Grand Final: Teams, Predictions & In Game Discussion
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So how many venues were you planning to put on hold, and when do you put them on hold? You can't possibly hold all 8 finals' teams home venues right?... Even if you do manage to sort out this "holding process", were you planning to help AFL finance the unnecessary expenditure o f reserving all these venues?
Each of those are seven game series (played home and away), so in theory, more people can attend. Yet the venue size would suggest otherwise. Are you suggesting a best of three Final series?
The All Ireland Football and Hurling is always played at Croke Park and the English FA Cup at Wembley.
The All Ireland Football and Hurling is always played at Croke Park and the English FA Cup at Wembley.
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My own personal view is the Grand Final should be played at the MCG for the simple reason that I believe the event would be significantly diminished if it wasn’t. However I do understand (and probably agree with) the argument that it is unfair in principle on the Non-Victorian to travel to play the GF at the MCG against a lower qualified opponent particularly when it is a tenant of the ground as will happen this week.
At the risk of muddying the waters further after those two apparently contradictory statements I also have a theory that playing the GF at the MCG does not provide any observable advantage to the Victorian based team anyway. If it did then you would expect to see that reflected in the GF results however an analysis of the results reveals the following.
In the 27 years from 1991 when Haw beat WC (at Waverley) there have been 16 grand finals played between Victorian and Non-Victorian teams with the results going 8 each way. Interestedly it was 8-3 in favour of the Non- Victorian team after 2012 but the Victorian team has won the last 5 in a row. Now I suspect that 27 years is probably still too small a sample size to be definitive but it doesn’t exactly destroy my theory either.
Finally it should not be lost that if you subscribe to the view that the Non-Victorian team is disadvantaged by having to play a Melbourne based team in Melb, then the current policy does actually benefit the Non-Victorian when they are the lower ranked qualifier against another Non-Victorian team and avoid having to play at that team’s home ground. Whilst that has only happened 3 times to date; statistically, as the newer non-Victorian teams mature, that should happen more frequently. With 8 non-Victorian teams, when a Non-Victorian team qualifies for the GF there should be a 7 in 17 (41%) chance that the other team is also Non-Victorian.
At the risk of muddying the waters further after those two apparently contradictory statements I also have a theory that playing the GF at the MCG does not provide any observable advantage to the Victorian based team anyway. If it did then you would expect to see that reflected in the GF results however an analysis of the results reveals the following.
In the 27 years from 1991 when Haw beat WC (at Waverley) there have been 16 grand finals played between Victorian and Non-Victorian teams with the results going 8 each way. Interestedly it was 8-3 in favour of the Non- Victorian team after 2012 but the Victorian team has won the last 5 in a row. Now I suspect that 27 years is probably still too small a sample size to be definitive but it doesn’t exactly destroy my theory either.
Finally it should not be lost that if you subscribe to the view that the Non-Victorian team is disadvantaged by having to play a Melbourne based team in Melb, then the current policy does actually benefit the Non-Victorian when they are the lower ranked qualifier against another Non-Victorian team and avoid having to play at that team’s home ground. Whilst that has only happened 3 times to date; statistically, as the newer non-Victorian teams mature, that should happen more frequently. With 8 non-Victorian teams, when a Non-Victorian team qualifies for the GF there should be a 7 in 17 (41%) chance that the other team is also Non-Victorian.
Is the AFL Fixture a fair and even schedule?
Do non MCG tenants have a favourable schedule over non MCG tenaants?
Do non Victorian teams have a favourable schedule over Victorian teams by playing 12 interstate games per year and then playing a number of games at the MCG?
Is the "Finals Bye" a larger skewer of outcomes than the Final/Grand Final fixtures?
11 out of 28 AFL Premierships have been won by a non-Victorian teams. Name an interstate loser who was "so close yet was so far" due to having to travel?
At the end of the day, the players are trying to get paid as much as the can get, the coaches likewise and the residual gets down to the grass roots after the gravy train.
Do non MCG tenants have a favourable schedule over non MCG tenaants?
Do non Victorian teams have a favourable schedule over Victorian teams by playing 12 interstate games per year and then playing a number of games at the MCG?
Is the "Finals Bye" a larger skewer of outcomes than the Final/Grand Final fixtures?
11 out of 28 AFL Premierships have been won by a non-Victorian teams. Name an interstate loser who was "so close yet was so far" due to having to travel?
At the end of the day, the players are trying to get paid as much as the can get, the coaches likewise and the residual gets down to the grass roots after the gravy train.
