Strategy Round 2: Trades

How many trades do you plan to use in round 2?

  • 1

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 2

    Votes: 2 5.6%
  • 3

    Votes: 6 16.7%
  • 4

    Votes: 5 13.9%
  • 5

    Votes: 23 63.9%

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I really have not kept up what is happening with the footy. Couple questions: Has the game time gone back to normal? and Is the fixture the same as pre round 1?
 
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Ok, so if the fixture has changed, could it be said that a lot of people's selections (premos) were based on early fixture? If so, the time they spent on this could be detrmental to their starting side. And if the game time is still shortened, the wise people who predicted those mediocre rucks and a particular type of defender to score well would be disadvantaged if others can jump on?
 
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They will or should make it so that coaches can make/lose ground fairly easily especially noting it’ll be a short season. If we go in with unlimited trades then round 2 will see very similar teams with little room to move given there won’t be any byes.
I don’t know what the answer is, but I don’t think it’s unlimited trades and if it is, then being subtracted from yr season total isn’t a bad idea.
Will also depend on how the fixture looks in terms of games spread out during a standard week.
Maybe something left field like unlimited trades from your final total but salary capped so it limits the number of premiums that can be sideway traded.
 

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I actually haven’t even looked at my side since the shutdown, so I can’t recall whether I’ll be advantaged or otherwise by a particular rule or approach.

With that said, I struggle with the idea that getting your round 1 side “right” deserves as much reward this year as it normally would - given that round 2 comes months afterwards, with material changes to fixture (opposition and venue), player fitness and playing conditions?

To me it introduces a very large luck element that is not tied to skill. If someone picked their round 1 side predicting this type of outcome, then they’re much better than me - but I don’t think many (if any) did that. If anyone is that far ahead of me, they will beat me anyway!

There should be some benefit to those who selected a good round 1 side, but I think the very large luck element heading into round 2 needs to be addressed.

Also worth flagging that Westhoff scored 149 in R1 last year and didn’t even total that many across R2-4. I’m not sure it can even be said for sure whether many of our R1 picks were good or bad.
 
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If someone picked their round 1 side predicting this type of outcome, then they’re much better than me - but I don’t think many (if any) did that.
i think most people knew that we would only get a round in at most before the lockdown began. Obviously not knowing the length of break or whether the season would even go ahead/resume.
 
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Not a huge fan of this trade situation. The teams who got their starting sides right lose so much of their early momentum by giving everyone else a free for all with their trades.

It’s fantastic for those that need to make wholesale changes (myself included) but it still feels extremely unfair to me. There’s absolutely no excuses for getting your staring side wrong now.
Hey mate, love the discussion here. I am more of the opinion who is to know who has got their teams right after round 1 when we have had 2-3 months in between games regardless of what they scored in round 1. Players will be coming back from injury that we didn't consider, rookies will be replaced, players are getting injured in the time away etc.
I don't think it's a perfect situation but I can't see SC not having unlimited trades, whether that be from the 30 or not, before round 2. This promotes more traffic to the website which at the end of the day is what they are after
 
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Its tough because you still need to reward those who had a good Round 1. Personally my preference would be to reset the team, a lot of rookies will potentially find their way out of the teams due to returning best 22 players who missed round 1 plus all planning for byes goes out the window...

I know everyone is in the same boat but some will be hit harder than others with team changes due to this break...
 

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d allow all teams to jump on the good round 1 rookies or indeed jump off the round 1 duds does resonate. To mitigate that I would further suggest that the round 1 scores don‘t get taken into account from a cash generation perspective (only). Note that this does not mean I am an advocate of scrubbing round 1 scores altogether.
Agree - like the debate about the game.

Disagree on scrubbing round 1 scores from price changes. Another change suggested that would disadvantage those who got round 1 rookies correct. Whilst nice to get a few extra points, the true value of rookies is price increases. If you take that away from those who picked the right round 1 players, it is extremely unfair.

The fairest thing to do would be to keep a very limited number of trades (2-4). However, do concede they will need to offset this with the marketing strategy of re-engaging the masses. To get full unlimited trades/no deduction from starting limit is simply forgetting round 1 and would be a kick in the face of the "expert" coaches - needs to fall somewhere in between.

In theory they should reduce the total 30 trades as well - as we have 5 less rounds. Would also mean people have to choose between premiums and not all aim for the exact same side by "full premo" time.

Taking them away from the initial 30 with no round two limit is clearly a big win for those with average round one teams.
Limiting round two trades to 2 (status quo) is a huge win for those who nailed selections in round one.

I suspect they will land somewhere in between, keep the 30 trades and cap round 2 trades at between 4-8. I feel that is the best of both worlds.

