Analysis Coaches Choice Awards - Player Ownership Discussion

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Well, I was going to start a thread for the 2019 Coaches Choice awards but it appears that the stats are not currently available.

Could it be that there is smoke coming out of the HS servers due to a greater than 100% ownership for some players? Or maybe it is a quantum paradox? Possibly they, like Rick Disneck, "just f%@#ed up".

Whatever the reason, we are going to have enjoy the following quote as a teaser (thanks Couch Coach) until we get real stats (if ever?) to work with.

Fancy that, I started a thread about for the 2019 Coaches Choice awards afterall...


MOST POPULAR SUPERCOACH PRE-SEASON PICKS

1. Patrick Dangerfield (GEE) $650,500 fwd/mid — 74.54%

2. Will Setterfield (CAR) $144,900 fwd/mid — 64.01%

3. Brodie Grundy (COL) $708,200 ruck — 56.57%

4. Patrick Cripps (CAR) $648,200 mid — 44.77%

5. Rory Laird (ADE) $587,600 def — 44.21%

6. Nat Fyfe (FRE) $618,100 mid — 40.61%

7. Lachie Whitfield (GWS) $542,100 def — 39.42%

8. Isaac Heeney (SYD) $528,200 fwd/mid — 39.25%

9. Harrison Wigg (GCS) $102,400 def — 35.18%

10. Sam Collins (GCS) $188,900 def — 34.42%

11. Brett Bewley (FRE) $117,300 mid — 34.06%

12. Sam Walsh (CAR) $207,300 mid — 33.82%

13. Ben Cavarra (WBD) $117,300 fwd — 32.76%

14. Toby Greene (GWS) $354,600 fwd — 32.14%

15. Zac Williams (GWS) $407,800 def — 31.69%

16. Max Gawn (MEL) $692,100 ruck — 30.50%

17. Liam Stocker (CAR) $126,300 mid — 29.69%

18. Jake Lloyd (SYD) $608,200 def — 29.59%

19. Josh Kelly (GWS) $617,800 mid — 28.91%

20. Dustin Martin (RIC) $563,800 mid — 27.80%

21. Clayton Oliver (MEL) $622,600 mid — 27.53%

22. Jack Scrimshaw (HAW) $149,800 def — 26.19%

23. Jack Macrae (WBD) $689,700 mid — 25.28%

24. Charlie Constable (GEE) $123,900 mid — 25.00%

25. Devon Smith (ESS) $531,300 fwd/mid — 23.76%

26. Nick Hind (STK) $117,300 mid — 23.54%

27. Chris Burgess (GCS) $123,900 def/fwd — 23.43%

28. Izak Rankine (GCS) $198,300 fwd — 23.18%

29. Tom Liberatore (WBD) $300,400 mid — 22.88%

30. Luke Valente (FRE) $117,300 — 22.43%
 

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We have lift off!! - thanks Ken!

Welcome to the awards event that every supercoacher wants to get an invite to! The rhyming slang, the annoying nicknames, the gross exaggerations, the sometimes useful stats - the Coaches Choice Awards 2019 has it all.

I will update this (mostly) weekly until the start of the season and I will give a change from week to week. Defenders, Rucks and Forwards include dpp, Mids will be pure mid only.

How are people picking their players? Is it GnR or midprice madness?? Get out your cookie cutters folks, settle in with a cold one and let's go!

Choices Choice Awards - 24 Jan 2019

Overall
1)
Danger = 66%
2) Setthefield = 56%
3) Nipcrip = 47%
4) Laird = 44%
5) Grungy = 43%
6) Lyfe = 40%
7) Winnieblue = 35%
8) Numberonepick = 35%
9) Heeney = 35%
10) JoseCavarra = 35%

Well, I can't say I am surprised. Why oh why did HS/CD decide making Danger dpp was a good thing???

Defenders
1)
Laird = 44%
2) Winnieblue = 35%
3) Hairhat = 32%
4) Lloydy! = 27%
5) Collins = 26%
6) Keynor = 24%
7) Williams = 23%
8) Rosie = 22%
9) Scrimmy = 22%
10) Burger = 21%

Popular prems in the backs, then plenty of rookies. Williams the only real midpricer. I wonder how long Lloydy! will stay in the top 10?

Mids
1)
Nipcrip = 47%
2) Lyfe = 40%
3) Numberonepick = 35%
4) Bewley = 33%
5) Dusty = 30%
6) Shelfstocker = 30%
7) Jelly = 26%
8) 1000Miles = 25%
9) Constable = 24%
10) Hind = 23%

Standard mids, a little surprised Jelly is owned by a quarter of coaches.

