Position Defenders Discussion

Which defenders will you be starting? (new poll 4/3/19)

  • Lloyd $608

    Votes: 33 22.9%
  • Laird $588

    Votes: 49 34.0%
  • Sicily $570

    Votes: 12 8.3%
  • Simpson $570

    Votes: 2 1.4%
  • Whitfield $542

    Votes: 73 50.7%
  • Witherden $455

    Votes: 24 16.7%
  • Williams $408

    Votes: 110 76.4%
  • Newman $394

    Votes: 11 7.6%
  • Smith $333

    Votes: 68 47.2%
  • Roberton $298 or Hanley $296

    Votes: 36 25.0%

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I don’t mind the Hanley pick, I normally shy away from those types but there’s a bunch of mid pricers at the same price point this year. If he spuds it up or gets injured early I think it will be fairly easy to replace him in one trade through DPP with Roberton, Miles, Greene, Daniher, Hanners & Libba amongst others a like for like replacement.

He’s shown he can score well when fit but age and history has me leaning towards the others mentioned at this point. He feels a lot like the Daniel Wells pick in 16 or 17 whenever it was and he ended up being incredibly beneficial for those that started him.
Yeah he is at a similar price points to a lot of these players and they should remain close in price if he gets injured early on. I just don't reckon he can be trusted at this stage after his last few years, but that's me, he could be over whatever it was that was messing with him up so who knows. I think the Wells pick was a bit different in that his elite scoring was only two years behind him so it was a stepping stone and also a potential keeper pick. The last time Hanley went over 90 was in 2014 when he averaged 103. The Wells pick was really all of us getting lucky in 2016 in my opinion, that season is definitely the anomaly amongst his last 5 years. I know Roberton is coming off a health scare but at the same price you get a player who is not normally injury prone who has gone 90+ 2/3 of his last full seasons.

Edit: I should say I prefer B Smith to Roberton because Roberton is apparently one the leagues most prolific kick to self at kick in players meaning Smith should see a bigger increase in scoring, the 6-6-6 rule is worse for Roberton as an intercepter and when he played as a spare.
 
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Roberton (St Kilda)
Ah, the inconsistent, injury prone St Kilda player who has only ever played one full season. I suppose he just needs to hold it together for 6-8 games, throwing in a few 100+ scores along the way, to be a chance to be a stepping stone.
 

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Ah, the inconsistent, injury prone St Kilda player who has only ever played one full season. I suppose he just needs to hold it together for 6-8 games, throwing in a few 100+ scores along the way, to be a chance to be a stepping stone.
He played 20/22 games in 15/17 averaging 90+

Not that much of a surprise people are picking him
 
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Ah, the inconsistent, injury prone St Kilda player who has only ever played one full season. I suppose he just needs to hold it together for 6-8 games, throwing in a few 100+ scores along the way, to be a chance to be a stepping stone.
misses the majority of last season with a heart scare 🤔

bit harsh calling him injury prone with that , but each to their own
 

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Ah, the inconsistent, injury prone St Kilda player who has only ever played one full season. I suppose he just needs to hold it together for 6-8 games, throwing in a few 100+ scores along the way, to be a chance to be a stepping stone.
I don’t think he’s too injury prone is he? Other than last year he missed 4 in 16’and 3 in 15’ unless I have my players mixed up?
 

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Games 11, 14, 10, 20, 7, 20, 18, 22, 4. Ignoring 2018, he has missed 2 or more games in every season bar 2017. He is no Simpson.

2016 rounds 4-7
2015 round 11/12 (which wasn't the bye), 21
2014 rounds 3-15, 20-22
2013 round 18, 22

2013-present he has been at St Kilda.
 
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Games 11, 14, 10, 20, 7, 20, 18, 22, 4. Ignoring 2018, he has missed 2 or more games in every season bar 2017. He is no Simpson.

2016 rounds 4-7
2015 round 11/12 (which wasn't the bye), 21
2014 rounds 3-15, 20-22
2013 round 18, 22

2013-present he has been at St Kilda.
Same could be said for Fyfe & Greene yet people are picking them aswell as Robbo because they have proven to play 20 games @ 90-100+
 

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Same could be said for Fyfe & Greene yet people are picking them aswell as Robbo because they have proven to play 20 games @ 90-100+
The same has been said about Fyfe and Greene, there are many discussions on here about how injury prone Fyfe and Greene are, and the merits of picking them.

Greene has only one season of 20+ games and a 90+ average.
 
