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J Sicily:
2018 SC:
2018 Avg: 105.07 from 14
Wins: 111.5 from 8 (low of 61 and a high of 145, 2/8 below 100, 3/8 120+)
Losses: 96.5 from 6 (low of 77 and a high of 123, 4/6 below 100, 1/6 120+)
Pre Bye: 105 from 9 (low of 61 and a high of 145, 3/9 below 100, 3/9 120+)
Post Bye: 105.2 from 5 (low of 90 and a high of 135, 3/5 below 100, 1/5 120+)
Disposals: 23.9
SC Avg when disposals equal/exceed 24: 114.29 from 7 (low of 90 and a high of 145, 2/7 below 100, 3/7 120+)
SC Avg when disposals below 24: 95.86 from 7 (low of 61 and a high of 135, 4/7 below 100, 1/7 120+)
Marks: 7.5
SC Avg when marks equal/exceed 8: 112.57 from 7 (low of 92 and a high of 145, 2/7 below 100, 2/7 120+)
SC Avg when marks below 8: 97.57 from 7 (low of 61 and a high of 135, 4/7 below 100, 2/7 120+)
2019 SC:
2019 Avg: 93.82 from 22
Wins: 100.64 from 11 (low of 47 and a high of 140, 5/11 below 100, 4/11 120+)
Losses: 87 from 11 (low of 40 and a high of 119, 8/11 below 100, 0/11 120+)
Pre Bye: 99.82 from 11 (low of 75 and a high of 127, 5/11 below 100, 1/11 120+)
Post Bye: 87.82 from 11 (low of 40 and a high of 141, 8/11 below 100, 3/11 120+)
Disposals: 21.09
SC Avg when disposals equal/exceed 22: 114.3 from 10 (low of 91 and a high of 141, 2/10 below 100, 3/10 120+)
SC Avg when disposals below 22: 76.75 from 12 (low of 40 and a high of 124, 11/12 below 100, 1/12 120+)
Marks: 7.18
SC Avg when marks equal/exceed 8: 108.55 from 11 (low of 75 and a high of 141, 3/11 below 100, 3/11 120+)
SC Avg when marks below 8: 79.09 from 11 (low of 40 and a high of 140, 10/11 below 100, 1/11 120+)
Since his breakout post bye in 2017 he has only managed 7 games below 18 disposals from 46 matches with 5 of those occurring post bye 2019.
SC avg since post bye 2017: 96.72 from 46
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 18 since post bye 2017: 104.56 from 39 (3/39 below 80, 22/39 100+)
SC avg when disposals below 18 since post bye 2017: 53 from 7 (5/7 below 65, 7/7 below 80)
Also during that period has averaged 22.61 disposals from 46 matches.
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 23 since post bye 2017: 112.35 from 26 (low of 87 and a high of 145, 7/26 below 100, 8/26 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 23 since post bye 2017: 76.4 from 20 (low of 25 and a high of 124, 17/20 below 100, 1/20 120+)
2018 SC:
2018 Avg: 105.07 from 14
Wins: 111.5 from 8 (low of 61 and a high of 145, 2/8 below 100, 3/8 120+)
Losses: 96.5 from 6 (low of 77 and a high of 123, 4/6 below 100, 1/6 120+)
Pre Bye: 105 from 9 (low of 61 and a high of 145, 3/9 below 100, 3/9 120+)
Post Bye: 105.2 from 5 (low of 90 and a high of 135, 3/5 below 100, 1/5 120+)
Disposals: 23.9
SC Avg when disposals equal/exceed 24: 114.29 from 7 (low of 90 and a high of 145, 2/7 below 100, 3/7 120+)
SC Avg when disposals below 24: 95.86 from 7 (low of 61 and a high of 135, 4/7 below 100, 1/7 120+)
Marks: 7.5
SC Avg when marks equal/exceed 8: 112.57 from 7 (low of 92 and a high of 145, 2/7 below 100, 2/7 120+)
SC Avg when marks below 8: 97.57 from 7 (low of 61 and a high of 135, 4/7 below 100, 2/7 120+)
2019 SC:
2019 Avg: 93.82 from 22
Wins: 100.64 from 11 (low of 47 and a high of 140, 5/11 below 100, 4/11 120+)
Losses: 87 from 11 (low of 40 and a high of 119, 8/11 below 100, 0/11 120+)
Pre Bye: 99.82 from 11 (low of 75 and a high of 127, 5/11 below 100, 1/11 120+)
