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What’s that saying, a tiger never changes its stripes...
With or without that suspension he seems quite injury prone anyway. If I remember correctly he missed weeks on multiple occasions last year so it just wasn’t the one bad injury but multiple minor ones (not sure what’s worse?).
I figured that would be the main reason but I’m not sure it justifies the starting price if he averages 100 for example.
What would you consider a pass mark average and games wise out of curiosity?
With or without that suspension he seems quite injury prone anyway. If I remember correctly he missed weeks on multiple occasions last year so it just wasn’t the one bad injury but multiple minor ones (not sure what’s worse?).
I figured that would be the main reason but I’m not sure it justifies the starting price if he averages 100 for example.
What would you consider a pass mark average and games wise out of curiosity?
What’s that saying, a tiger never changes its stripes...
With or without that suspension he seems quite injury prone anyway. If I remember correctly he missed weeks on multiple occasions last year so it just wasn’t the one bad injury but multiple minor ones (not sure what’s worse?).
I figured that would be the main reason but I’m not sure it justifies the starting price if he averages 100 for example.
What would you consider a pass mark average and games wise out of curiosity?
With or without that suspension he seems quite injury prone anyway. If I remember correctly he missed weeks on multiple occasions last year so it just wasn’t the one bad injury but multiple minor ones (not sure what’s worse?).
I figured that would be the main reason but I’m not sure it justifies the starting price if he averages 100 for example.
What would you consider a pass mark average and games wise out of curiosity?
My point is that there are half a dozen plus blokes that are capable of doing what Treloar/Oliver will do (Mid premiums are an abundant food source) and maybe only Dusty in the forwards that will match Whitfield.. which is why Whitfield is a better selection should they all all average ballpark the same.
Thanks mate. I probably didn’t articulate it well but I was more focusing on the points-on-field side of things and that you know what you’re getting when you spend $600k on Oliver/Treloar over Whitfield.
Good point about the abundant 110 midfield options though. I’m possibly being too points driven and not taking into account the bigger pool of discounted midfielders I’ll have access to later in the year.
Without derailing the thread, will you be starting Lloyd for similar reasons to Whitfield?
Good point about the abundant 110 midfield options though. I’m possibly being too points driven and not taking into account the bigger pool of discounted midfielders I’ll have access to later in the year.
Without derailing the thread, will you be starting Lloyd for similar reasons to Whitfield?
After the early season carnage of Jack Darling last year, along with the up and down form of Jeremy Cameron...I am simply not going to start any KPF this year. Would rather just get rookies and players with DPP fwd/mid status.
Although I'm slightly doubtful if some of the forward rookies this year will generate a lot of cash...right now no one really stands out that you can say "yup he's gonna get me at least 200k"...
Although I'm slightly doubtful if some of the forward rookies this year will generate a lot of cash...right now no one really stands out that you can say "yup he's gonna get me at least 200k"...
No talk at all about Toby Greene, and I can understand the probable reasons why. At his best he's easily top 3-4 FWD and finished last year in a blaze at 111.7 for his last 9 matches. At 26 yo has he finally reached a level of maturity that will keep his worst impulses under control on the field ? I love him as a footballer and inevitably find myself putting him in my team as a starter more often than not. You take the good with the bad when it comes to Toby but the main concern for me is his dispersion of scores. He rarely gets scores in the 90s, they are either putrid (for him) sub 90s efforts or big tons. It's never boring that's for sure but I see him as possibly a better starter than Dusty who is almost always slow off the blocks and therefore a R8-10 upgrade target. Anyone else thinking about Toby ?
Had a quick look at Greenwood today to see if there was anything in his stats that might give any insight (and needed a break at work tbh).
His TOG% has historically been pretty low, 71% on average 2017-2019:
His CP basically track square with the TOG (and I don't see a big reason for his CP rate to drop off much at GCS):
And his uncontested possessions have always been low (so if GCS stay low possession, that shouldn't impact him a heap, I guess):
He's always gone at around a 6 tackle per game clip (and I guess he'll be tackling his clacker off up there):
Guess it comes down to (i) can he increase TOG (ii) what will the squeeze of GCS traditionally grabbing a smaller share of points vs oppo be?