Rucks
1)
Grungy = 43%
2) Fearthebeard = 34%
3) Zlarke = 20%
4) DaHoff = 13%
5)
Fornite = 13%
6) Goldy = 13%
7) Slongsong = 10%
8) Mummy = 9%
9) Bines = 9%
10) Krooz = 8%

People have been listening to Dimmawit and picked Zlarke for R2...?

Forwards
1)
Danger = 66%
2) Setthefield = 56%
3) Heeney = 35%
4) JoseCavarra = 35%
5) Tobias = 35%
6) Smith = 25%
7) Rankine = 25%
8) Mozzie = 23%
9) Rosie = 22%
10) Chad!! = 22%

Very much doubt Tobias or Mozzie will stay in the top ten as the season gets closer, but otherwise pretty standard stuff.

So there you go. Hope the stats are helpful. Before the question is asked - Winnieblue = Whitfield ;)
 
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Wowee, Goldy and Kreuzer is very POD early on. I think that's the value combo which could get you off to you a good start but might hurt you late if it turns out you need two trades + 200k odd in cash in the rucks to upgrade to Gawn/Grundy. Could work if Goldy and Gawn are both ~110 average rucks so you can just finish with Grundy and Goldy. Alternatively, if Gawn gets rested late but Goldy doesn't as Goldy has no backup.
 

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Well, I was going to start a thread for the 2019 Coaches Choice awards but it appears that the stats are not currently available.

Could it be that there is smoke coming out of the HS servers due to a greater than 100% ownership for some players? Or maybe it is a quantum paradox? Possibly they, like Rick Disneck, "just f%@#ed up".

Whatever the reason, we are going to have enjoy the following quote as a teaser (thanks Couch Coach) until we get real stats (if ever?) to work with.

Fancy that, I started a thread about for the 2019 Coaches Choice awards afterall...
Maybe that Russian weightlifter Popavalium Andropoff has taken up a job at HS.
 

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Righty, another week gone - what does the popularity contest look like??

Choices Choice Awards - 30 Jan 2019

Overall
1)
Danger = 68% (was 66%)
2) Setterfield = 58% (was 56%)
3) Cripps = 48% (was 47%)
4) Grundy = 45% (was 43%)
5) Laird = 43% (was 44%)
6) Fyfe = 40% (was 40%)
7) Bewley = 38% (NEW)
8) Cavarra = 37% (was 35%)
9) Heeney = 37% (was 35%)
10) Walsh = 37% (was 35%)

Out - Whitfield. In - Bewley
Danger retains the top spot - I think I should keep the "WHY IS HE DPP?!" comment in for the rest of the preseason... Anyone brave enough not to pick him??

Defenders
1)
Laird = 43% (was 44%)
2) Whitfield = 34% (was 35%)
3) Wigg = 32% (was 32%)
4) Lloyd = 29% (was 27%)
5) Quaynor = 27% (was 24%)
6) Rozee = 26% (was 22%)
7) Collins = 25% (was 26%)
8) Williams = 25% (was 23%)
9) Hore = 24% (was 22%)
10) Burgess = 22% (was 21%)

Out - Scrimshaw. In - Hore.
No real changes, some movement mid ranks. Fair spread of choices with Laird the easy favourite player.

Mids
1)
Cripps = 48% (was 47%)
2) Fyfe = 40% (was 40%)
3) Bewley = 38% (was 33%)
4) Walsh = 37% (was 35%)
5) Hind = 33% (was 23%)
6) Dusty = 31% (was 30%)
7) Stocker = 29% (was 30%)
8) Miles = 27% (was 25%)
9) Kelly = 25% (was 26%)
10) Macrae = 23% (NEW)

Out - Constable. In - Macrae.
The most expensive uninjured ( :cry::cry::cry:) mid moves into the top 10.

Rucks
1)
Grundy = 45% (was 43%)
2) Gawn = 35% (was 34%)
3) Fort = 25% (was 13%)
4) Clarke = 17% (was 20%)
5) Westhoff = 14% (was 13%)
6) Goldy = 13% (was 13%)
7) Schlensog = 10% (was 10%)
8) Mummy = 9% (was 9%)
9) Martin = 8% (NEW)
10) Bines = 8% (was 9%)

Out - Kreuzer. In - Martin.
I wouldn't be surprised to see this top three remain for the rest of the preseason.