I also suspect majority of supercoach subscribers don't play to win the overall 50k, pipedream maybe, however are more playing with friends within leagues. Those players do not need to refresh their whole team to be reengaged, they simply need the ability to reconsider their side.

Four round two trades will likely see mid range supercoach players bring in 3-4 players who scored 100 in round one, and make their team on paper look very good going in to round 2. Which brings back the excitement the organisers would be aiming for, without completely disenfranchising those who are the super keen coaches and believe round one should be honored.
 

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Its tough because you still need to reward those who had a good Round 1. Personally my preference would be to reset the team, a lot of rookies will potentially find their way out of the teams due to returning best 22 players who missed round 1 plus all planning for byes goes out the window...

I know everyone is in the same boat but some will be hit harder than others with team changes due to this break...
I see this line as a recurring argument for resetting.

Can someone list the abundance of returning best 22 players who are going to knock out a popular supercoach rookie?

It is a nice thing to say, however I just don't think it is supported in by any truth.

You might find 3-4 examples. However, an extra 3-4 trades would offset this percieved disadvantage.

Resetting from scratch suggests 10 plus rookies you picked are vulnerable to this? It also assumes those rookie (a lot of which really struggled round 1), would have held their spot in a normal fixture round 2.
 

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Full disclosure:
I would love to go back and never pick Dylan Roberton (on field too.. horrendous pick!).
I have a further 6 rookies who scored under 50 and would all likely be on chopping block!

So if I had 7 trades, those 7 would be first looked at!

Also furious I abandoned pre-season theory of not picking Laird (88) and Lloyd (77) and received below par premo scores for the dollars spent there.

However, they were selections made in the traditional pre round 1 flurry, which you need to strategise out of for the remainder of season. Not carte blanche start again with the benefit of hindsight.
 
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One big thing to consider is that players not in the team can't play state footy this year. I expect there won't be a lot of changes week to week except for those required for injuries and suspension. It will be hard for players to break into teams purely on training form, as they won't be match fit. I wouldn't expect to be able to take advantage of generating cash from rookie price rises as much as usual this year.
 
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I see this line as a recurring argument for resetting.

Can someone list the abundance of returning best 22 players who are going to knock out a popular supercoach rookie?

It is a nice thing to say, however I just don't think it is supported in by any truth.

You might find 3-4 examples. However, an extra 3-4 trades would offset this percieved disadvantage.

Resetting from scratch suggests 10 plus rookies you picked are vulnerable to this? It also assumes those rookie (a lot of which really struggled round 1), would have held their spot in a normal fixture round 2.
look its not even just the returning best 22.... it could just be another rookie who was slightly behind the other guy who got picked will now get his chance coz he worked harder in the break or team balance/whatever

your point about using some of the excess picks that present due to the shorter season actually makes a lot of sense now I think about it...

and I wouldn't be too concerned about everyone ending up with the same teams if there were unlimited picks - just gives those part time coaches a lot of one hit wonders to select while those 'in the know' continue to make selections based on actual research
 

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look its not even just the returning best 22.... it could just be another rookie who was slightly behind the other guy who got picked will now get his chance coz he worked harder in the break or team balance/whatever
Team balance would have been a factor if round 2 was 7 days later or 3 months later.

Performance in games likewise.

So not sure we should get unlimited trades to offset those.

Minor increase in round 2 trade cap would help reengage masses and offset any isolated examples of the 2 month break affecting selection.
 
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If we don't even get a lot of "new" rookie players named for Round 2 we might not have much choice holding onto the likes of Brander , Budarick , BZT , Cavarra , Green , Starcevich etc etc if they hold their place , even worse if they are dropped and suddenly you have multiple donuts appearing Round 2.
 
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Full disclosure:
I would love to go back and never pick Dylan Roberton (on field too.. horrendous pick!).
I have a further 6 rookies who scored under 50 and would all likely be on chopping block!

So if I had 7 trades, those 7 would be first looked at!

Also furious I abandoned pre-season theory of not picking Laird (88) and Lloyd (77) and received below par premo scores for the dollars spent there.

However, they were selections made in the traditional pre round 1 flurry, which you need to strategise out of for the remainder of season. Not carte blanche start again with the benefit of hindsight.
Weren't you one of the top scorers here in Rd 1? If you are looking at making 7 trades, I can see why others want unlimited.

I only scored just over 2100 from memory and I still prefer a cap of 5-6 trades in Rd 2 at most. I'm sure I could easily improve my team if we get more trades than that, but I don't think it's needed. Everyone will have similar issues to deal with, part of the game, suck it up and fix it over the next few rounds.
 
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