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Didn't he play like 6 seasons of Sydney Grade cricket before he made his Test debut.

From memory the Lions were due to fly out on the 16th , be interesting if they held any back , in particular Foakes & Parkinson.

Test average of 27.68 , surely they have better options than him.
didn't mind stoneman last ashes tbh, talent wasn't completely there but unlike a few of other english batters his attitude was bang on for what you want from a foreign batsmen in aus. "

bloke actually showed some fight and tried to show some intent and score runs rather than being so tentative like some of these poms are this series
 
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I missed a couple of words ‘for this season’. He’s played for a few different clubs, but don’t think he’s arrived this late previously. Just seemed interesting the timing of it.
Possibly a option then , they need to do something , mind you Bairstow & Crawley don't inspire much confidence that they would be any better than Burns , Hameed & Pope.

Outside of Root , don't think I have seen a worse international batting lineup in my 50 years of following cricket.

At least Malan has shown some fight in the first 2 Tests.

How they keep persevering with guys that have career averages of 30-35 ish is beyond me , not sure how strong their batting options in the Lions were though to suggest they might do any better.

Looks like Root needs to score double centuries to make them competitor.
 
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didn't mind stoneman last ashes tbh, talent wasn't completely there but unlike a few of other english batters his attitude was bang on for what you want from a foreign batsmen in aus. "

bloke actually showed some fight and tried to show some intent and score runs rather than being so tentative like some of these poms are this series
Averaged 25.78 with a couple of half centuries , I definitely must be missing something then if that would be measured as a success.

Maybe my expectations of modern day batsman are too high , I guess we are currently carrying two ourselves who need to start scoring some runs.

Maybe they will take some of their batsman out of the Big Bash and improve that standard 😉
 
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Obviously different batting conditions all around the world , exclude Root (world class)

Hard to judge Stokes on averages alone (36.59) but Burns , Buttler , Hameed , Malan & Pope all low 30's.

Bairstow the same , Crawley less than 30 (and has scored a 267)

Something seriously wrong with England's batting depth at the moment.

Don't follow their domestic setup at all but maybe to much emphasis on white ball cricket and earning T20 contracts around the world.

Shouldn't be picking anyone with that sort of average in Test cricket.
 

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Averaged 25.78 with a couple of half centuries , I definitely must be missing something then if that would be measured as a success.

Maybe my expectations of modern day batsman are too high , I guess we are currently carrying two ourselves who need to start scoring some runs.

Maybe they will take some of their batsman out of the Big Bash and improve that standard 😉
Improve the standard of both competitions?
 
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Averaged 25.78 with a couple of half centuries , I definitely must be missing something then if that would be measured as a success.

Maybe my expectations of modern day batsman are too high , I guess we are currently carrying two ourselves who need to start scoring some runs.

Maybe they will take some of their batsman out of the Big Bash and improve that standard 😉
stoneman copped some ridiculously bad decisions, including given out off one flicking his wrist pad when it wasn't in contact with his gloves. for most of the series he was levels above cook who padded his stats with one innings in melbourne and unlike every english opener since he pretty much always got a start, and didn't look entirely incompetent against the new ball


guys like crawley and hameed got picked way too young and got exposed, pope has been dicked around bigtime, bairstow is the big one who traded being good against a red ball for white ball success, buttler has been mediocre forever in tests and should be behind foakes at least

what they really need is to see what marnus did to get given the luck of the gods, bloke has got way with everything for the better part of 3 years, i've never seen anything like it
 
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Improve the standard of both competitions?
Test lineup can't do any worse , surely the Stars have a better batting option than Clarke (so send him to their Test Squad , improves Big Bash)

Haven't seen enough of Abell & Brook.

Evans actually looked ok last game.

Duckett looks totally all at sea.
 

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Test lineup can't do any worse , surely the Stars have a better batting option than Clarke (so send him to their Test Squad , improves Big Bash)

Haven't seen enough of Abell & Brook.

Evans actually looked ok last game.

Duckett looks totally all at sea.
Agreed re Evans. He seemed to score too slowly in the first game (a run a ball 33), but did much better last game, and has scored runs in both innings he has played.

For what it’s worth the joke I was referring to I had thought was originally used in relation to the UK, but it looks like it may have been Australians:

https://mercatornet.com/raising_the_iq_of_both_countries/13840/
 
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stoneman copped some ridiculously bad decisions, including given out off one flicking his wrist pad when it wasn't in contact with his gloves. for most of the series he was levels above cook who padded his stats with one innings in melbourne and unlike every english opener since he pretty much always got a start, and didn't look entirely incompetent against the new ball


guys like crawley and hameed got picked way too young and got exposed, pope has been dicked around bigtime, bairstow is the big one who traded being good against a red ball for white ball success, buttler has been mediocre forever in tests and should be behind foakes at least

what they really need is to see what marnus did to get given the luck of the gods, bloke has got way with everything for the better part of 3 years, i've never seen anything like it
From what I have read over the years , agree what you say about Pope , he seems to be the one who misses out when they keep try to play 2 All-rounders and 2 wicket keepers in specialist batting positions.

Actually think with Pope @ 6 and WK @ 7 they have finally got their structure right , probably the wrong keeper.

Foakes should be keeping and will never understand the logic of playing 4 Quick's all similar paced to Stokes.

I guess the fact Parkinson is not even in the Squad shows that Silverwood doesn't rate him at all.

3 + Parkinson & Stokes would make things a lot better.

Obviously were hoping Archer was here (Stone was in their planning and Wood was always going to be managed)

Problem they have now (like all touring teams) is they don't have any meaningful games before or during the series so their batsmen can try and get some confidence and scores , so very limited in what they can do moving forward , Bairstow & Crawley the only options unless they do select from outside the Squad.

Can't understand why the Lions came out here for essentially one game , although with Big Bash hard to schedule anything else , really need a Lions v Australia A game around the Boxing Day or New Year's Test as well.

As much as I want Australia to win , certainly hope their batting improves dramatically otherwise could lose interest very quickly.
 
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Obviously different batting conditions all around the world , exclude Root (world class)

Hard to judge Stokes on averages alone (36.59) but Burns , Buttler , Hameed , Malan & Pope all low 30's.

Bairstow the same , Crawley less than 30 (and has scored a 267)

Something seriously wrong with England's batting depth at the moment.

Don't follow their domestic setup at all but maybe to much emphasis on white ball cricket and earning T20 contracts around the world.

Shouldn't be picking anyone with that sort of average in Test cricket.
Forgot all about Lawrence being in the Test Squad , averages 27.23 from 8 Tests
 
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