Forwards
1)
Danger = 68% (was 66%)
2) Setterfield = 58% (was 56%)
3) Cavarra = 37% (was 35%)
4) Heeney = 37% (was 35%)
5) Rankine = 27% (was 25%)
6) Rozee = 26% (was 22%)
7) Greene = 25% (was 35%)
8) Smith = 25% (was 25%)
9) Wingard = 23% (was 22%)
10) Burgess = 22% (NEW)

Out - Mosquito. In - Burgess.
Last week I said: "Very much doubt Tobias or Mozzie will stay in the top ten as the season gets closer, but otherwise pretty standard stuff."...and Green slips down 10%.

Enjoy!
 
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Dangerfield only 68%, hmmm. I think a lot of SuperCoaches have ticked the auto-select and waiting to pick their team closer to the start of Rd1.
 

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Dangerfield only 68%, hmmm. I think a lot of SuperCoaches have ticked the auto-select and waiting to pick their team closer to the start of Rd1.
Maybe.. but it I’ll just play devils advocate on this for a moment. Danger is not exactly cheap at $660k and some coaches might feel that they can pick him up cheaper later on. I’ll admit, it was pretty easy to pick him first and I haven’t really given it a second thought (and probably won’t) but I can see why ownership wouldn’t be close to 100%
 

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Does anyone know what the highest ownership ever was? I think 68% would be in the ballpark. Once a pick is above 60% I think it pretty much means he's in every serious team.
 

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Does anyone know what the highest ownership ever was? I think 68% would be in the ballpark. Once a pick is above 60% I think it pretty much means he's in every serious team.
@Rowsus will have a serious team, but this is right up his alley for a non starter
 

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@Rowsus will have a serious team, but this is right up his alley for a non starter
I'm of the belief that either every team in the top 1000 at year's end will have started Danger, or none will and something's gone terribly wrong. Seems too much of a free hit for anyone to ignore imo.
 

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How did we get to the middle of Feb (well almost)?!

Choices Choice Awards - 9 Feb 2019

Overall
1)
Danger = 66% (was 68%)
2) Setterfield = 57% (was 58%)
3) Cripps = 47% (was 48%)
4) Grundy = 45% (was 45%)
5) Walsh = 41% (was 37%)
6) Laird = 40% (was 43%)
7) Bewley = 39% (was 38%)
8) Heeney = 39% (was 37%)
9) Cavarra = 38% (was 37%)
10) Fyfe = 36% (was 40%)

Out - None. In - None.
WHY IS DANGER DPP??!?1?!?! Walsh up the ranks and into 5th, Fyfe drops probably due to his elbow bursting.

Defenders
1)
Laird = 40% (was 43%)
2) Whitfield = 32% (was 34%)
3) Wigg = 32% (was 32%)
4) Lloyd = 30% (was 29%)
5) Rozee = 28% (was 26%)
6) Quaynor = 27% (was 27%)
7) Collins = 25% (was 25%)
8) Hore = 25% (was 24%)
9) Williams = 24% (was 25%)
10) Burgess = 24% (was 22%)

Out - None. In - None.
Nothing to see here.

Mids
1)
Cripps = 47% (was 48%)
2) Walsh = 41% (was 37%)
3) Bewley = 39% (was 38%)
4) Fyfe = 36% (was 40%)
5) Hind = 35% (was 33%)
6) Dusty = 34% (was 31%)
7) Stocker = 26% (was 29%)
8) Miles = 26% (was 27%)
9) Kelly = 25% (was 25%)
10) Libba = 22% (NEW)

Out - Macrae. In - Libba.
There was movement at the Doghouse as the word got about that Libba's knee was on the mend...

Rucks
1)
Grundy = 45% (was 45%)
2) Gawn = 34% (was 35%)
3) Fort = 27% (was 25%)
4) Clarke = 16% (was 17%)
5) Westhoff = 13% (was 14%)
6) Goldy = 13% (was 13%)
7) Schlensog = 10% (was 10%)
8) Mummy = 10% (was 9%)
9) Martin = 9% (was 8%)
10) Bines = 8% (was 8%)

Out - None. In - None.
No moves, barely any % movement - looks like everyone set and forget with their rucks!

Forwards
1)
Danger = 67% (was 68%)
2) Setterfield = 57% (was 58%)
3) Heeney = 37% (was 37%)
4) Cavarra = 37% (was 37%)
5) Rozee = 27% (was 26%)
6) Rankine = 27% (was 27%)
7) Smith = 26% (was 25%)
8) Burgess = 22% (was 22%)
9) Mozzie = 21% (NEW)
10) Wingard = 20% (was 23%)

Out - Greene. In - Mosquito.
- Greene out of the top 10 as Mozzie flies back in.
- Last week I said: "Very much doubt Tobias or Mozzie will stay in the top ten as the season gets closer, but otherwise pretty standard stuff...and Green slips down 10%."

