BBL|12: Combined SCS Team

[Ironhawk]

Boult should always be an out (too much money to bench) , I won't suggest trading Rashid out (but eventually he has to go) , so it's either him or Short.

If Rossouw fails again he needs to be considered as he could lose way too much cash for Round 3 options.

I gather the intentions with Gilkes is to eventually park him as WK2.

Lynn makes sense as a in and out , depends on his BE at the end of the Round v Rossouw.

As for the Scorchers could be any of Agar , du Plessis , Mills , Richardson, Tye as a priority then make a case for any/all of Bancroft (not a fan) , Behrendorff , Hardie , Inglis (already have) , Lyth (not sure personally) , Turner (warming to him this season for some reason personally)

Thunder - > Heat in Round 3 become interesting after last night's game

If Richardson is named in their starting XI he would be my priority # 1.

Good point to look at BE's, it is something I will definitely consider with trades, as it could really hurt future trade plans. Luckily these are provided for us so generously each year by Tails and crew. Rossouw I thought might be a risky pick, so he definitely has to lift in game 2.

Agree with most of your suggested ins there. I personally prefer 3 bowlers based on the scoring balance from recent matches which is the only reason I didn't choose Faf. I am predicting that whichever of the four bowlers you named we don't choose will end up being the best scorer as usual, but hoping for once that doesn't happen.

Gilkes I'm not sure on. He's a wait and see over the next few games for me. Possibly getting parked on the bench, but might end up worth less than Handscomb after Rd 2 if he keeps scoring like last night. Not just my decision of course.

 

[Ironhawk]

Got scared off Stoinis as VC once I heard the Covid news and switched it to Sams (the most popular VC option in the gameday topic). Very glad I did, and unless there are any objections, I'll be locking this in as C (Connolly gets the C). The rest of the team stayed as mentioned.

Current scores:

Gilkes 0 (not looped unfortunately)

Sams 66 x2, Hales 16, Stoinis 0 (another ugh). Rossouw scored 10 as E which I suggest we don't take and use Lynn on field instead.

Boult 68, Farooqi 79, Zampa 60. Green 85 as E which I suggest we do loop on field via Connolly.

Total to date is 440 from 9 score involvements (48.88 per SI). A little bit below what I was hoping for, but with two zero scores included in that total, it is not terrible, and there will be plenty in worse shape. We have a solid side with plenty of scoring ability, especially among the bowlers. I'm confident we will do well with another 15 SI still to come.

266 points today from our 3 players has us at 706 points (58.83 per SI) at the half way point of the round with 12 SI to come. Good enough for me, just a pity I didn't keep the C on Short. It will probably be tough to maintain that average, so I'll enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[Darkie]

266 points today from our 3 players has us at 706 points (58.83 per SI) at the half way point of the round with 12 SI to come. Good enough for me, just a pity I didn't keep the C on Short. It will probably be tough to maintain that average, so I'll enjoy it while it lasts.

Nice start!!

 

[Ironhawk]

Nice start!!

Not as good as some though.

 

[Darkie]

Not as good as some though.

Funny you mention that! I guess we probably shouldn’t expect this side to do better than all of its “constituent sides” on a round by round basis … but I reckon it will accumulate ground on them by having fewer really bad rounds, and should benefit from compounding due to early cash gen if we can be smart about it.

 

[Ironhawk]

One thing we need to decide today: do we make the two suggested team changes on the bench (Mujeeb to Swepson, Wade to Billings), or keep as is? This needs to be decided before the game starts tonight.

Making both trades will leave us with $4,300, however will give us 2 DGR already for Rd 3. I think trades in Rd 3 will determine the season for many - this seems a perfect time to either win or lose the comp with Thunder going from back to back DGR's to a bye. Having extra flexibility in that round by already having two DGR locked in could give our team an advantage. I am leaning to making both trades myself, but want to hear other's thoughts.

