BBL|12: Combined SCS Team

Which Hurricanes should we bring in (choose 4)?


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@Ironhawk - that’s what I was meaning.

Sams out, Inglis to the BAT line, WK donut in.

It’s a way of avoiding trading out a double player, which I gathered was what you were seeking.

If we want Sams though, obviously that doesn’t work.

I think Connolly does, or McDermott if we have to. Connolly doesn’t seem to have much use after this round anyway.
 

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Unless X is a Dooley or Meredith

Z is the WK donut

Still doesn't solve who Y is ? McDermott maybe instead of Bancroft

And then no Sams at all for Round 11 , 12 or 13.

Interesting
Interesting that you mention this. Dooley is averaging 65, I think he’s gone under the radar a little because of his injuries.

Sams has the better role but is “only” averaging 57 so far. He did seem to be carrying a niggle though.

I was actually going to ask yesterday - did he look right in his last game, or was he still a bit off and just scored well?
 
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Interesting that you mention this. Dooley is averaging 65, I think he’s gone under the radar a little because of his injuries.

Sams has the better role but is “only” averaging 57 so far. He did seem to be carrying a niggle though.

I was actually going to ask yesterday - did he look right in his last game, or was he still a bit off and just scored well?
Looks like we have gone full circle on Sams now.

Sams - > Dooley (or Meredith)
Connolly - > Handscomb

No idea if that works $ wise or not.

Would probably mean 4 BH & 5 PS + Short (can loop Round 12) + Abbott (or Ellis)
 
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@Ironhawk - that’s what I was meaning.

Sams out, Inglis to the BAT line, WK donut in.

It’s a way of avoiding trading out a double player, which I gathered was what you were seeking.

If we want Sams though, obviously that doesn’t work.

I think Connolly does, or McDermott if we have to. Connolly doesn’t seem to have much use after this round anyway.
Gotcha.

I will let others have a say on this one. Not fussed who we bring in myself, I'll try to do as the majority wants. As Herbie noted, if we do trade Sams out, we should still have one other trade for the round, but obviously won't have Sams, who I thought was quite a popular choice.
 

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You guys are fortunate that I've been in full BBL today so here's another one of my snippet to help nudge this team along.
I've says all along that the key to playing this game is to be flexible, nimble and most importantly, a willingness to adapt to the situation at hand with the aim of maximising on our opportunities.

With this mind, I would suggest Connolly to Handscomb as our 3rd trade via Sams to BWL and replace Hardie onfield & Inglis to BAT, giving us the final setup for the round. The only decision left is which 3 of 4 WKP/BATs to play on-field.
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Round 12
We're still faced with the ever present issue of needing to sacrifice a player in order to execute on all of our trades. Since the general consensus of the group is to maximise the number of DGR players with our remaining trades, I've decided to take this thinking on board with my revised plan. This means one of MShort/Sams/Abbott has to go. MShort has the greatest hurt factor so he's safe. Sams & Abbott are pretty equal on their days to my eyes so my decision is based on the R13 fixture, Sixers plays the 1st game while Thunder plays the last. With that in mind Abbott has drawn the short straw because keeping Sams opens up our ability to take the best Heat score from the BAT and BWL bench (via Sams and Hardie). Below is the proposed trades and team setup, 5 Scorchers, 4 Heat + MShort & Sams. We can try and be cute by looping MShort with Wade/McDermott but I'm just inclined to keep it simple for now.
I'm using Tails' updated pricing, so unless Ashraf inceased by more than $30k, we should be able to execute on these trades. I've chosen to go a Hurricanes with the 3rd trade as opposed to say the soon to be popular Renshaw but it's your choice whether you choose to go with the extra Heat this round or extra Hurricanes next round. Note that going the extra Heat means benching one of MShort or Sams.
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Round 13
Boost and get in the best remaining 4 Hurricanes giving us 8 to hopefully finish with a BANG...!!!
Who to trade out from Scorchers/Heat can vary but I've chosen to trade 4 Scorchers as that gives us the best setup to play the loop with Heat on the bench. Which Heat to put the E in BAT and BWL is a prime candidate for a poll when the time comes. Sams/Hardie switches depending on where the highest scoring E comes from.
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Good luck and good night...!
 
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I definitely think Connolly to Handscomb is the way to go. Connolly actually hurts us next round given he locks out at game 1, so I think getting him out is the right move and Handscomb is useful for the remaining rounds.

Sams in could potentially be chasing points? His record at Manuka is pretty good (70.3) but his next 2 games at the SCG (35.3) and MCG (29.4) aren't too crash hot, and his batting has been atrocious so the whole dual threat angle feels weaker off the back of that. Granted he could fire with the bat and raise the average but just feels risky to go all in on a SGR player given when we have DGR options.

But as Herbie pointed out cash is tight, so we might just need to back it in and look to trade him out next week? We hopefully get the good score this week and then can replace him with a DGR player.
 
