Discussion SC BBL|09 SuperCoach Discussion - Opened (Fixture, BYE/DGR table, etc in Useful Info thread)

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The goss is that he had all the tools to be a successful bowler against higher level cricketers last season but had the standard 4 out of 6 land well and they pick off the other two. He’s tightened up his bowling and apparently has been brilliant this season so there’s every chance he plays if conditions suit. I’m quietly confident he’ll play 70% or more of the matches this campaign so take that how you wish.

Lad can bat a bit as well, but unlikely to bat above 9-10 in that team.
What do you think the thunder line up will look like? And where does Doggett fit in?
 

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What do you think the thunder line up will look like? And where does Doggett fit in?
I think they’ll play 3 spinners at spotless like last season. Green, Fawad and Cook played a few games together there and it was relatively effective.

Don’t think Doggett will play too many games if I’m honest.

I did post a few pages back about the team but should look something like this with Sangha now in the squad:

Hales
Khawaja
Ferguson
Ross
Gilkes
Sams
Morris
Green
Tremain
Sangha/Doggett/Nair
Cook

Nair and Doggett are possibly the ones who miss out this season as I can’t see any one of Sams, Morris, Green or Tremain being dropped early on.
 

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I think they’ll play 3 spinners at spotless like last season. Green, Fawad and Cook played a few games together there and it was relatively effective.

Don’t think Doggett will play too many games if I’m honest.

I did post a few pages back about the team but should look something like this with Sangha now in the squad:

Hales
Khawaja
Ferguson
Ross
Gilkes
Sams
Morris
Green
Tremain
Sangha/Doggett/Nair
Cook

Nair and Doggett are possibly the ones who miss out this season as I can’t see any one of Sams, Morris, Green or Tremain being dropped early on.
Was looking at Doggett for a little while but won't touch him now. Thanks for that.
 

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https://www.bigbash.com.au/news/big-bash-league-bbl-rule-changes-six-overseas-players/2019-05-11

Rules changed to allow clubs to sign up to six overseas players per season

The KFC Big Bash League has today confirmed a contracting rule change for BBL|09.
The BBL Player Contracting Rules will be changed to allow every BBL club to contract up to six overseas players across the season, two more than in previous years.
Clubs are entitled to have a maximum of two overseas players on their eighteen-man roster, although they can now nominate an additional four overseas players as potential replacements throughout the course of the BBL|09 season.
The pilot ruling introduced last year in consultation with the Australian Cricketers’ Association (ACA) will continue in BBL|09, whereby clubs will have the flexibility to rotate these players in and out of their squads as required.
A decision on a club’s replacement request will be at the discretion of the BBL Technical Committee.
The change comes after the League reviewed its Rules and Regulations following the conclusion of BBL|08.
Cricket Australia Executive General Manager Fan Engagement Anthony Everard said:
"At the conclusion of each season we take the time to review what’s working well and where we can make positive changes to the game and the fan experience.
"We’ve considered feedback from our fans and worked with relevant stakeholders of the game to implement changes that will continue to improve the competition in 2019/20.
"The ACA, BBL clubs and our broadcast partners have been an integral part of that, leading to the introduction of each club being allowed to contract up to six overseas players in BBL|09.
"The maximum number of overseas players permitted in a club’s squad will remain at two, but there is now increased flexibility to contract up to six players throughout the season and rotate them in and out as required.
"It’s a fantastic result for the competition, with clubs given a better chance at securing international players on a short-term basis to fit into an increasingly competitive global cricketing calendar."
Finding this a strange ruling ... in the IPL you could have multiple International players on your list but could only play two each game ... need @Herbie66 to confirm this but pretty sure that I am correct ...

So still the same concept but you can only have two on your list at any one time ... and here I was thinking our game is progressing ...
 

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Finding this a strange ruling ... in the IPL you could have multiple International players on your list but could only play two each game ... need @Herbie66 to confirm this but pretty sure that I am correct ...

So still the same concept but you can only have two on your list at any one time ... and here I was thinking our game is progressing ...
I’m not Herbie, but I am fairly certain you are correct. I agree, a much better system.
 

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Another rainy day combined with a day off work so I tried to look at something not related to individual players that might help us develop our strategies...

We try and maximise DGW players, so I wanted to get a sense of how many DGW players from one team is too many!

I looked at last years scores and ranked them for each team in each match from highest to lowest. Averaging the highest score for each team, second highest, and so on, I came up with the following table. I separated the four Duckworth-Lewis (D-L) result matches and the two teams in no result match (NR) out in the table. I also separated how the scored differed between the winning and losing team.

It appears that on average that we are better off having the top scorer for a team in a SGW than 2 x DGW player who averages being the fourth ranked player. There also appears to be a significant difference between average scores from a winning or losing team.

The table below shows that it is not worth taking players just for their DGW draw unless they ..
A) Are elite and almost certain of finishing in their teams top three players, or,
B)They are top four or five players if team is more likely to win both games.