Also, based on tonight, I'm probably leaning to wanting to keep both Short and Khan. Possibly too early to call, with pretty much everyone in our team still with another game to play, but maybe trading out one of our weaker Thunder players after this round instead does have a lot of merit.

 

[Darkie]

One thing we need to decide today: do we make the two suggested team changes on the bench (Mujeeb to Swepson, Wade to Billings), or keep as is? This needs to be decided before the game starts tonight.

Making both trades will leave us with $4,300, however will give us 2 DGR already for Rd 3. I think trades in Rd 3 will determine the season for many - this seems a perfect time to either win or lose the comp with Thunder going from back to back DGR's to a bye. Having extra flexibility in that round by already having two DGR locked in could give our team an advantage. I am leaning to making both trades myself, but want to hear other's thoughts.

Also, based on tonight, I'm probably leaning to wanting to keep both Short and Khan. Possibly too early to call, with pretty much everyone in our team still with another game to play, but maybe trading out one of our weaker Thunder players after this round instead does have a lot of merit.

I think that keeping Short in particular is worth exploring, given his role is probably in the top two in the comp (along with Sams’). Rashid is a gun, but unless he starts batting a lot more, he’s fairly priced on his output over multiple years, so there’s no particular reason to keep him as I see it. I think we can spread that cash across DGR players, who should score twice as much collectively. It’s like in AFL SC - you don’t pinch pennies on your captain, you get the best one. I think DGRs in BBL should follow the same principle, it’s just that we need to get used to trading out guns if we’re going to do that 🙂

I am in the Wade/Mujeeb camp personally (as in that’s exactly what I have - I think both are better players than their alternates). Obviously it depends on what the collective view is though - maybe the X vs Y thread is an option if we don’t have a large sample in here just yet?

Round 3 looks like a good round for a boost to me, although if there are strong cash cows earlier or later, I think that’s an option as well. I think starting cash gen early is super helpful, and something that a lot of sides might underemphasise given a DGR heavy fixture.

 

[Herbie66]

One thing we need to decide today: do we make the two suggested team changes on the bench (Mujeeb to Swepson, Wade to Billings), or keep as is? This needs to be decided before the game starts tonight.

Making both trades will leave us with $4,300, however will give us 2 DGR already for Rd 3. I think trades in Rd 3 will determine the season for many - this seems a perfect time to either win or lose the comp with Thunder going from back to back DGR's to a bye. Having extra flexibility in that round by already having two DGR locked in could give our team an advantage. I am leaning to making both trades myself, but want to hear other's thoughts.

Also, based on tonight, I'm probably leaning to wanting to keep both Short and Khan. Possibly too early to call, with pretty much everyone in our team still with another game to play, but maybe trading out one of our weaker Thunder players after this round instead does have a lot of merit.

Certainly hope we take this massive opportunity available and jump on the front foot and bring both Billings & Swepson in.

Opens up so many options for Round 3 trades

Wade bench , bench , play , play , Bye - what's the point 🤔

Billings bench , Bye , DGR , then trade out to Philippe

Will need to wait until after the completion of second games and check BE before offering my trade opinions.

 

[Chumpion]

One thing we need to decide today: do we make the two suggested team changes on the bench (Mujeeb to Swepson, Wade to Billings), or keep as is? This needs to be decided before the game starts tonight.

Making both trades will leave us with $4,300, however will give us 2 DGR already for Rd 3. I think trades in Rd 3 will determine the season for many - this seems a perfect time to either win or lose the comp with Thunder going from back to back DGR's to a bye. Having extra flexibility in that round by already having two DGR locked in could give our team an advantage. I am leaning to making both trades myself, but want to hear other's thoughts.

Also, based on tonight, I'm probably leaning to wanting to keep both Short and Khan. Possibly too early to call, with pretty much everyone in our team still with another game to play, but maybe trading out one of our weaker Thunder players after this round instead does have a lot of merit.