Post Bye: 87.82 from 11 (low of 40 and a high of 141, 8/11 below 100, 3/11 120+)
Disposals: 21.09
SC Avg when disposals equal/exceed 22: 114.3 from 10 (low of 91 and a high of 141, 2/10 below 100, 3/10 120+)
SC Avg when disposals below 22: 76.75 from 12 (low of 40 and a high of 124, 11/12 below 100, 1/12 120+)
Marks: 7.18
SC Avg when marks equal/exceed 8: 108.55 from 11 (low of 75 and a high of 141, 3/11 below 100, 3/11 120+)
SC Avg when marks below 8: 79.09 from 11 (low of 40 and a high of 140, 10/11 below 100, 1/11 120+)
Since his breakout post bye in 2017 he has only managed 7 games below 18 disposals from 46 matches with 5 of those occurring post bye 2019.
SC avg since post bye 2017: 96.72 from 46
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 18 since post bye 2017: 104.56 from 39 (3/39 below 80, 22/39 100+)
SC avg when disposals below 18 since post bye 2017: 53 from 7 (5/7 below 65, 7/7 below 80)
Also during that period has averaged 22.61 disposals from 46 matches.
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 23 since post bye 2017: 112.35 from 26 (low of 87 and a high of 145, 7/26 below 100, 8/26 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 23 since post bye 2017: 76.4 from 20 (low of 25 and a high of 124, 17/20 below 100, 1/20 120+)
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J Dawson:
Avg without J McVeigh in 2019: 90.27 from 15 (6/15 below 80, 10/15 below 100, 1/15 120+)
Career disposals avg: 17.4
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 18: 99.18 from 11 (low of 64 and a high of 120, 1/11 below 80, 7/12 below 100, 1/11 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 18: 64.57 from 14 (low of 32 and a high of 105, 12/14 below 80, 13/14 below 100)
Career marks avg: 5.36
SC avg when marks equal/exceed 6: 93.18 from 11 (low of 54 and a high of 117, 2/11 below 80, 6/11 below 100)
SC avg when marks below 6: 69.29 from 14 (11/14 below 80, 13/14 below 100, 1/14 120+)
Career TOG%: 79.96%
SC avg when TOG equals/exceeds 80%: 89.75 from 16 (low of 64 and a high of 120, 6/16 below 80, 11/16 below 100, 1/16 120+)
SC avg when TOG below 80%: 62.11 from 9 (low of 32 and a high of 117, 7/9 below 80, 8/9 below 100)
Avg without J McVeigh in 2019: 90.27 from 15 (6/15 below 80, 10/15 below 100, 1/15 120+)
Career disposals avg: 17.4
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 18: 99.18 from 11 (low of 64 and a high of 120, 1/11 below 80, 7/12 below 100, 1/11 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 18: 64.57 from 14 (low of 32 and a high of 105, 12/14 below 80, 13/14 below 100)
Career marks avg: 5.36
SC avg when marks equal/exceed 6: 93.18 from 11 (low of 54 and a high of 117, 2/11 below 80, 6/11 below 100)
SC avg when marks below 6: 69.29 from 14 (11/14 below 80, 13/14 below 100, 1/14 120+)
Career TOG%: 79.96%
SC avg when TOG equals/exceeds 80%: 89.75 from 16 (low of 64 and a high of 120, 6/16 below 80, 11/16 below 100, 1/16 120+)
SC avg when TOG below 80%: 62.11 from 9 (low of 32 and a high of 117, 7/9 below 80, 8/9 below 100)
Until 2019 Jordan got by by cruising. Then he got a rocket. This pre-season he has won the 2K. His fitness seems to be some way ahead of last year, which was way ahead of 2018. Apparently a lot of good football judges at the swans are now sold on him. They never doubted his ability, just his application.