Whilst 2x a top 4 or 5 score looks impressive from the table, I imagine nailing those 4 or 5 players from one team to be all the highest scorers would be near impossible ... so I guess it comes down to weighing up if it is easier to pick a third or fourth highest scoring player for a team in a DGW or a highest scoring player with a SGW?

My take is that taking three DGW players is probably worth the risk, where choosing four would require a bit of luck to nail the selections, and five would be pushing it a little too much.

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For those who want to go the whole hog on 11 DGW players in a week where two teams have the bye, I suggest you check those two teams aren’t playing each other!

The table below shows the average SC score by rank per match (instead of team like above) ... the 11th highest score is not that impressive, and I challenge anyone to snag the top 11 scores!

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Another rainy day combined with a day off work so I tried to look at something not related to individual players that might help us develop our strategies...

We try and maximise DGW players, so I wanted to get a sense of how many DGW players from one team is too many!

I looked at last years scores and ranked them for each team in each match from highest to lowest. Averaging the highest score for each team, second highest, and so on, I came up with the following table. I separated the four Duckworth-Lewis (D-L) result matches and the two teams in no result match (NR) out in the table. I also separated how the scored differed between the winning and losing team.

It appears that on average that we are better off having the top scorer for a team in a SGW than 2 x DGW player who averages being the fourth ranked player. There also appears to be a significant difference between average scores from a winning or losing team.

The table below shows that it is not worth taking players just for their DGW draw unless they ..
A) Are elite and almost certain of finishing in their teams top three players, or,
B)They are top four or five players if team is more likely to win both games.

Whilst 2x a top 4 or 5 score looks impressive from the table, I imagine nailing those 4 or 5 players from one team to be all the highest scorers would be near impossible ... so I guess it comes down to weighing up if it is easier to pick a third or fourth highest scoring player for a team in a DGW or a highest scoring player with a SGW?

My take is that taking three DGW players is probably worth the risk, where choosing four would require a bit of luck to nail the selections, and five would be pushing it a little too much.

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For those who want to go the whole hog on 11 DGW players in a week where two teams have the bye, I suggest you check those two teams aren’t playing each other!

The table below shows the average SC score by rank per match (instead of team like above) ... the 11th highest score is not that impressive, and I challenge anyone to snag the top 11 scores!

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Thanks for compiling these and the previous ones. Has provided reassurance in my strategy I’ve utilised previously in typically keeping to 1-3 players from each team in a DGW to hopefully capitalise on the incessant need for other players to overload in DGW.
 

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Very interesting analysis @Diabolical - I also liked your work on averages by batting position.

I guess the results are somewhat intuitive when you think about it ... particularly when the scoring is so heavily influenced by opportunity. You don’t necessarily want a #7 simply because they’ll play twice, given that it could well be 2 x 0 runs if the top order clicks.

Arguably the AFL analogy might be that you would often be better off having a mid for 1 game than a KPD for 2.
 

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Very interesting analysis @Diabolical - I also liked your work on averages by batting position.

I guess the results are somewhat intuitive when you think about it ... particularly when the scoring is so heavily influenced by opportunity. You don’t necessarily want a #7 simply because they’ll play twice, given that it could well be 2 x 0 runs if the top order clicks.

Arguably the AFL analogy might be that you would often be better off having a mid for 1 game than a KPD for 2.
What I am taking from looking into this so far is that it isn’t as simple as having a double game. We really need to look at the draw and factor in likelihood of a team winning one or both games of their DGW. Of course, it is cricket, so a player on a losing team can still score well ... what I have looked at so far is only averages, I probably need to delve into frequency of scores. For example, Player A might average 60 but rarely score below 40 where Player B might average 60 but scores above 100 half the time and below 20 half the time. We then need to weigh up for a DGW if we want the more guaranteed score or take a risk to snag the high points - particularly if we are putting out C in it!?
 

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Another factor that is possibly the spanner in the works is match day lineups. Hard to factor into planning but you see patterns in teams that indicate certain players will bowl in unique times during an innings.

The team that comes to mind are the Heat last season where they were an experienced specialist bowler light and utilised Renshaw for overs at the start of an innings.

I think you’ll see it again with the Heat and again with the hurricanes (Short the benefactor). Most of the other teams opt for extra bowlers, so the part timers in their team miss out on those extra overs.

Henriques for the Sixers is a tricky one as he has had injuries holding him back and he’s 31-32 now. Unlikely to bowl 4 overs a match but we may see the 1-2 overs on the regular this season since he has had a little less drama on the injury front.

I’ll try and do a death bowler list when I get the chance. Might help a few people with their initial selections.
 