I think keeping Short/Khan throw a spanner in the works with these trades, as I was initially in the Billings/Swepson camp however I think we might need to pivot from that if we want to have the cash/trades to maximise the PS players.

Given (as Herbie pointed out) this spot is effectively not needed for on field (bench, bench, then we'd want Billings into Philippe) what if we went Wade down to Handscomb and then took Mujeeb up to someone like Tye/Agar? That will get us ahead on the PS players, with potentially the flex to keep Short and made Rash. Otherwise I think we need their cash to fund the trade outs?

Sorry you're looking to narrow it down and I've thrown a 3rd option in but thought it was worth highlighting..

 

[Ironhawk]

I think keeping Short/Khan throw a spanner in the works with these trades, as I was initially in the Billings/Swepson camp however I think we might need to pivot from that if we want to have the cash/trades to maximise the PS players.

Given (as Herbie pointed out) this spot is effectively not needed for on field (bench, bench, then we'd want Billings into Philippe) what if we went Wade down to Handscomb and then took Mujeeb up to someone like Tye/Agar? That will get us ahead on the PS players, with potentially the flex to keep Short and made Rash. Otherwise I think we need their cash to fund the trade outs?

Sorry you're looking to narrow it down and I've thrown a 3rd option in but thought it was worth highlighting..

No need to apologise, it seems to make sense without going through it in detail. Definitely worth considering, so I appreciate it.

I'm still really not sure on the whole keeper situation which seems the key to what we do. Getting a trade in early for either Rd 2 or Rd 3 does seem like a good plan though, and is probably more use than bench cover.

 

[Ironhawk]

I think keeping Short/Khan throw a spanner in the works with these trades, as I was initially in the Billings/Swepson camp however I think we might need to pivot from that if we want to have the cash/trades to maximise the PS players.

Given (as Herbie pointed out) this spot is effectively not needed for on field (bench, bench, then we'd want Billings into Philippe) what if we went Wade down to Handscomb and then took Mujeeb up to someone like Tye/Agar? That will get us ahead on the PS players, with potentially the flex to keep Short and made Rash. Otherwise I think we need their cash to fund the trade outs?

Sorry you're looking to narrow it down and I've thrown a 3rd option in but thought it was worth highlighting..

I have had a look at probable trade options after this round, and the cash available and I think this is actually the way to go for maximum flexibility. I am looking at Wade/Mujeeb to Handscomb/Richardson (the player who seems the most locked in to pick for next round). This gives us a bank of $52,500.

If there's any objections, you have about 14 mins. Gives us 2 players unlikely to play (Connolly/ Handscomb), but I don't think this is a bad thing.

 

[Chumpion]

I have had a look at probable trade options after this round, and the cash available and I think this is actually the way to go for maximum flexibility. I am looking at Wade/Mujeeb to Handscomb/Richardson (the player who seems the most locked in to pick for next round). This gives us a bank of $52,500.

If there's any objections, you have about 14 mins.

Sounds good mate!

 

[Ironhawk]

No change to the scores from that last match, just thought I'd post the team as is now to help with planning trades for next round (which starts Saturday evening).

 

[Herbie66]

Do we have a rough idea of which Scorchers we want Round 2 ?

I would be inclined to change Richardson to Tye or Agar (if either are on the radar) just in case Richardson is not named for their first game.

 

[Ironhawk]

Do we have a rough idea of which Scorchers we want Round 2 ?

I would be inclined to change Richardson to Tye or Agar (if either are on the radar) just in case Richardson is not named for their first game.

I'm not too fussed. Those were the three players I was thinking as the best options to bring in this week, but I'd prefer it to be a group decision where possible, not just mine as to who our trades are.

I believe more people had suggested trading in Richardson than any other player, and I seem to recall a tweet a day or two back saying he was training fully. I thought it was relatively low risk, but I'd be happy to switch to another Scorcher if people want to be conservative. It shouldn't make too much difference to our bank balance either way, especially if we were bringing in both players anyway.

