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Hard to say as I haven't seen enough of them as yet. From what I'm hearing, both need time to develop - as most rookies do. So the more time in the VFL to do so will be ideal. Competition for spots will assist with that too.
If I had to pick one to debut first, it would be Scott. A very smart and composed footballer for his size. Can also run for days.
Thomas is more of an impact player at this stage - excellent tackling intent, so may get an opportunity up forward if a few injuries come up.
If I had to pick one to debut first, it would be Scott. A very smart and composed footballer for his size. Can also run for days.
Thomas is more of an impact player at this stage - excellent tackling intent, so may get an opportunity up forward if a few injuries come up.
This is where you can get caught out in estimates. Your scenario has Gawn dropping by 12 ppg and then Goldy reaching a level he hasn't got to since 2016 (95 and 101 the last two years).
So it could happen for sure but be careful if you are adding 10-15ppg in favour of your particular scenario on either side to get it over the line in your head.
On Goldy in particular - I had him last year. Terrible start, great run in the middle and then a terrible ending. He was leaking points badly to Gawn and Grundy over the last 5 rounds or so.
So it could happen for sure but be careful if you are adding 10-15ppg in favour of your particular scenario on either side to get it over the line in your head.
On Goldy in particular - I had him last year. Terrible start, great run in the middle and then a terrible ending. He was leaking points badly to Gawn and Grundy over the last 5 rounds or so.
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I agree. Why would Gawn only average 115 when his last two years are 118+127, now at peak age of 27? On the averages, you would expect about 120-123.
As for Goldy, his average in the second half of the season was 110, but before that he was under 100 for one and a half years. At age 31, I think it's unlikely he keeps up that 110 for a whole season. My prediction is 103-106.
As for Goldy, his average in the second half of the season was 110, but before that he was under 100 for one and a half years. At age 31, I think it's unlikely he keeps up that 110 for a whole season. My prediction is 103-106.
Here's something to think about - since 2010 (I don't have detailed price information back further than that) only 2 seasons have been recorded* where the player's price stayed above 600k for the entire season: Dangerfield and Ablett each once.
Grundy costs $708k.
If you were told one of your starting picks would likely lose 120k in value, would you still pick them? The premium just seems too high for me...
*Playing at least 18 games. There might be some I missed but not likely.
Grundy costs $708k.
If you were told one of your starting picks would likely lose 120k in value, would you still pick them? The premium just seems too high for me...
*Playing at least 18 games. There might be some I missed but not likely.
I'm interested in Goldy (either as R1 or R2) on the basis that Goldy may not leak as many points (if any) to Gawn like he did last year. Getting Goldy however, likely means that you're committed to missing out on Gawn (as it's likely you'll want to end up with Grundy) so it doesn't come without risk.
Gawn's ceiling average is very iffy this season due to Preuss. Does he get less TOG within games (Nic Nat style)? Can he average 115-120+ whilst getting possibly 30-40% time up forward? Does he get rested against weaker ruck opposition to keep him fresh later in the year (knowing Preuss can handle it)? He could fall back down to a 110 average. If that's the case, that's only possibly 5 ppg better than Goldy, even if he goes at a 105 avg.
Goldy has no genuine ruck backup, so the Roos would be pushing him to play every game (especially as they're more likely to be on the cusp of the 8 and needing to win games). If he's looking fully fit in the preseason, he could the obvious starting ruck in hindsight.
I think if I start Goldy, it's more likely at R2. I think Goldy is a chance to average around 105-110. If Grundy averages 125-130, I'd probably rather pay the $150k for the extra 20ppg + points earnt on VC loopholes.
Gawn's ceiling average is very iffy this season due to Preuss. Does he get less TOG within games (Nic Nat style)? Can he average 115-120+ whilst getting possibly 30-40% time up forward? Does he get rested against weaker ruck opposition to keep him fresh later in the year (knowing Preuss can handle it)? He could fall back down to a 110 average. If that's the case, that's only possibly 5 ppg better than Goldy, even if he goes at a 105 avg.
Goldy has no genuine ruck backup, so the Roos would be pushing him to play every game (especially as they're more likely to be on the cusp of the 8 and needing to win games). If he's looking fully fit in the preseason, he could the obvious starting ruck in hindsight.
I think if I start Goldy, it's more likely at R2. I think Goldy is a chance to average around 105-110. If Grundy averages 125-130, I'd probably rather pay the $150k for the extra 20ppg + points earnt on VC loopholes.
I've looked at this from so many angles ... struggling to see the projected upside in Goldy. I mean what impact did Preuss have on his scoring last year ... yep a disgruntled owner that had him and watched the Grundy / Gawn combo sail way off into the distance ... and that was my season over.
Sure Gawn now has Preuss .... well I'd reckon when Preuss relieves his ruck duties if fit enough he'll be rested in the forward line ... just food for thought.
Sure Gawn now has Preuss .... well I'd reckon when Preuss relieves his ruck duties if fit enough he'll be rested in the forward line ... just food for thought.
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You are not locking yourself out of Gawn. In fact you are setting yourself up to skip his bye round with a simple Goldie to Gawn trade in R14. You can also do the same with Nank. For me it's whether Goldie can go 110 to the bye round. He gives me an option on Gawn while performing the equivalent of any 550k mid. I'll be approaching full premo around r14 so that is when the real 'leaking points' issue starts arising. Up until then it's more of an efficiency per $ spend issue, of which I think Goldie>Gawn just. Welcome Goldie my team this week.
Fair point
I had liked Kreuzer more to fulfil that side swap role. Don’t feel as comfortable setting up to pay $550k for a player with the aim to swap him out. I feel I could use that trade better.
Also if Goldie is averaging 110 to the bye, I’d probably have other more disappointing players who I would rather trade out!
I had liked Kreuzer more to fulfil that side swap role. Don’t feel as comfortable setting up to pay $550k for a player with the aim to swap him out. I feel I could use that trade better.
Also if Goldie is averaging 110 to the bye, I’d probably have other more disappointing players who I would rather trade out!