Yay for the weekend :)
 
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This is something I have been keeping an eye on for a little while and given Zagbag's post here re PODS I thought I would post the other side of that, those players with high ownership.

I can’t remember a season where those at the pointy end of each position have been as heavily owned as this season. Given we are still 37 days out from the season starting ownership percentages will change and since keeping an eye on ownership percentages most players have had their ownership fall slightly.
This is more of an observation piece than hard analysis, as mentioned I cannot remember a season where the top 5 – 10 players in a line have been so heavily owned.

A question I am posing to the site, what do you think the reasoning behind this is? (It may be normal and I haven’t noticed it before)

My thought,
Greater focus on Supercoach, more resources (articles, podcasts, groups) for players.


I am someone that likes to pick a POD however, picking a POD for the sake of it can be fraught with danger. Looking at the ownership percentages, highly owned players are people I see finishing in the top 10 for that position. The conundrum now is, do I play it safer and pick players that I think will finish in the top 10 for the position, or look for a bolter here and there that has the potential (J Lloyd was that player for me last season and starting with him gave me a big advantage and even my T Lynch selection was looking like a masterstroke after round 3 when he tore the Blues apart for a 180, however, not all selections have a successful end).

I will be interested to follow this up until lockout and see how the ownership percentages fluctuate.

Note – players with DPP status such as Danger I have placed in the likely position they would be selected. Dark green represents a top 5 player and light green is top 10 in that position based on price.

Ownership.jpg
 

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Well done! Interesting to see how it will change, probably based on what new revelations are revealed in the media.

RE: I cannot remember a season where the top 5 – 10 players in a line have been so heavily owned. What do you think the reasoning behind this is?
I think because information is so easily and quickly obtained these days (mobile phones). So instead of selecting a player on partial information, these days they get the 'warts and all' to make a more in-depth choice.
I wonder how much influence 'Supercoach Scores' is to blame :unsure:
 

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This is something I have been keeping an eye on for a little while and given Zagbag's post here re PODS I thought I would post the other side of that, those players with high ownership.

I can’t remember a season where those at the pointy end of each position have been as heavily owned as this season. Given we are still 37 days out from the season starting ownership percentages will change and since keeping an eye on ownership percentages most players have had their ownership fall slightly.
This is more of an observation piece than hard analysis, as mentioned I cannot remember a season where the top 5 – 10 players in a line have been so heavily owned.

A question I am posing to the site, what do you think the reasoning behind this is? (It may be normal and I haven’t noticed it before)

My thought,
Greater focus on Supercoach, more resources (articles, podcasts, groups) for players.


I am someone that likes to pick a POD however, picking a POD for the sake of it can be fraught with danger. Looking at the ownership percentages, highly owned players are people I see finishing in the top 10 for that position. The conundrum now is, do I play it safer and pick players that I think will finish in the top 10 for the position, or look for a bolter here and there that has the potential (J Lloyd was that player for me last season and starting with him gave me a big advantage and even my T Lynch selection was looking like a masterstroke after round 3 when he tore the Blues apart for a 180, however, not all selections have a successful end).

I will be interested to follow this up until lockout and see how the ownership percentages fluctuate.

Note – players with DPP status such as Danger I have placed in the likely position they would be selected. Dark green represents a top 5 player and light green is top 10 in that position based on price.

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Great work ... this the way I like to assimilate info ... along with other considerations of course.

So my initial take is about a third of teams are looking to go:

- 4 deep if defence using a combo of Smith / Robbo ....
- 5 deep in mids using a combo of Libba/Miles/Hanners
- 2 deep in rucks
- 3 deep in the forwards and looking for value
 
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Another week down, another week closer to when the footy is back!

Choices Choice Awards - 18 Feb 2019

Overall
1)
Danger = 67% (was 66%)
2) Setterfield = 57% (was 57%)
3) Cripps = 47% (was 47%)
4) Grundy = 43% (was 45%)
5) Walsh = 43% (was 41%)
6) Heeney = 42% (was 39%)
7) Laird = 40% (was 40%)
8) Bewley = 40% (was 39%)
9) Cavarra = 39% (was 38%)
10) Fyfe = 36% (was 36%)

Out - None. In - None.
WHY IS DANGER STILL DPP??!?1?!?! Heeney firms in popularity.

Defenders
1)
Laird = 40% (was 40%)
2) Whitfield = 32% (was 32%)
3) Lloyd = 30% (was 30%)
4) Quaynor = 30% (was 27%)
5) Rozee = 30% (was 28%)
6) Hore = 28% (was 25%)
7) Collins = 28% (was 25%)
8) Burgess = 27% (was 24%)
9) Williams = 25% (was 24%)
10) Wigg = 22% (was 32%)

Out - None. In - None.
Bit of dancing in rookie positioning, seems 10% of coaches are paying attention...