 

[Herbie66]

So looking at that for Round 2

ST - 6
PS - 2

+ Lynn , Rashid , Short

Imagine we trade out Boult - > ?

& try and bench Stoinis & Zampa with Connolly & Handscomb + 1 other

Interesting choices to make

 

[Herbie66]

I'm not too fussed. Those were the three players I was thinking as the best options to bring in this week, but I'd prefer it to be a group decision where possible, not just mine as to who our trades are.

I believe more people had suggested trading in Richardson than any other player, and I seem to recall a tweet a day or two back saying he was training fully. I thought it was relatively low risk, but I'd be happy to switch to another Scorcher if people want to be conservative. It shouldn't make too much difference to our bank balance either way, especially if we were bringing in both players anyway.

Sorry , I probably (over) think too much and would rather eliminate any possible risk if we can , if he is not named it just becomes a waste of a spot , if he is is named , everything is fine.

 

[Ironhawk]

So looking at that for Round 2

ST - 6
PS - 2

+ Lynn , Rashid , Short

Imagine we trade out Boult & try and bench Stoinis & Zampa with Connolly & Handscomb

Interesting choices to make

Honestly, I think it depends how much prices move on various players, and what happens in these next two games. I do think Boult will likely be one traded, but you can make arguments for various others. For example, the Thunder have a double, but if you look at Rds 2 and 3 combined, they play 2 matches, just like most other teams (except Perth and the Stars). We can trade out 4 Thunder max in Rd 3 (with a boost) - do we want to carry 2 Thunder on the bench in Rd 3? Might we be better off with bringing in a Renegade/6er this round who also have two games across Rd 2 and Rd 3, but might be much better value?

I was originally leaning to Boult/Lynn/Rossouw as my opinion on the three trade outs, but it will largely depend on this next game. If Rossouw gets a big score, he looks a lot more appealing to keep for another round, another low score and I'd probably prefer to see him go. Going to be a fun Friday night/Saturday sorting out what our best trades might be, and trying to get any sort of consensus on these.

 

[Herbie66]

Honestly, I think it depends how much prices move on various players, and what happens in these next two games. I do think Boult will likely be one traded, but you can make arguments for various others. For example, the Thunder have a double, but if you look at Rds 2 and 3 combined, they play 2 matches, just like most other teams (except Perth and the Stars). We can trade out 4 Thunder max in Rd 3 (with a boost) - do we want to carry 2 Thunder on the bench in Rd 3? Might we be better off with bringing in a Renegade/6er this round who also have two games across Rd 2 and Rd 3, but might be much better value?

I was originally leaning to Boult/Lynn/Rossouw as my opinion on the three trade outs, but it will largely depend on this next game. If Rossouw gets a big score, he looks a lot more appealing to keep for another round, another low score and I'd probably prefer to see him go. Going to be a fun Friday night/Saturday sorting out what our best trades might be, and trying to get any sort of consensus on these.

All sorts of variables.

Won't be able to have all of Agar , du Plessis , Richardson , Tye by the looks of things unless we trade out all of Boult , Rashid & Short.

So need to look not only at Round 2 , but 3 & 4 as well and see which is more beneficial.

Gilkes , Hales & Rossouw fail tomorrow they all then probably have unattainable BE's which make them problematic in Round 3 to trade out , so they may actually have to be moved on in Round 2.

Lynn could be kept (benched) or traded again dependent on his score and BE.

Tight turnaround between rounds so certainly won't be easy getting everyone's ideas/thoughts and then getting a consensus.

Good start this round so need to keep the momentum going or could quickly fall behind.

 

[Lgndhen23]

Just saw this team for the first time and was very pleasantly surprised to see there’s only one difference between mine, farooqi vs CDG

Aswell as agar vs jricho

Working in the combined team a lot better atm