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Just realised Brodie Grundy was actually the #1 supercoach player of the year, narrowly beating Gawn and Mitchell
33 points jump from 97 average to 130 average @ 22 games
12/22 games 130+ points
18/22 games 110+ points
22/22 games 95+ points
It would take some extraodinary coaching to contain Grundy with just Lycett and Vardy
33 points jump from 97 average to 130 average @ 22 games
12/22 games 130+ points
18/22 games 110+ points
22/22 games 95+ points
It would take some extraodinary coaching to contain Grundy with just Lycett and Vardy
Amazing watching Grundy follow up his own ruck work at ground level and link up around the ground.
Said to someone years ago that he will end up as good as Dean Cox was.
suspect Lycett/Vardy will be instructed to try and drag him inside their forward 50 at every opportunity.
With only Goldy , Howe and Langdon we are going to be stretched big time.
Think Moore or Reid will come in for Aish.
Hopefully Grundy can get into our Forward 50 and cause problems as well.
Mayne & Mihocek become important again and must make McGovern and Barasss accountable.
Cox needs to keep moving , leading and jumping for the ball like last week.
Said to someone years ago that he will end up as good as Dean Cox was.
suspect Lycett/Vardy will be instructed to try and drag him inside their forward 50 at every opportunity.
With only Goldy , Howe and Langdon we are going to be stretched big time.
Think Moore or Reid will come in for Aish.
Hopefully Grundy can get into our Forward 50 and cause problems as well.
Mayne & Mihocek become important again and must make McGovern and Barasss accountable.
Cox needs to keep moving , leading and jumping for the ball like last week.
3 times this year Moore couldn't finish a game through injury. If the Pies were the underdogs, then maybe he would be worth a risk, but as favourites, I don't think they need to gamble.
I really don't see enough games, but wasn't Reid a really good defender once? But again, why gamble if he won't be match fit?
I really don't see enough games, but wasn't Reid a really good defender once? But again, why gamble if he won't be match fit?
who takes Vardy (1.99) then ?
Crisp 1.90
Langdon 1.89
Maynard 1.86
Aish 1.84
Greenwood 1.81
Kennedy 1.94 & Darling 1.91 could be enough of a handful for Goldsack 1.93 & Howe 1.90 who must be under a injury cloud.
Maybe Mihocek 1.92 or Mayne 1.88 could go back.
Pendles is 1.91 so another option.
Moore is 1.99 & Reid is 1.95 , Reid was a All Australian defender years ago but Bucks likes him forward.
Grand Finals are hard to win , sometimes you need to take a risk to win it.
RE: who takes Vardy (1.99) then ?
Cox?
Are the Eagles too top heavy, maybe it may be their undoing, especially if it is wet?
If the Pies can restrict the ball going into the Eagles forward, by having more mobile players midfield/forward, then the Eagles talls, in the Forward line, won't see as much of the ball. Advantage Pies.
Cox?
Are the Eagles too top heavy, maybe it may be their undoing, especially if it is wet?
If the Pies can restrict the ball going into the Eagles forward, by having more mobile players midfield/forward, then the Eagles talls, in the Forward line, won't see as much of the ball. Advantage Pies.
RE: who takes Vardy (1.99) then ?
Cox?
Are the Eagles too top heavy, maybe it may be their undoing, especially if it is wet?
If the Pies can restrict the ball going into the Eagles forward, by having more mobile players midfield/forward, then the Eagles talls, in the Forward line, won't see as much of the ball. Advantage Pies.
Cox?
Are the Eagles too top heavy, maybe it may be their undoing, especially if it is wet?
If the Pies can restrict the ball going into the Eagles forward, by having more mobile players midfield/forward, then the Eagles talls, in the Forward line, won't see as much of the ball. Advantage Pies.
best kicking/marking team in the comp
would be a lot happier having Moore/Reid in the side even more so with doubts on Howe
but yes our mids need to put their mids under pressure to affect F50 entries
West Coast have been playing 2 rucks all season so definitely not too tall.
Guess we will have to await Thursday's teams to see what Bucks is thinking.
maybe Moore will play the game of his life and win Normie.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/j...s/news-story/708794df706ea07e185eaf35e494e7b7
The high-flying defender (Howe) admitted he dodged a bullet given the nature of Friday night’s incident.
“I think it had the potential to be a serious injury with that movement but scans ended up clearing me of any major damage,” he said.
“That probably put my mind at ease.
“It’s just a matter of getting a bit of the swelling out of the ankle and getting the mobility and movement back.”
……..”It will be fine if there’s a little bit of pain … it’s nothing an injection won’t help...…….."
The high-flying defender (Howe) admitted he dodged a bullet given the nature of Friday night’s incident.
“I think it had the potential to be a serious injury with that movement but scans ended up clearing me of any major damage,” he said.
“That probably put my mind at ease.
“It’s just a matter of getting a bit of the swelling out of the ankle and getting the mobility and movement back.”
……..”It will be fine if there’s a little bit of pain … it’s nothing an injection won’t help...…….."