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What I am taking from looking into this so far is that it isn’t as simple as having a double game. We really need to look at the draw and factor in likelihood of a team winning one or both games of their DGW. Of course, it is cricket, so a player on a losing team can still score well ... what I have looked at so far is only averages, I probably need to delve into frequency of scores. For example, Player A might average 60 but rarely score below 40 where Player B might average 60 but scores above 100 half the time and below 20 half the time. We then need to weigh up for a DGW if we want the more guaranteed score or take a risk to snag the high points - particularly if we are putting out C in it!?
I was thinking about captaincy strategy recently (acknowledging that all of this is new to me!). My thinking was:

- There’s less need to pick a dedicated captain option (Grundy type) because of the DGWs. Presumably I will almost always VC and C players with a DGW if I have that option (10 DGWs out of 13 rounds - albeit loops will only be possible in c. 5 of those, because the other 5 rounds have only one team with a DGW, and teammates can’t be pooped). I assume my team will be amazing by round 8 anyway, so I really only need to get through round 2 with no DGW captaincy options.

- All else equal it seems all rounders would be preferred C options (maximum opportunity, more consistent scoring), then bowlers (reasonably consistent) with batsmen last (generally least consistent). Batsmen would be more suited to the VC role (can go massive or score 0).

- In AFL SC, I think the standard VC strategy is to choose someone with a high ceiling/often more volatile scoring who plays early (a Jelwood type) and then a consistent high scorer as C (a Pendles type) if needed. Picking the high ceiling VC adds points over the course of the season, and is therefore the key (it maximizes the value of the VC loophole “option”). Picking the safe high scorer as C doesn’t add points versus a volatile scorer with a similar expected average, so it is less important, but it does help avoid the frustration of low C scores!

- Given the choice of DGW players as both VC and C where possible, presumably the choice of VC vs C is actually determined by game order ... whoever plays the first of the four games those players are participating in is VC.

- Where there is only one team with a DGW, presumably the best options would be the best DGW player, and the best SGW player, with the VC and C again determined by game order (whoever plays first is VC).

- Presumably it’s important to have a loophole option on the bench. I’m thinking WK is the best choice assuming some looped WK cover via the BAT line, otherwise one of the two BAT bench spots would be best (given bowers probably rotate more, and are the higher scorers).

Does that make sense/sound consistent with how others approach it?
 

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The Perth Scorchers are firing up their batting stocks with the signing of hard-hitting English all-rounder Liam Livingstone for the upcoming KFC Big Bash League season.

Scorchers fans can expect big things from the Lancashire CC product who’s racked up more than 1,770 T20 runs with an impressive strike rate of over 140 throughout his career.

The 26-year-old burst onto the scene in 2015 after he scored 350 runs from just 138 balls during a One-Day match for club side Nantwich, and has gone on to represent his country in the shortest format.

“I’m so excited to have signed with the Scorchers for the upcoming Big Bash, it’s a tournament I’ve always wanted to play in so I can’t wait to get to Perth,” Livingstone said.

“I’ve spent a winter in Perth, I know the place well and I’m looking forward to getting back there.

“I can’t wait to see everyone at the Furnace this summer and hopefully I can provide some entertainment for the Members and fans!”

Livingstone is the Scorchers’ first international signing for the 2019-20 season, and Head Coach Adam Voges said there was plenty to get excited about.

“We’re very pleased to have secured Liam for the upcoming season,” Voges said.

“He has performed really well in T20 cricket all around the world over the past 12 months.

“Liam’s a great all-round package, he’ll give us some aggression at the top of the order, he’s a handy spinner and a fantastic fielder.

“We’re excited about what Liam can bring to the Scorchers this season and I’m sure he’ll become a fan favourite very quickly.”

The Scorchers have one international spot left to fill for the upcoming season.

Perth Scorchers Squad:
Mitch Marsh (c)
Fawad Ahmed (new)
Ashton Agar
Jason Behrendorff
Cameron Bancroft
Cameron Green
Aaron Hardie (new)
Nick Hobson (new)
Josh Inglis
Matt Kelly
Liam Livingstone (new)
Joel Paris
Kurtis Patterson (new)
Jhye Richardson
Ashton Turner
Andrew Tye
Sam Whiteman
 

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https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...-sign-chris-morris-james-vince-returns-sixers
"If Chris Morris's Nelson Mandela Bay Giants make the final in the MSL on December 16 then his availability for the first game of the BBL season on December 17".
Morris will join the Thunder after his commitments with Nelson Mandela Bay Giants in the Mzansi Super League in South Africa end. The MSL final is set for December 16, and the Thunder play the opening game of the BBL on December 17 in Brisbane. Morris' early availability will be tested further given the Thunder play three matches in the first five days of the tournament.
 

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Morris will join the Thunder after his commitments with Nelson Mandela Bay Giants in the Mzansi Super League in South Africa end. The MSL final is set for December 16, and the Thunder play the opening game of the BBL on December 17 in Brisbane. Morris' early availability will be tested further given the Thunder play three matches in the first five days of the tournament.
Yeah forgot to finish the sentence haha
 
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