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Yeah as discussed previously I think the same. He’s my R3 three at the moment but some of the discussion on here seems to suggest that Archie Smith plays alongside Stef Martin, so if he gets a round one gig and R'OB doesn’t I might start Smith if I stick with my plan to run with Martin at R2. Could be a nice plan if Smith gets a gig early and then we can cash out mid season and bring in R'OB once he gets a go.
I thought it was you who had him at R3.
I see Martin has been named , played a NEAFL trial last week , despite being on the injury reports for a knee , back , and something else depending on what you read.
Smith , ROB , Clark , Fort could all still be options I am locked in with Grundy , Goldstein & Bines at the moment.
I see Martin has been named , played a NEAFL trial last week , despite being on the injury reports for a knee , back , and something else depending on what you read.
Smith , ROB , Clark , Fort could all still be options I am locked in with Grundy , Goldstein & Bines at the moment.
Keep revisiting it in the hope that a flash of inspiration will come / viable options will present as Gawn + Grundy seems inefficient spend.
English might have been interesting had he been 50k cheaper, Mumford strategies are reliant on someone filling the void until he plays.
Archie Smith seems a cheaper option who might have reasonable early JS but Martin will be there in the background, similar for ROB/Jacobs.
Preuss, Pierce, Longer, Naismith all question marks around continuity. Z Clarke, Fort and others seem unlikely to be named.
No huge scope for improvement in Sinclair, Nankervis, McEvoy, Bellchambers. Witts potentially one who could, but likely only to 105-odd(?)
Kreuzer has the potential, but has only ever put together one genuine topline season and has had an interrupted preseason.
Lycett potentially early if Ryder misses time, Westhoff inefficient spend for the likely output. Lobb looked OK but can't see high enough output.
Goldstein / Witts / Kreuzer seem the best alternatives for those baulking at 14% of the starting cap on the R1/R2 combo.
English might have been interesting had he been 50k cheaper, Mumford strategies are reliant on someone filling the void until he plays.
Archie Smith seems a cheaper option who might have reasonable early JS but Martin will be there in the background, similar for ROB/Jacobs.
Preuss, Pierce, Longer, Naismith all question marks around continuity. Z Clarke, Fort and others seem unlikely to be named.
No huge scope for improvement in Sinclair, Nankervis, McEvoy, Bellchambers. Witts potentially one who could, but likely only to 105-odd(?)
Kreuzer has the potential, but has only ever put together one genuine topline season and has had an interrupted preseason.
Lycett potentially early if Ryder misses time, Westhoff inefficient spend for the likely output. Lobb looked OK but can't see high enough output.
Goldstein / Witts / Kreuzer seem the best alternatives for those baulking at 14% of the starting cap on the R1/R2 combo.
if you can let go the resistance to spending $1.4m in your rucks and provided you can swallow some value in defence and forward, I’ve found a Gawn/Grundy team looks ok to me without needing to start 9 rookie priced players which is a very high number historically.
I think it may come down to having to play the cards you are dealt.
I think it may come down to having to play the cards you are dealt.
[QUOTE="gutsroy, post: 459034, member: 2713"]Keep revisiting it in the hope that a flash of inspiration will come / viable options will present as Gawn + Grundy seems inefficient spend.
English might have been interesting had he been 50k cheaper, Mumford strategies are reliant on someone filling the void until he plays.
Archie Smith seems a cheaper option who might have reasonable early JS but Martin will be there in the background, similar for ROB/Jacobs.
Preuss, Pierce, Longer, Naismith all question marks around continuity. Z Clarke, Fort and others seem unlikely to be named.
No huge scope for improvement in Sinclair, Nankervis, McEvoy, Bellchambers. Witts potentially one who could, but likely only to 105-odd(?)
Kreuzer has the potential, but has only ever put together one genuine topline season and has had an interrupted preseason.
Lycett potentially early if Ryder misses time, Westhoff inefficient spend for the likely output. Lobb looked OK but can't see high enough output.