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If we do the Connolly - > Handscomb trade it gives us $ 9,800.00 in the Bank

Round 12 outs : Carey , Head + ? (either Abbott , Sams or Short) or just use 2 trades

Carey & Head is not getting anywhere near Bazley & Neser

thought we were gearing up for all 3 of Abbott , Sams & Short to play for Round 12 & 13 ?

determines who we want , 2 or 3 BH

Round 12 starts Friday , double header , so if we are looping Short we really need to know what our options are if he succeeds/fails , otherwise it will be a manic 30 minutes between games trying to make decisions

seem to be going around in circles again the last few days and getting nowhere
 
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May as well throw up something else , if we have completely cooled on Sams why not get Meredith instead (now and for DGR 13 , gives us a "spare" spot in case Shadab does return)

Round 12 I would actually be looking at maybe trading out Khawaja (even on a DGR) as the 3rd player (or losing Abbott as Thanh suggested) scores are uninspiring so far , mind you Renshaw was averaging 21.3 coming into this round.

Haven't done the sums on Carey , Head & Khawaja as to what that can buy us and whether or not we can loop Short from Bowl line.

Bit hard trying to visualise a Round 12 lineup until our Round 11 trades are all locked away.
 
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Regarding Abbott, I mapped out a trade plan for my side (which remains similar) last night, and concluded that trading him out would be the best course of action. He’s an SPP on SGRs and wouldn’t be fielded for me in R12.

Our combined side has greater cash pressures than mine, so I am quite open to trading him out (as good as he is).
 
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What is your alternative suggestion then? No point shooting down ideas without offering a counter idea in it's place.
Would have thought its fairly obvious just to trade a Hurricane, probably whoever enters Round 12 with the highest Breakeven of Ellis,Wade and McDermott, trading out the best bowler in the comp with his best matchup that he just went 110 on just so we are able to end up with 8 players from the same side in their double just isn't a smart strategy for mine.
 
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I don't mind Sams for at least this round. Low BE, good chance to make cash, can reassess after the round if needed.

Connolly to Handscomb seems popular, will lock that in as our final trade. Which keeper do we bench this round?

As for next round, I'm not locked on anyone. Probably best to trade whoever has the worst two match ups over the last two games.
 
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Would have thought its fairly obvious just to trade a Hurricane, probably whoever enters Round 12 with the highest Breakeven of Ellis,Wade and McDermott, trading out the best bowler in the comp with his best matchup that he just went 110 on just so we are able to end up with 8 players from the same side in their double just isn't a smart strategy for mine.
I wouldn't exactly say it's obvious to trade a player out going into a DGR. Agree 8 from 1 team could be too many, but the main reason for trading Abbott appears to be cash rather than the scoring alone.

How do you see us funding good trade ins for this round (Bazely, Neser, etc)? Who are we trading out given both Head and Carey are worth well less.

It's easy to make big statements about grand plans, but for them to work we need to have specifics about what you are thinking and how it would work. Are we keeping Abbott at the cost of Neser/Basely on their DGR this week because we can't afford them? Or are we trading MShort instead to find the funds?
 

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Would have thought its fairly obvious just to trade a Hurricane, probably whoever enters Round 12 with the highest Breakeven of Ellis,Wade and McDermott, trading out the best bowler in the comp with his best matchup that he just went 110 on just so we are able to end up with 8 players from the same side in their double just isn't a smart strategy for mine.
I’m somewhat reluctant to trade Abbott in absolute terms, but couldn’t see any particular reason not to based on the data.

Thunder are his median opponent, and the SCG is his median ground (surprisingly - albeit most away grounds are small samples, both the higher and lower scores).

What do you see in the matchup that maybe isn’t captured in the data?
 
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I think one thing we need to keep front of mind is, what is the net worth of the 3 trade ins and 3 trade outs, rather than focusing on 1 specific part of the equation.

I think it makes sense to trade out Head and Carey as they are SGR only and provide minimal upside, and those two combined give us $225,300 to spend, which isn't a lot (using the figures in the post above).

If we want Neser and Bazley, we need to find $72,300 spare cash from our last trade. If we use Wade/McD/Ellis, we will likely have between $140k and $165k to spend, meaning we would have between $67l and 92k for the final trade in. Not sure there is anyone compelling at that price point so we are effectively losing any benefit from that 3rd trade as we bring in a weaker option or NPP just to free up funds. This also spills into the following round, as we have a lot of PS players on a bye and can't trade them all out, so are already going to be carrying some dead weight on the bench.

One other thing, is that Abbott has definitely had some inconsistent scoring both this season and at the SXG:

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Rounds 12 & 13 are basically just a 2 round competition and he could just as easily score average as go big - and we haven't even accounted for the fact he could get rested again in preparation for finals...
 
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