BBL|12: Combined SCS Team
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Traded out: Short, Boult, Rossouw
Trade in: du Plessis, Hosein, Tye
This leaves us with $54,700 in the bank.
Team:
Inglis (Handscomb*)
Sams, Agar - VC, Hales, Lynn, Stoinis (Faf*, Gilkes)
Khan, Tye, Farooqi, Hosein, Zampa - C (Green*, Connolly)
Conserves the boost, 8 DGR or 9 if we field Gilkes over Lynn. Think that's my personal current take on trades. Much happier with those. Not too far from Herbie's trade suggestions either (Faf and Gilkes v Richo and Shadab - second option uses a boost).
Maddo does feel a bit like chasing points, agreed, but if we wanted him for Rd 5, getting him now would probably be cheaper seeing he has a negative BE.
Trade in: du Plessis, Hosein, Tye
This leaves us with $54,700 in the bank.
Team:
Inglis (Handscomb*)
Sams, Agar - VC, Hales, Lynn, Stoinis (Faf*, Gilkes)
Khan, Tye, Farooqi, Hosein, Zampa - C (Green*, Connolly)
Conserves the boost, 8 DGR or 9 if we field Gilkes over Lynn. Think that's my personal current take on trades. Much happier with those. Not too far from Herbie's trade suggestions either (Faf and Gilkes v Richo and Shadab - second option uses a boost).
Maddo does feel a bit like chasing points, agreed, but if we wanted him for Rd 5, getting him now would probably be cheaper seeing he has a negative BE.
Considering I have practically identical team, I thought I’d share what I am currently looking at
Lynn -> tye
roussow -> Hardie
Boult -> bazley
Just chucking some options, not even 100% sure if there’s enough cash to facilitate those, but I do like the thought of getting a heat player early
could go zampa out instead of roussow to lock in one extra dgw
I also have CDG instead of farooqi and am boosting him to Hobson as a bit of a pod
Lynn -> tye
roussow -> Hardie
Boult -> bazley
Just chucking some options, not even 100% sure if there’s enough cash to facilitate those, but I do like the thought of getting a heat player early
could go zampa out instead of roussow to lock in one extra dgw
I also have CDG instead of farooqi and am boosting him to Hobson as a bit of a pod
Bearing in mind that I am a bit under the weather and haven't yet figured out full trades for my side, a few thoughts on the above:
- I think Faf is overpriced. He is not high on my target list, and I wouldn't be keen to trade out a DGR player with a high BE for another, dearer DGR player who I think also misses his BE on average. He is a good player, and in decent form, but few BAT only players are worth 180k.
- Shadab can be used in the BAT line if needed, and is an international gun with an outstanding role if he bats 4 and bowls 4 (as Punter said/as played out last night - and Hurricanes only used 4 bowlers, which is a good sign). In his last 10 T20s, he has taken 14 wickets, only gone for more than 30 runs once (33), and averaged c. 20 per dismissal with the bat. [I can't see his SR easily on my laptop, for some reason BBB is blocked!] All but one of those games were at the World Cup except one, against better competition than he will face here. He scored 52 (22) against Rabada, Ngidi, Nortje and co. It looks like he was batting 6-7, so his BBL role should be better again. I think that roles like this are almost like having a DGR every round. He'll be playing below his level. He's also 55k cheaper than Faf. To me he looks like a gift
- Maddinson is one that I struggle with unless he's bowling. His big score will help generate cash in R2 and 3, but if we hold him that long we will presumably hold until his double. If he gets a couple of low scores his price may already be coming back down again by then. His best season is a 48 last year, so he's priced off his career ceiling to date, with the other seasons at 21-37. Heading into R1, he's the sort of player I would view as overpriced, unless something had changed in his favour.
- Hales is a gun (#1 BBL run scorer amongst internationals), and not expensive. To me he's the type of player we should generally be trying to trade in rather than out. I reckon the injury concern is the key argument for trading him out, so maybe this comes down to the eye test for anyone who watched him more closely? One thing to flag on his BE is that he's playing another two games this round, which means only one of his low scores from R1 influences his BE, rather than both.
I'll do some more digging on my own trades, and I suspect that will throw up some additional thoughts, but I thought I would add these into the mix now for discussion.
- I think Faf is overpriced. He is not high on my target list, and I wouldn't be keen to trade out a DGR player with a high BE for another, dearer DGR player who I think also misses his BE on average. He is a good player, and in decent form, but few BAT only players are worth 180k.
- Shadab can be used in the BAT line if needed, and is an international gun with an outstanding role if he bats 4 and bowls 4 (as Punter said/as played out last night - and Hurricanes only used 4 bowlers, which is a good sign). In his last 10 T20s, he has taken 14 wickets, only gone for more than 30 runs once (33), and averaged c. 20 per dismissal with the bat. [I can't see his SR easily on my laptop, for some reason BBB is blocked!] All but one of those games were at the World Cup except one, against better competition than he will face here. He scored 52 (22) against Rabada, Ngidi, Nortje and co. It looks like he was batting 6-7, so his BBL role should be better again. I think that roles like this are almost like having a DGR every round. He'll be playing below his level. He's also 55k cheaper than Faf. To me he looks like a gift
- Maddinson is one that I struggle with unless he's bowling. His big score will help generate cash in R2 and 3, but if we hold him that long we will presumably hold until his double. If he gets a couple of low scores his price may already be coming back down again by then. His best season is a 48 last year, so he's priced off his career ceiling to date, with the other seasons at 21-37. Heading into R1, he's the sort of player I would view as overpriced, unless something had changed in his favour.