Mids
1)
Cripps = 47% (was 47%)
2) Walsh = 43% (was 41%)
3) Bewley = 40% (was 39%)
4) Fyfe = 36% (was 36%)
5) Hind = 35% (was 35%)
6) Dusty = 34% (was 34%)
7) Gibbons = 28% (NEW)
8) Miles = 26% (was 26%)
9) Kelly = 25% (was 25%)
10) Libba = 22% (was 22%)

Out - Stocker. In - Gibbons.
One Blue in, one Blue out.

Rucks
1)
Grundy = 43% (was 45%)
2) Gawn = 34% (was 34%)
3) Fort = 31% (was 27%)
4) Clarke = 15% (was 16%)
5) Westhoff = 14% (was 13%)
6) Goldy = 13% (was 13%)
7) Mummy = 11% (was 10%)
8) Schlensog = 10% (was 10%)
9) Martin = 8% (was 9%)
10) Bines = 7% (was 8%)

Out - None. In - None.
Clear top three, seems most are spending up big in the rucks.

Forwards
1)
Danger = 67% (was 67%)
2) Setterfield = 57% (was 57%)
3) Heeney = 42% (was 37%)
4) Cavarra = 39% (was 37%)
5) Rozee = 30% (was 27%)
6) Burgess = 27% (was 22%)
7) Rankine = 27% (was 27%)
8) Smith = 24% (was 26%)
9) Parker = 20% (NEW)
10) Mozzie = 20% (was 21%)

Out - Wingard. In - Parker.
Greene long gone, Mozzie buzzes around - it is quite possible his name recognition is the only thing keeping him in the top 10.

Cheers.
 

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The Oscars have just happened, so let's check out the upcoming Supercoach night of nights!

Choices Choice Awards - 26 Feb 2019

Overall
1)
Danger = 66% (was 67%)
2) Setterfield = 56% (was 57%)
3) Cripps = 49% (was 47%)
4) Walsh = 48% (was 43%)
5) Grundy = 44% (was 43%)
6) Heeney = 44% (was 42%)
7) Bewley = 41% (was 40%)
8) Laird = 40% (was 40%)
9) Cavarra = 40% (was 39%)
10) Hind = 35% (NEW)

Out - Fyfe. In - Hind.
WHY IS DANGER DPP??!?1?!?! Hind comes in for Fyfe.

Defenders
1)
Laird = 40% (was 40%)
2) Whitfield = 33% (was 32%)
3) Quaynor = 31% (was 30%)
4) Rozee = 31% (was 30%)
5) Hore = 31% (was 28%)
6) Lloyd = 30% (was 30%)
7) Burgess = 29% (was 27%)
8) Collins = 28% (was 28%)
9) Williams = 26% (was 25%)
10) Smith = 20% (NEW)

Out - Wigg. In - Smith.
Pretty spread selection in the backs.

Mids
1)
Cripps = 49% (was 47%)
2) Walsh = 48% (was 43%)
3) Bewley = 41% (was 40%)
4) Hind = 35% (was 35%)
5) Dusty = 34% (was 34%)
6) Fyfe = 34% (was 36%)
7) Gibbons = 33% (was 28%)
8) Kelly = 25% (was 25%)
9) Miles = 25% (was 26%)
10) Constable = 22% (NEW)

Out - Libba. In - Constable.
Not much change in the mids, seems popularity of the popular players is firming.

Rucks
1)
Grundy = 44% (was 43%)
2) Fort = 33% (was 31%)
3) Gawn = 32% (was 34%)
4) Goldy = 15% (was 13%)
5) Clarke = 14% (was 15%)
6) Westhoff = 14% (was 14%)
7) Schlensog = 9% (was 10%)
8) Mummy = 8% (was 11%)
9) Martin = 8% (was 8%)
10) Bines = 7% (was 7%)

Out - None. In - None.
The clear top three remains for another week.

Forwards
1)
Danger = 66% (was 67%)
2) Setterfield = 56% (was 57%)
3) Heeney = 44% (was 42%)
4) Cavarra = 40% (was 39%)
5) Rozee = 31% (was 30%)
6) Burgess = 30% (was 27%)
7) Rankine = 28% (was 27%)
8) Smith = 24% (was 24%)
9) Parker = 24% (was 20%)
10) Mozzie = 19% (was 20%)

Out - None. In - None.
Remarkable, no changes in the top 10 order for the forwards!
 
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