He went from being stuck in the <73% range in 2016 to a good ratio of 73-85 and even a couple of 85+% games in 2018 and even being in the doghouse in 2019 still had 5 games in the 73-85 range, so he should be capable of it.
If he can stay in that range, he's viable, he's a mid 90's average type if he gets the TOG.
Anyone who read this far must think I'm a deadset nutjob. But it only took 10 mins and it was interesting just to look at this sort of gear.
His TOG% has historically been pretty low, 71% on average 2017-2019:
His CP basically track square with the TOG (and I don't see a big reason for his CP rate to drop off much at GCS):
And his uncontested possessions have always been low (so if GCS stay low possession, that shouldn't impact him a heap, I guess):
He's always gone at around a 6 tackle per game clip (and I guess he'll be tackling his clacker off up there):
Guess it comes down to (i) can he increase TOG (ii) what will the squeeze of GCS traditionally grabbing a smaller share of points vs oppo be?
He went from being stuck in the <73% range in 2016 to a good ratio of 73-85 and even a couple of 85+% games in 2018 and even being in the doghouse in 2019 still had 5 games in the 73-85 range, so he should be capable of it.
If he can stay in that range, he's viable, he's a mid 90's average type if he gets the TOG.
Anyone who read this far must think I'm a deadset nutjob. But it only took 10 mins and it was interesting just to look at this sort of gear.
What’s that saying, a tiger never changes its stripes...
With or without that suspension he seems quite injury prone anyway. If I remember correctly he missed weeks on multiple occasions last year so it just wasn’t the one bad injury but multiple minor ones (not sure what’s worse?).
I figured that would be the main reason but I’m not sure it justifies the starting price if he averages 100 for example.
What would you consider a pass mark average and games wise out of curiosity?
With or without that suspension he seems quite injury prone anyway. If I remember correctly he missed weeks on multiple occasions last year so it just wasn’t the one bad injury but multiple minor ones (not sure what’s worse?).
I figured that would be the main reason but I’m not sure it justifies the starting price if he averages 100 for example.
What would you consider a pass mark average and games wise out of curiosity?
Probably to early to label him a true injury prone player and only the future can tell if he ends up that way.
Highly unlikely IMO. The number of games he misses each season is appalling and only exceeded by his appalling on field behaviour that is constantly excused as being because he is someone who "plays close to the line". For me the number of games he misses just make him impossible to start. No doubt he has enormous talent and could be a real star if he wasn't such a d***head. The real shame is that sometimes his behaviour damages his teams chances of winning games and that is a complete no no.
The good scores came with the on-ball role, prior to that he was around 80 on the year.
Can’t see him having the lucrative role with Coniglio, Ward returns, Hopper / Taranto developing further and GWS liking what he offers up forward.
Always a durability risk, the odd brainfade.
Like him, too, but seems a big risk.
Can’t see him having the lucrative role with Coniglio, Ward returns, Hopper / Taranto developing further and GWS liking what he offers up forward.
Always a durability risk, the odd brainfade.
Like him, too, but seems a big risk.
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Sorry, but all I saw was pretty colours.
After that analysis the conclusion that I come to is that he's a 'wait n see' type, not a starter. Great effort though
After that analysis the conclusion that I come to is that he's a 'wait n see' type, not a starter. Great effort though
Very interesting stuff ... TOG upside is one of the more certain sources of SC improvement in my view, so this has me thinking - especially if I need a Heeney replacement.
The o***et is how bad GC mids tend to score. One to ponder though, some of his numbers are at/close to elite levels, which is pretty impressive given the stage he is at.
The o***et is how bad GC mids tend to score. One to ponder though, some of his numbers are at/close to elite levels, which is pretty impressive given the stage he is at.
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I have so many potentially good midpriced players to squeeze into my team, that I am having trouble choosing which ones. Greenwood is one of them. The concern I have with Greenwood is that GCS Mids don't score high. Champion Data identifies Greenwood as the only elite player at GCS, so that to me says he will the most tagged each week, hmmm.
By the way, I appreciate that you summarised each graph so it made sense to me
By the way, I appreciate that you summarised each graph so it made sense to me