Discussion Trade Rumours, Retirements, Delistings & Drafting

BigRuss

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The bloke hasn’t come back with it yet. It’s a Carlton supporter on Bigfooty that has a heap of mail on Port that i’ve never actually seen be wrong.

Called Wingard and Polec being gone early along with Rockliff coming and basically anything that has happened he’s called very early.

The other supporters speculating that it would have something to do with Ken and the treatment of his off field skiing this year. Absolutely loves Ken and probably can see the painting on the wall that Ken will be gone end of next year.

Unrelated: I know a few people from Echuca that actually say Wines is a massive FIGJAM when he comes home and calls himself the ‘king of echuca’
The bloke is often correct, but also regularly wrong. Had Jack Martin to port as a done deal last off season too, take that as you will.

No big loss if Wines wants out IMO, burst into the scene and has done absolutely nothing since.

Everyone's for sale for the right price, and rightly so.
 

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Ken might be gone Saturday night if they lose to their bogey team again.

Sounds like he has good Intel , wonder if @BigRuss has heard anything.

A footballer being FIGJAM when they go home , fancy that.

My brother was working security and wouldn't allow Tex Walker into one of the pubs in Broken Hill one night when he couldn't show any ID , Tex said don't you know who I am ? My brother replied yep played footy with your dad , still not coming in without ID.
Nah no idea mate, been far removed from the footy world this year. Life getting in the way of fun.

I'd be all for trading Wines for the right price for what it's worth. I'm of the opinion Drew would develop into a much more rounded footballer if he was afforded the same opportunities as Ollie has been.

Maybe we can trade him to hawthorn for that Wingard bloke, always injured but seems to go all right.
 

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The bloke is often correct, but also regularly wrong. Had Jack Martin to port as a done deal last off season too, take that as you will.

No big loss if Wines wants out IMO, burst into the scene and has done absolutely nothing since.

Everyone's for sale for the right price, and rightly so.
Agreed. Wouldn’t be complaining at all especially the fact we’d be selling Wines at the highest possible point of his trade value.

If he netted us back a couple of first or a first and a player like a Burton style player and a mid teens pick that would be awesome.

Agreed with the Drew comments too. Think SPP is an absolute must to keep though.
 
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Nah no idea mate, been far removed from the footy world this year. Life getting in the way of fun.

I'd be all for trading Wines for the right price for what it's worth. I'm of the opinion Drew would develop into a much more rounded footballer if he was afforded the same opportunities as Ollie has been.

Maybe we can trade him to hawthorn for that Wingard bloke, always injured but seems to go all right.
like you said in another post , everyone at everywhere is for sale for the right price

certainly agree Wines is definitely nothing special

think you need to chase hard for a quality A+ mid with elite kicking skills

I have always thought Wingard was your second best player behind Robbie , for whatever reason didn't deliver all the time.

hope Clarko gets him 100% at the Hawks.
 

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The bloke is often correct, but also regularly wrong. Had Jack Martin to port as a done deal last off season too, take that as you will.

No big loss if Wines wants out IMO, burst into the scene and has done absolutely nothing since.

Everyone's for sale for the right price, and rightly so.
IMO we have quite a few ball winning bulls and the stats tend to support that notion ...

- What they do with it though is a totally different conversation IMO ... not helped until recently when a forward line structure was finally put in place ... under no illusions that it's the best or will hold up in finals but at least a step in the right direction ....

What are the missing ingredients .... each to their own opinion wise but to me:

- Most of our "experienced" mids (Rocky excluded) can't hit a team mate by foot .... sure they can get their hands on it but are turn over kings

- Need a stay at home leading forward that will either mark mark it or bring it to the ground (non negotiable to me as Lycett might have recently found out). We had Shultz, brought in a combo of Dixon / Ryder / Lycett to replace him ..... not lost on me that none of them can match his insane goal kicking ability ...







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I think Ollie Wines just goes to show how hard it is for scouts and clubs at draft time... Is someone dominating because they're just bigger kids or maybe have reached their full potential early... after a great first couple of seasons they sometimes get found out and never lift to another level

Think Jack Higgins from last year, slipped through to Pick 17 even though he was one of (if not the most) dominant kids we've ever seen... it seems they all thought he couldnt get any better... ripper of a debut season, then struggled this year to repeat... a sign of second year blues or a sign of things to come???
 

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I think Ollie Wines just goes to show how hard it is for scouts and clubs at draft time... Is someone dominating because they're just bigger kids or maybe have reached their full potential early... after a great first couple of seasons they sometimes get found out and never lift to another level

Think Jack Higgins from last year, slipped through to Pick 17 even though he was one of (if not the most) dominant kids we've ever seen... it seems they all thought he couldnt get any better... ripper of a debut season, then struggled this year to repeat... a sign of second year blues or a sign of things to come???

It is very hard to identify when drafting which category a ‘ready made’ or bigger junior will fall into.