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J Dawson:
Avg without J McVeigh in 2019: 90.27 from 15 (6/15 below 80, 10/15 below 100, 1/15 120+)
Career disposals avg: 17.4
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 18: 99.18 from 11 (low of 64 and a high of 120, 1/11 below 80, 7/12 below 100, 1/11 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 18: 64.57 from 14 (low of 32 and a high of 105, 12/14 below 80, 13/14 below 100)
Career marks avg: 5.36
SC avg when marks equal/exceed 6: 93.18 from 11 (low of 54 and a high of 117, 2/11 below 80, 6/11 below 100)
SC avg when marks below 6: 69.29 from 14 (11/14 below 80, 13/14 below 100, 1/14 120+)
Career TOG%: 79.96%
SC avg when TOG equals/exceeds 80%: 89.75 from 16 (low of 64 and a high of 120, 6/16 below 80, 11/16 below 100, 1/16 120+)
SC avg when TOG below 80%: 62.11 from 9 (low of 32 and a high of 117, 7/9 below 80, 8/9 below 100)
Avg without J McVeigh in 2019: 90.27 from 15 (6/15 below 80, 10/15 below 100, 1/15 120+)
Career disposals avg: 17.4
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 18: 99.18 from 11 (low of 64 and a high of 120, 1/11 below 80, 7/12 below 100, 1/11 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 18: 64.57 from 14 (low of 32 and a high of 105, 12/14 below 80, 13/14 below 100)
Career marks avg: 5.36
SC avg when marks equal/exceed 6: 93.18 from 11 (low of 54 and a high of 117, 2/11 below 80, 6/11 below 100)
SC avg when marks below 6: 69.29 from 14 (11/14 below 80, 13/14 below 100, 1/14 120+)
Career TOG%: 79.96%
SC avg when TOG equals/exceeds 80%: 89.75 from 16 (low of 64 and a high of 120, 6/16 below 80, 11/16 below 100, 1/16 120+)
SC avg when TOG below 80%: 62.11 from 9 (low of 32 and a high of 117, 7/9 below 80, 8/9 below 100)
@Connoisseur thanks for the offer! How about potential break out crow Wayne Milera? Shoulder issues last year hampered what was meant to be his break out year in 2019. He has been played all over the place and my hunch is he won't get enough of it unless he is playing off the HBF where people will use him and he is also quite a nice intercept/contested mark. If he looks like his will be settled off the HBF all year then I am interested.
If I was to take a stab at who brings the pace to the crows mid in 2020 it would be Chayce Jones and Brodie Smith.
I think Wayne will get some rotations but not sure he quite has the footy IQ yet to go into the mid for any decent minutes...he just can't find it enough like a Josh Kelly or Lachie Whitfield type. His 2 way running required on the wing may not be the best yet either. He struggled last year being thrown all over the ground and I think a year in one spot to build his confidence and then a crack at more midfield time in 2021
I would be more confident picking Milera from an SC scoring perspective if he was off HBF but he is certainly worth a close watch in the pre-season at 402k. Plenty were picking him last year at a higher cost and he will be fitter a year on barring and injuries.
I think Wayne will get some rotations but not sure he quite has the footy IQ yet to go into the mid for any decent minutes...he just can't find it enough like a Josh Kelly or Lachie Whitfield type. His 2 way running required on the wing may not be the best yet either. He struggled last year being thrown all over the ground and I think a year in one spot to build his confidence and then a crack at more midfield time in 2021
I would be more confident picking Milera from an SC scoring perspective if he was off HBF but he is certainly worth a close watch in the pre-season at 402k. Plenty were picking him last year at a higher cost and he will be fitter a year on barring and injuries.