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My point is they’ve proved they can score like that for a season.

I’ve got all 3.
I hope for all their sakes, and their teams, that they play 22 games and, as a result, have their highest ranking points season. Unfortunately, their history indicates that it is unlikely one, let alone all three, will achieve at that level.
 

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Games 11, 14, 10, 20, 7, 20, 18, 22, 4. Ignoring 2018, he has missed 2 or more games in every season bar 2017. He is no Simpson.

2016 rounds 4-7
2015 round 11/12 (which wasn't the bye), 21
2014 rounds 3-15, 20-22
2013 round 18, 22

2013-present he has been at St Kilda.
2014 he spent almost the entire year in the VFL. If we look at his numbers since he’s been established as a senior player and remove last season as an outlier due to the rarity of the injury, he’s played 60/66 games at ~86 average, including a full year where he was played out of his preferred position. He did start last year poorly with 2/3 under 90 before the injury which is probably my largest concern.

I won’t argue that he doesn’t come with obvious risks and he’s currently not in my side as a result, but I don’t think him being an injury prone player is one of them.

If he could return 20 @ 86 this year starting at 297k, without crunching the numbers, I think he’d go close to making his 150k by mid season wouldn’t he? I’m not great with projected prices but I’m sure someone more adept could clarify that.
 

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2014 he spent almost the entire year in the VFL. If we look at his numbers since he’s been established as a senior player and remove last season as an outlier due to the rarity of the injury, he’s played 60/66 games at ~86 average, including a full year where he was played out of his preferred position. He did start last year poorly with 2/3 under 90 before the injury which is probably my largest concern.

I won’t argue that he doesn’t come with obvious risks and he’s currently not in my side as a result, but I don’t think him being an injury prone player is one of them.

If he could return 20 @ 86 this year starting at 297k, without crunching the numbers, I think he’d go close to making his 150k by mid season wouldn’t he? I’m not great with projected prices but I’m sure someone more adept could clarify that.
In 2014 he came back to preseason with a bad ankle despite post season surgery), he admits that he didn't work enough and failed to fully inform the medical staff of his ankle issues. Hence, his time in the VFL with many games missed resting his injury. http://www.saints.com.au/news/2015-05-08/robertons-resurgence
 

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If he could return 20 @ 86 this year starting at 297k, without crunching the numbers, I think he’d go close to making his 150k by mid season wouldn’t he? I’m not great with projected prices but I’m sure someone more adept could clarify that.
This is from 2 or 3 seasons ago, but should still remain somewhat accurate?

Players starting at 300k and their price changes when averaging 80, 90 and 100ppg.

A 300K player scoring 80 90 and 100 looks like this_zpstq95kguz.jpg
 

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This is from 2 or 3 seasons ago, but should still remain somewhat accurate?

Players starting at 300k and their price changes when averaging 80, 90 and 100ppg.

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Beauty, thanks mate. So he’d make around 100k and give you 680 odd points over 8 weeks, not too shabby but probably just below what you’d want for a successful pick.

Useful resource that one, much appreciated.
 

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Roberton averaged 78.7 from his last 10 games to 2017 (after going at a 104 avg from the 12 games before that). Plenty got burnt bringing him in after his good start. That's the main thing that makes me hesitant to pick him - what's his true scoring range? 90-100 or 80? Started off averaging 80 in 2018 as well. Was there some sort of role change in the second half of 2017?

Midpricers are usually tricky in defence as the rookies tend to be better. If there are rookies averaging 70-75 odd, it makes those 300k players averaging 80 odd list cloggers and not as attractive. I prefer mid pricers in the forward line as the rookies usually aren't as strong, so you might be gaining 20-25ppg having an 80 avg player on the field rather than a 50-55avg rookie.
 

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I'm hoping Roberton will score a mixture of 80s, 90's and 100's and then be upgraded later. If he turns out to average mainly in the mid 90s, then I'll be tempted to keep him. If he is averaging under 90s, then I would be disappointed and when to trade him out will be a tough decision.
 

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very interesting , want to be confident Williamson , Collins and Rozee would be Ave 70-75+ to make enough $$$
although sometimes you need to consider JS more as well
Wouldn’t be surprised if Collins goes at 75! Williamson is still in the rehab group so is unlikely to be there come round one.

I’m unsure on Rozee at this stage. It seems he’ll play more mid/fwd rather than def. Could be decent depending on the amount of mid time. First year fwd rookies usually aren’t as good is my general impression over the years.
 
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