For every Dangerfield, Cripps, Yeo, Fyfe, and Martin who were solider players without necessarily the tank early on they all developed into absolute superstars who have game breaking, match winning styles in their play. Even Darling, Heeney, Greene and De Goey are similar to the above but as forwards.

Then there’s the Selwood’s, JPK’s, Boak’s, Priddis’ who were good from day dot and although didn’t have those same game breaking attributes like Danger, Fyfe or Martin they capitalised and still managed to improve themselves year on year and get the best out of their talents and skills.

Then there is the guys who had some impact from day 1 with their bodies compared to other players their age such as Wines, David Swallow, Viney, Stringer, Petrecca who all looked very good early on but a combination of poor skills, poor kicking, poor tanks or other factors sees them unable to maximise their body and talents and (likely) plataue into the region of ‘good’ but never near the superstars or top echelon of players like the above 2 groups.

There’s players like Clayton Oliver that you’re not sure if he will fall into group 3 with Wines or into group 2 with Selwood/Priddis or into group 1 and become a bonafide match winning superstar.

Then there’s the crop of man child’s that are supposed to be ready made that just didn’t eventuate like David Myers, Dom Tyson, Andrew Moore or Jack Trengove.


So even if your big sized rookie has a good first year; is he going to go down the path of a Bont and continue to be a superstar, still be a superstar but not a match winning one like Priddis but maximise all their talent, taper out and not improve on their first year much like Wines or simply regress like a Stringer?

If your rookie doesn’t start out well there’s hope he can still be a superstar like Danger or Martin turned into..or they could simply just have looked better than they were at the junior levels due to their size and never live up to that potential at all like a Trengove, Moore, Myers or Tyson.


It’s so hard identifying which category a player will fall into when they’re bigger than a lot of other juniors but don’t have a lot more size or height to add. Will Gould is an example this year of a man child..although more a back flanker will he just be a Sam Mayes or be a Daniel Rich?
 

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It is very hard to identify when drafting which category a ‘ready made’ or bigger junior will fall into.

For every Dangerfield, Cripps, Yeo, Fyfe, and Martin who were solider players without necessarily the tank early on they all developed into absolute superstars who have game breaking, match winning styles in their play. Even Darling, Heeney, Greene and De Goey are similar to the above but as forwards.

Then there’s the Selwood’s, JPK’s, Boak’s, Priddis’ who were good from day dot and although didn’t have those same game breaking attributes like Danger, Fyfe or Martin they capitalised and still managed to improve themselves year on year and get the best out of their talents and skills.

Then there is the guys who had some impact from day 1 with their bodies compared to other players their age such as Wines, David Swallow, Viney, Stringer, Petrecca who all looked very good early on but a combination of poor skills, poor kicking, poor tanks or other factors sees them unable to maximise their body and talents and (likely) plataue into the region of ‘good’ but never near the superstars or top echelon of players like the above 2 groups.

There’s players like Clayton Oliver that you’re not sure if he will fall into group 3 with Wines or into group 2 with Selwood/Priddis or into group 1 and become a bonafide match winning superstar.

Then there’s the crop of man child’s that are supposed to be ready made that just didn’t eventuate like David Myers, Dom Tyson, Andrew Moore or Jack Trengove.


So even if your big sized rookie has a good first year; is he going to go down the path of a Bont and continue to be a superstar, still be a superstar but not a match winning one like Priddis but maximise all their talent, taper out and not improve on their first year much like Wines or simply regress like a Stringer?

If your rookie doesn’t start out well there’s hope he can still be a superstar like Danger or Martin turned into..or they could simply just have looked better than they were at the junior levels due to their size and never live up to that potential at all like a Trengove, Moore, Myers or Tyson.


It’s so hard identifying which category a player will fall into when they’re bigger than a lot of other juniors but don’t have a lot more size or height to add. Will Gould is an example this year of a man child..although more a back flanker will he just be a Sam Mayes or be a Daniel Rich?
Then there is the obvious influence of a clubs culture and ability to develop a player.... proven moreso by clubs like Melbourne and Gold Coast and their inability to develop hardly any players into bona fide stars over a long period...

My father-in-law talks of a ruckman he spoke to who had played at Melbourne (was traded there from another club) years ago, and he said all the players at Melbourne had basically achieved their AFL goals just by being drafted and they were satisfied with just being known as AFL players
 

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Then there is the obvious influence of a clubs culture and ability to develop a player.... proven moreso by clubs like Melbourne and Gold Coast and their inability to develop hardly any players into bona fide stars over a long period...

My father-in-law talks of a ruckman he spoke to who had played at Melbourne (was traded there from another club) years ago, and he said all the players at Melbourne had basically achieved their AFL goals just by being drafted and they were satisfied with just being known as AFL players
Totally agree, Spots.
As a Melbourne supporter I was constantly telling people who laughed at our mistakes at the draft table, that they weren’t necessarily bad picks, we just failed to turn them into (better) footballers!
 
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