors, but should give a rough enough guide to get people thinking ... so hope it helps!

I find this sort of data helpful for working out how many players I should be picking from any single team in any given round ... then I move on to working out who they should be!

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Have been having a lazy Sunday morning looking over last years figures and pulled a table together that might help with structure strategy.

I have ranked the SC scores from each team in each match from highest to lowest then taken the average of the highest ranked score, then next highest etc down to lowest. There was quite a difference between the winning team and losing team, so I have also separated that out.

The other thing I wanted to do was the same process for the combined scores for a team having a DGW because I knew the highest scoring player in a DGW won’t necessarily get 2 x highest single game score. When I was doing this I noticed they were affected more by washouts and matches decided on D/L method - probably due to smaller sample size. Therefore, I removed DGR calculations where at least one game was affected and also looked at minimum and maximum combined scores to get an idea of range. Also may teams have more than 11 players feature in a DGR so the table just shows the highest 11 averages and there will be some scores that were used to calculate the average where a player only played one game.

Note that my data I used to calculate averages may have some typo errors, but should give a rough enough guide to get people thinking ... so hope it helps!

I find this sort of data helpful for working out how many players I should be picking from any single team in any given round ... then I move on to working out who they should be!

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Terrific stats!

So assuming I’ve understood this correctly:

- The 4th best DGR scorer is roughly equivalent to the best SGR scorer, with c. 110, and

- The 8th best DGR scorer is equivalent to the 4th best DGR scorer, with c. 53.

To me this is quite compelling in favour of DGR players, particularly because you can also get the high point scorers cheaper (the 8th best DGR scorer will typically be much cheaper than the 4th best SGR scorers).

- Looking only at SGR scorers, the top 5 in wins get to 50+ (based on averages), but only the top 3 in losses, and

- For the top 5 SGR scorers (ie those we are likely to be targeting), getting a win instead of a loss is worth c. 20-30 points (ie quite material).
 
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Have been having a lazy Sunday morning looking over last years figures and pulled a table together that might help with structure strategy.

I have ranked the SC scores from each team in each match from highest to lowest then taken the average of the highest ranked score, then next highest etc down to lowest. There was quite a difference between the winning team and losing team, so I have also separated that out.

The other thing I wanted to do was the same process for the combined scores for a team having a DGW because I knew the highest scoring player in a DGW won’t necessarily get 2 x highest single game score. When I was doing this I noticed they were affected more by washouts and matches decided on D/L method - probably due to smaller sample size. Therefore, I removed DGR calculations where at least one game was affected and also looked at minimum and maximum combined scores to get an idea of range. Also may teams have more than 11 players feature in a DGR so the table just shows the highest 11 averages and there will be some scores that were used to calculate the average where a player only played one game.

Note that my data I used to calculate averages may have some typo errors, but should give a rough enough guide to get people thinking ... so hope it helps!

I find this sort of data helpful for working out how many players I should be picking from any single team in any given round ... then I move on to working out who they should be!

View attachment 22897
That is brilliant data that underpins a couple of things I think we'd kind of assumed here for a while:
* 3-4 DGW players per side looks a good fit, so long as you pick the right ones (with 4th best being roughly equivalent to the top performer in any other given team)
* There's enough of a difference between the winning and losing team's scores (around 30%!) that trying to predict the best teams season-wide is a worthwhile proposition for building your starting lineup

I assume this is using the old scoring system? I doubt the new one would make too much difference from a relative perspective, it'd probably just shift all the numbers down a few percent, but it might matter as far as trying to predict price movements and the like.
 
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That is brilliant data that underpins a couple of things I think we'd kind of assumed here for a while:
* 3-4 DGW players per side looks a good fit, so long as you pick the right ones (with 4th best being roughly equivalent to the top performer in any other given team)
* There's enough of a difference between the winning and losing team's scores (around 30%!) that trying to predict the best teams season-wide is a worthwhile proposition for building your starting lineup

I assume this is using the old scoring system? I doubt the new one would make too much difference from a relative perspective, it'd probably just shift all the numbers down a few percent, but it might matter as far as trying to predict price movements and the like.
Yes that is last years scoring system. I think @Damion23 has said around about 8 points less under the new scoring system, so I’m guess that’s 80-90 less points across a team in a match. My guess is the top end will drop more than the bottom end.
 
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If you start him as a loophole, you really shouldn't be trading him out unless he plays games and makes money. Might be a wasted trade down the track.

Also I'm just trying to explain that you really only gain 2 rounds of extra looping over those that start a combo of Nielsen/Dunk. Rounds 4, 6, 7, 8 whether you play him as a wkp or a bat as you said... he does nothing for you playing the first game of the round for those rounds.