- Hales is a gun (#1 BBL run scorer amongst internationals), and not expensive. To me he's the type of player we should generally be trying to trade in rather than out. I reckon the injury concern is the key argument for trading him out, so maybe this comes down to the eye test for anyone who watched him more closely? One thing to flag on his BE is that he's playing another two games this round, which means only one of his low scores from R1 influences his BE, rather than both.
I'll do some more digging on my own trades, and I suspect that will throw up some additional thoughts, but I thought I would add these into the mix now for discussion.
If we got Shadab instead of Faf, and paired that with the cash in the bank, could we trade someone else out and retain Short?
It would not surprise me at all if Sams, Short and Shadab were amongst the very top players given their roles and previous scoring. I plan to prioritise keeping them if I can.
It would not surprise me at all if Sams, Short and Shadab were amongst the very top players given their roles and previous scoring. I plan to prioritise keeping them if I can.
This is why I asked for more opinions.
Lynn, Boult and Rossouw to Shadab, Tye and Hosein can be done leaving us with $17,900.
Taking out loops:
Inglis*
Short, Sams*, Agar*, Hales*, S. Khan
R. Khan, Tye*, Farooqi*, Hosein, Green*
Just the 7 DGR.
Lynn, Boult and Rossouw to Shadab, Tye and Hosein can be done leaving us with $17,900.
Taking out loops:
Inglis*
Short, Sams*, Agar*, Hales*, S. Khan
R. Khan, Tye*, Farooqi*, Hosein, Green*
Just the 7 DGR.
Personally I view Short => Faf as a downgrade, and Lynn => Shadab as an upgrade, so to get two upgrades in for c. 37k looks great.
Short and Shadab are also the type of players I am pretty comfortable fielding as SGR players on a DGR.
We've managed to keep Rashid too, which looks like a great result.
This is why I asked for more opinions.
Lynn, Boult and Rossouw to Shadab, Tye and Hosein can be done leaving us with $17,900.
Taking out loops:
Inglis*
Short, Sams*, Agar*, Hales*, S. Khan
R. Khan, Tye*, Farooqi*, Hosein, Green*
Just the 7 DGR.
Lynn, Boult and Rossouw to Shadab, Tye and Hosein can be done leaving us with $17,900.
Taking out loops:
Inglis*
Short, Sams*, Agar*, Hales*, S. Khan
R. Khan, Tye*, Farooqi*, Hosein, Green*
Just the 7 DGR.
Handscomb
Gilkes , Stoinis
Connolly , Zampa
(5 x ST + Connolly for Round 3 bench at this stage) so need to get rid of at least 2 ST.
Green down (maybe Kuhnemann) , hopefully upgrades Hales.
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Perhaps an interesting time to talk about trading philosophy in general.
When deciding your moves, do you:
a) choose your targets first, and make your trade outs fit, or
b) decide what players need to leave your side, and make your trade ins fit?
I think I switch between the two depending what the BEs and the schedule dictate but for me this week it's a b) kind of round. With so many carrying over on a DGR and the proposed SGR holds there's not really a lot of options left for trading out, so I think that's the tighter constraint.
I'm also waiting on team sheets for tonight for my own trades - I think we need enough flexibility to say, for example, if Hardie is named at 3 as has been floated, that he becomes a priority, if we agree that that is worthwhile. I believe there's just enough cash in hand to boost and add a Gilkes -> Hardie trade in that instance or one of the three ins would have to change.
Thoughts?
When deciding your moves, do you:
a) choose your targets first, and make your trade outs fit, or
b) decide what players need to leave your side, and make your trade ins fit?
I think I switch between the two depending what the BEs and the schedule dictate but for me this week it's a b) kind of round. With so many carrying over on a DGR and the proposed SGR holds there's not really a lot of options left for trading out, so I think that's the tighter constraint.
I'm also waiting on team sheets for tonight for my own trades - I think we need enough flexibility to say, for example, if Hardie is named at 3 as has been floated, that he becomes a priority, if we agree that that is worthwhile. I believe there's just enough cash in hand to boost and add a Gilkes -> Hardie trade in that instance or one of the three ins would have to change.
Thoughts?
I rage trade. If someone does poorly, they must go.
Seriously, this week for me, it's probably a mix, but more of option a), in terms of 2 trades to 1. Tye and Hosein are two I think we should definitely get. The third trade to me is a case of best available based on players we can trade out.
Generally though, it's a good question. Usually I play the DGR and BE game for BBL, but this week I'm happy to make a bit of an exception, cutting out a couple of DGR this round for quality underpriced options, playing a bit of a longer game.