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S Docherty:
2016 to 2017 Avg: 111.73 from 44 (4/44 below 80, 11/44 below 100, 16/44 120+)
Disposal avg between the aforementioned period: 26.80
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 27: 122.17 from 24 (1/24 below 80, 2/24 below 100, 14/24 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 27: 99.2 from 20 (3/20 below 80, 9/20 below 100, 2/20 120+)
2016 to 2017 Avg: 111.73 from 44 (4/44 below 80, 11/44 below 100, 16/44 120+)
Disposal avg between the aforementioned period: 26.80
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 27: 122.17 from 24 (1/24 below 80, 2/24 below 100, 14/24 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 27: 99.2 from 20 (3/20 below 80, 9/20 below 100, 2/20 120+)
Everyone seems to be locking in Sam Lockerty but he hasn't played for two years. I don't think he'll know where his lungs are after 5 minutes of the first quarter.
Even if he has a good start he's not that cheap and his price won't get away from us that quickly.
I'm prepared to not start him.
Even if he has a good start he's not that cheap and his price won't get away from us that quickly.
I'm prepared to not start him.
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He is currently priced at around an 80.3 average. It is possible it could take him a while to get back to his best form, agreed. Worst case he's a bust and may cost a corrective trade (for probably half the people in the comp). Best case he ends up a top 6 defender again like his last two seasons for only 436K.
I think at worst he'll make at least reasonable cash, if not end up being a keeper and as mentioned will be a very popular pick. I'm all for having POD selections, not picking him is likely to be a POD, but he is still a lock for me. May take a few weeks to get fully up to speed but it should be easier for a defender, where there can be a lot of cheap possessions.
I think at worst he'll make at least reasonable cash, if not end up being a keeper and as mentioned will be a very popular pick. I'm all for having POD selections, not picking him is likely to be a POD, but he is still a lock for me. May take a few weeks to get fully up to speed but it should be easier for a defender, where there can be a lot of cheap possessions.
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S Petrevski-Seton:
Pre Bye 2019: 83.31 from 13 (low of 34 and a high of 136, 6/13 below 80, 10/13 below 100, 1/13 120+)
Post Bye 2019: 79.22 from 9 (low of 28 and a high of 113, 6/9 below 80, 7/9 below 100)
Career disposals avg: 16.47
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 17: 87.65 from 31 (14/31 below 80, 23/31 below 100, 2/31 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 17: 57.91 from 33 (28/33 below 80, 32/33 below 100, 0/33 120+)
Career contested possessions avg: 6.84
SC avg when contested possessions equal/exceed 7: 86.29 from 34 (14/34 below 80, 25/34 below 100, 2/34 120+)
SC avg when contested possessions below 7: 56.47 from 30 (28/30 below 80, 30/30 below 100, 0/30 120+)
Pre Bye 2019: 83.31 from 13 (low of 34 and a high of 136, 6/13 below 80, 10/13 below 100, 1/13 120+)
Post Bye 2019: 79.22 from 9 (low of 28 and a high of 113, 6/9 below 80, 7/9 below 100)
Career disposals avg: 16.47
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 17: 87.65 from 31 (14/31 below 80, 23/31 below 100, 2/31 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 17: 57.91 from 33 (28/33 below 80, 32/33 below 100, 0/33 120+)
Career contested possessions avg: 6.84
SC avg when contested possessions equal/exceed 7: 86.29 from 34 (14/34 below 80, 25/34 below 100, 2/34 120+)
SC avg when contested possessions below 7: 56.47 from 30 (28/30 below 80, 30/30 below 100, 0/30 120+)
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As requested by @Merv Neagle
A Witherden:
Career disposals avg: 18.86
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 19: 92.35 from 34 (10/34 below 80, 24/34 below 100, 3/34 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 19: 54.29 from 17 (16/17 below 80, 17/17 below 100)
Only 1 100 scored in 2019 which was the 10th for his career and the 1st time that it occurred with less than 27 disposals.
A Witherden:
Career disposals avg: 18.86
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 19: 92.35 from 34 (10/34 below 80, 24/34 below 100, 3/34 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 19: 54.29 from 17 (16/17 below 80, 17/17 below 100)
Only 1 100 scored in 2019 which was the 10th for his career and the 1st time that it occurred with less than 27 disposals.