Goldstein / Witts / Kreuzer seem the best alternatives for those baulking at 14% of the starting cap on the R1/R2 combo.[/QUOTE]
I'm waiting for JLT 2 to find me some inspiration
English might have been interesting had he been 50k cheaper, Mumford strategies are reliant on someone filling the void until he plays.
Archie Smith seems a cheaper option who might have reasonable early JS but Martin will be there in the background, similar for ROB/Jacobs.
Preuss, Pierce, Longer, Naismith all question marks around continuity. Z Clarke, Fort and others seem unlikely to be named.
No huge scope for improvement in Sinclair, Nankervis, McEvoy, Bellchambers. Witts potentially one who could, but likely only to 105-odd(?)
Kreuzer has the potential, but has only ever put together one genuine topline season and has had an interrupted preseason.
Lycett potentially early if Ryder misses time, Westhoff inefficient spend for the likely output. Lobb looked OK but can't see high enough output.
Goldstein / Witts / Kreuzer seem the best alternatives for those baulking at 14% of the starting cap on the R1/R2 combo.[/QUOTE]
I'm waiting for JLT 2 to find me some inspiration
I was resisting Gawn/Grundy but relented (at least for now) and found that you do need time to play around with options.
So my advice is don't leave it too late to at least play around with options. I find the longer you leave a certain structure in place or certain players in your side the harder it is to let them go if you have to.
So my advice is don't leave it too late to at least play around with options. I find the longer you leave a certain structure in place or certain players in your side the harder it is to let them go if you have to.
Great post. Summaries my thoughts on Rucks.
Goldy was first ruck I put in and has not moved. R2 I currently have Kruezer but am 50/50 on this.
I have not seen a detailed list of rucks scores from JLT 1 (in one table) but from what I have seen I really have not seen any of them scoring too well.
My thoughts on the new rules are that there will be less instances where there are double and triple bounces in the middle after goals and at the start of qtrs. This will mean less hit out opportunities and also less tackling and clearance opportunities for a player like Grundy who is first man in when the ball is not cleared and there is a pile of players on it.
Unless I see something really change across JLT 2 I will be sticking with Kruezer or going cheaper only
Possibly less in my view.
When the ball drops at the feet and 10 players are fighting for a clearance you dont see Goldy in there tackling and smashing in to get he clearance.... so he wont lose those points. May be some stats to prove me wrong but he gets a lot of his touches in general play out in the open.
When the ball drops at the feet and 10 players are fighting for a clearance you dont see Goldy in there tackling and smashing in to get he clearance.... so he wont lose those points. May be some stats to prove me wrong but he gets a lot of his touches in general play out in the open.
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T Goldstein:
2018:
Disposals: 14.55
SC Avg when disposals equal/exceed 15: 115.6 from 10 (low of 88 and a high of 133, 1/10 below 100, 5/10 120+)
SC Avg when disposals below 15: 88.75 from 12 (low of 57 and a high of 123, 7/12 below 100, 1/12 120+)
Marks: 3.36
SC Avg when marks equal/exceed 4: 117 from 9 (low of 88 and a high of 133, 1/9 below 100, 5/9 120+)
SC Avg when marks below 4: 89.85 from 13 (low of 57 and a high of 123, 7/13 below 100, 1/13 120+)
Contested Possessions: 7.09
SC Avg when contested possessions equal/exceed 8: 107.73 from 11 (low of 57 and a high of 133, 3/11 below 100, 4/11 120+)
SC Avg when contested possessions below 8: 94.18 from 11 (low of 61 and a high of 123, 5/11 below 100, 2/11 120+)
Tackles: 2.86
SC Avg when tackles equal/exceed 3: 113.3 from 10 (low of 69 and a high of 133, 2/10 below 100, 6/10 120+)
SC Avg when tackles below 3: 90.67 from 12 (low of 57 and a high of 113, 6/12 below 100)
Hitouts to Advantage: 11
SC Avg when hitouts to advantage equal/exceed 11: 113.36 from 11 (low of 88 and a high of 133, 1/11 below 100, 4/11 120+)
SC Avg when hitouts to advantage below 11: 88.55 from 11 (low of 57 and a high of 125, 7/11 below 100, 2/11 120+)
Time on Ground%: 86.59%
SC Avg when time on ground equals/exceeds 87%: 106.25 from 12 (low of 61 and a high of 133, 4/12 below 100, 5/12 120+)
SC Avg when time on ground below 87%: 94.6 from 10 (low of 57 and a high of 123, 4/10 below 100, 1/10 120+)
Only 2 of his last 13 games in 2018 he recorded less than 10 Hitouts to Advantage compared to the 13 games prior to RD10 2018 where he recorded 8/13 less than 10 HTA. The SC averages in those games was
RD10 2018 onwards: 110.54 from 13 (2/13 below 100)
RD20 2017-RD9 2018: 85.92 from 13 (9/13 below 100)
Goldstein also achieved 5 20+ disposal games post bye (averaged 121.6 from those 5) which was the first time since 2015 he has recorded more than 1 20+ disposal game in a season.