On the flipside someone starting Dunk/Wildermuth/Bryant/Hughes/Turner could gain some money for them over the first 8 rounds. (Maybe try to find a bit of cash to get one of them?)

So you just gotta weigh up 2 extra rounds of looping vs 8 rounds of cash gen.
Great post

I guess the appealing thing is his starting price , but if he isn't much use as a loophole then probably not much point.

The issue is not a lot of the other cheaper keepers seem to have much JS to make enough $$$ to then warrant a trade down in Round 9.

Nielsen should have Carey

Peirson could have Banton

Dunk/Gotch should have Bairstow/Pooran

Gilkes/Holt should have Billings

From my understanding the 3 English guys could be available from Round 4 onwards.

Guess you need to start someone as WK bench so do you go cheapest now or spend $ 62.5 and somehow hope they make some $$$ to make a trade down in the future or try and make it up on your starting team.

Scorchers possibly the best option for VC/C but Bancroft & Whiteman are probably too expensive to start on the bench (Whiteman may not even make the starting XI with Livingstone & Roy missing)

Maybe use Bench WK to generate $$$ and find another Scorcher donut to use as a donut for VC/C on another line.

Have some thinking to do
 

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I’m keeping it fairly simple when it comes to selecting my keepers for my starting team.

Whichever of Dunk or Gotch is named highest in the batting order will be selected on field. Whichever of Handscomb or McDermott is named highest in the batting order will be on my bench. Then will bring the Hurricane on field the following round for their DG and move the Star to the bench.

Will most likely trade one or both early, if hanging on to both at any time then one will be on WK bench and the other on the BAT bench.

Aiming to bring in Philippe at the start of round 3 and play him as WK more often than not.
 
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WKP keeps changing daily. Bancroft in now. Sixers playing the first game prevents me from starting Phillipe with my messed up strategies for future rounds.

I'll most likely sit on this now, untill the many manic changes I'll do minutes prior to the first ball bowled.

Am I right thinking Bancroft has 11.6% ownership?
 
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WKP keeps changing daily. Bancroft in now. Sixers playing the first game prevents me from starting Phillipe with my messed up strategies for future rounds.

I'll most likely sit on this now, untill the many manic changes I'll do minutes prior to the first ball bowled.

Am I right thinking Bancroft has 11.6% ownership?
Does Bancroft hold his spot when Livingstone & Roy are both available though ?

Suspect the 3 OS , Inglis , Marsh & Turner play ahead of him.

Agar @ 7 , 3 pace + Fawad
 

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Hey guys, can anyone tell me if Hales is available for round 1, or does he get here after Christmas ?
Posted the below a few pages back. Easy for it to get lost so will post again;

I believe the following internationals will be available from game 1 of the BBL season;

Strikers: Rashid, Briggs, Salt
Heat: Lawrence, Mujeeb
Hurricanes: Jacks, Ingram
Renegades: Nabi, Rossouw, Ahmad
Stars: Zahir
Scorchers: Munro, Clarke
Sixers: Brathwaite, Vince
Thunder: Hales, Milne
 
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I’m keeping it fairly simple when it comes to selecting my keepers for my starting team.

Whichever of Dunk or Gotch is named highest in the batting order will be selected on field. Whichever of Handscomb or McDermott is named highest in the batting order will be on my bench. Then will bring the Hurricane on field the following round for their DG and move the Star to the bench.

Will most likely trade one or both early, if hanging on to both at any time then one will be on WK bench and the other on the BAT bench.

Aiming to bring in Philippe at the start of round 3 and play him as WK more often than not.
What score would you lock in from Handscomb/McDermott before looking for a WK donut or happy to back Dunk/Gotch in on their DGR and stick to your plan ?
 

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What score would you lock in from Handscomb/McDermott before looking for a WK donut or happy to back Dunk/Gotch in on their DGR and stick to your plan ?
Good question. I think 50+ and I would have a think about utilising a WK donut.

Would really prefer no donut at all though.
 
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Good question. I think 50+ and I would have a think about utilising a WK donut.

Would really prefer no donut at all though.
I wonder in that case then you just play the Hurricanes keeper direct onfield from the first match.

Are you not going to VC Short just in case he pumps out something massive ? and then will need a 🍩 to take his score.

Sixers bowling attack without Abbott , Bird & Curran in all likelihood.
 

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I wonder in that case then you just play the Hurricanes keeper direct onfield from the first match.

Are you not going to VC Short just in case he pumps out something massive ? and then will need a 🍩 to take his score.

Sixers bowling attack without Abbott , Bird & Curran in all likelihood.
Nah, will definitely keep the ‘Cane on the bench for round 1. They could easily score poorly so I would have their score stuck on field while a DG Dunk or Gotch could easily outscore them.

I will VC Short but wouldn’t be locking in anything less than 100 with Stoinis as C.
 
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