Trades are not locked, happy to add a 4th player if there seems a definite value option (i.e. Hardie as you mentioned) or change if there's a popular option brought up. We could afford Gilkes to Hardie, with $2,100 to spare.
Looks like the VC option has changed from Agar to Tye as well based on the poll. I'll switch it now.
Seriously, this week for me, it's probably a mix, but more of option a), in terms of 2 trades to 1. Tye and Hosein are two I think we should definitely get. The third trade to me is a case of best available based on players we can trade out.
Generally though, it's a good question. Usually I play the DGR and BE game for BBL, but this week I'm happy to make a bit of an exception, cutting out a couple of DGR this round for quality underpriced options, playing a bit of a longer game.
Trades are not locked, happy to add a 4th player if there seems a definite value option (i.e. Hardie as you mentioned) or change if there's a popular option brought up. We could afford Gilkes to Hardie, with $2,100 to spare.
Looks like the VC option has changed from Agar to Tye as well based on the poll. I'll switch it now.
It's a good question, and I agree that it fluctuates. However I think that (a) is the better default approach in BBL, because of the doubles.
Lots of people seem to bring in a DGR player (because he was a DGR player), and then forget/overlook that holding him prevents them from using that cash/squad spot on other DGR players.
The appeal is typically in the DGR, not the underlying player. For me that's why (a) is the better approach most of the time.
Lots of people seem to bring in a DGR player (because he was a DGR player), and then forget/overlook that holding him prevents them from using that cash/squad spot on other DGR players.
The appeal is typically in the DGR, not the underlying player. For me that's why (a) is the better approach most of the time.
Unless Gilkes goes big, Shadab will replace Stoinis on field.
0/256 (Agar) from 4 SI after that game if we lock in the VC or 0/184 if we don't (3 SI). I'd be leaning to locking that in.
Bit annoying that Richardson and Hardie were both talked about here and we ended up with neither. 264 between those two. That would have been a very nice score.
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Yep complete lost opportunity not trading in Richardson , nothing we can do about it now though.
Need to start creating onfield cash through trades when we can otherwise we are going to struggle in the next few rounds bringing in preferred targets , can't become too attached to players.
I am taking Tye's 79 for my own team so probably would lock in Agar's 72.
On we go to tomorrow
Need to start creating onfield cash through trades when we can otherwise we are going to struggle in the next few rounds bringing in preferred targets , can't become too attached to players.
I am taking Tye's 79 for my own team so probably would lock in Agar's 72.
On we go to tomorrow
Was just having a quick look at Round 3
We will have 5 x ST (Bye) + Connolly to try and fit on the benches so will need to trade out at least 2 x ST.
One key decision is whether we try and keep (or trade) Sams.
Gilkes will probably be of no value to trade.
The Heat players we trade in probably then get traded out in Round 4 for MR/SS.
Need to be mindful we will have Rashid , Shadab & Short on the Bye Round 5 (whether we plan to bench/trade the 2 x AS I have no idea)
Neser & Renshaw availability is still not clear
Few options I think we should consider :-
Green - > Swepson or Kuhnemann
Farooqi - > Steketee or Bazley or one from above
Hales - > Renshaw or Neser
Munro & Billings probably out of reach
Not sure it will be building the bank too much , so then it comes down to what MR/SS we are planning for DGR 5 (fortunately have Hosein) and how much $ we need to get them.
Round 4 - Trade out our 3 BH - > ? , ? , ?
Round 5 - Are we trading Rashid & Short + 1 - > ? , ? , ?
I guess the option to increase the Bank is to use a Boost and trade out Sams (or Agar & Tye)
If we did then bring in a 4th BH player , that would probably mean that Swepson or Kuhnemann selection would stay as Bowl 6 and wouldn't be traded out in Round 4.
Anyway just a few thoughts , trying to sort out what sort of direction we are looking to head over the next few rounds.
We will have 5 x ST (Bye) + Connolly to try and fit on the benches so will need to trade out at least 2 x ST.
One key decision is whether we try and keep (or trade) Sams.
Gilkes will probably be of no value to trade.
The Heat players we trade in probably then get traded out in Round 4 for MR/SS.
Need to be mindful we will have Rashid , Shadab & Short on the Bye Round 5 (whether we plan to bench/trade the 2 x AS I have no idea)
Neser & Renshaw availability is still not clear
Few options I think we should consider :-
Green - > Swepson or Kuhnemann
Farooqi - > Steketee or Bazley or one from above
Hales - > Renshaw or Neser
Munro & Billings probably out of reach
Not sure it will be building the bank too much , so then it comes down to what MR/SS we are planning for DGR 5 (fortunately have Hosein) and how much $ we need to get them.
Round 4 - Trade out our 3 BH - > ? , ? , ?
Round 5 - Are we trading Rashid & Short + 1 - > ? , ? , ?
I guess the option to increase the Bank is to use a Boost and trade out Sams (or Agar & Tye)
If we did then bring in a 4th BH player , that would probably mean that Swepson or Kuhnemann selection would stay as Bowl 6 and wouldn't be traded out in Round 4.
Anyway just a few thoughts , trying to sort out what sort of direction we are looking to head over the next few rounds.
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