2018:
Disposals: 14.55
SC Avg when disposals equal/exceed 15: 115.6 from 10 (low of 88 and a high of 133, 1/10 below 100, 5/10 120+)
SC Avg when disposals below 15: 88.75 from 12 (low of 57 and a high of 123, 7/12 below 100, 1/12 120+)
Marks: 3.36
SC Avg when marks equal/exceed 4: 117 from 9 (low of 88 and a high of 133, 1/9 below 100, 5/9 120+)
SC Avg when marks below 4: 89.85 from 13 (low of 57 and a high of 123, 7/13 below 100, 1/13 120+)
Contested Possessions: 7.09
SC Avg when contested possessions equal/exceed 8: 107.73 from 11 (low of 57 and a high of 133, 3/11 below 100, 4/11 120+)
SC Avg when contested possessions below 8: 94.18 from 11 (low of 61 and a high of 123, 5/11 below 100, 2/11 120+)
Tackles: 2.86
SC Avg when tackles equal/exceed 3: 113.3 from 10 (low of 69 and a high of 133, 2/10 below 100, 6/10 120+)
SC Avg when tackles below 3: 90.67 from 12 (low of 57 and a high of 113, 6/12 below 100)
Hitouts to Advantage: 11
SC Avg when hitouts to advantage equal/exceed 11: 113.36 from 11 (low of 88 and a high of 133, 1/11 below 100, 4/11 120+)
SC Avg when hitouts to advantage below 11: 88.55 from 11 (low of 57 and a high of 125, 7/11 below 100, 2/11 120+)
Time on Ground%: 86.59%
SC Avg when time on ground equals/exceeds 87%: 106.25 from 12 (low of 61 and a high of 133, 4/12 below 100, 5/12 120+)
SC Avg when time on ground below 87%: 94.6 from 10 (low of 57 and a high of 123, 4/10 below 100, 1/10 120+)
Only 2 of his last 13 games in 2018 he recorded less than 10 Hitouts to Advantage compared to the 13 games prior to RD10 2018 where he recorded 8/13 less than 10 HTA. The SC averages in those games was
RD10 2018 onwards: 110.54 from 13 (2/13 below 100)
RD20 2017-RD9 2018: 85.92 from 13 (9/13 below 100)
Goldstein also achieved 5 20+ disposal games post bye (averaged 121.6 from those 5) which was the first time since 2015 he has recorded more than 1 20+ disposal game in a season.
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I think both. He will play when Essendon choose to play 2 rucks (I don't think they will play Daniher as a pinchhitter) so hopefully by the byes Clarke has increased close to $150k so I can trade him out.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if he overtook Bellchambers as #1 ruck either. Had exceptional WAFL form.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if he overtook Bellchambers as #1 ruck either. Had exceptional WAFL form.
That's an interesting thought, that there may be less re-bounces in the middle, but I wouldn't trust the stats from the JLT games, as I don't think that there is too much hard tagging going on, to force another bounce. The new rules are suppose to mean more goals will be scored, so more ruck work for the Ruckmen. Also, with less players to compete with at middle bounces, that could be advantageous to Grundy to get more of the ball?