Opinion Who wins the 2023 Brownlow Medal? (POLL)

[Darkie]

I see. Honestly, I think the AA selectors did a great job this year and I don't recall there being any discourse about Neale being "robbed" from the team or anything as such. This was probably the most balanced team we've had for some time.

It just seems maybe there is a semantics issue here - if Neale wasn't selected as an inside mid for the AA team, then is he really the best midfielder in the game? Or are the AA selectors wrong for not including him?

I think that given there was some voting discrepancy across games (like JHF polling 3 votes in a 13 touches game) then I'm more inclined to think the decisions the AA selectors made were correct and fair in comparison.

I agree with your last sentence and that appears as to what has happened here. I guess we'll have to wait until next year's count to see if this is a recurring problem.

I think we are in agreement, potentially on all counts.

I didn’t see Neale as a major omission from the AA team (which I do think has become a better-selected team in the last perhaps 2-3 years), and thought he was quite lucky to win the Brownlow.

I actually posted earlier in this thread some info that indicated to me that he would poll well, but not win. I probably would have felt like a bit of a goose, except that the reaction from a wide range of football watchers seems consistent with the idea that Neale was a bit fortunate. The shockers from the umpires in a number of matches also raise some questions about the quality(/integrity?) of the voting system more broadly.

I quite like Neale and don’t feel like he’s an unworthy dual Brownlow winner per se, it’s just that this didn’t seem to be a year where he would win that second medal. If someone was going to get a little lucky, I’m happy enough that it’s him.

 

[Miss_Brightside]

I still can't believe that 77 people voted in the above poll and none of us picked Lachie.

 

[mike89]

I think we are in agreement, potentially on all counts.

I didn’t see Neale as a major omission from the AA team (which I do think has become a better-selected team in the last perhaps 2-3 years), and thought he was quite lucky to win the Brownlow.

I actually posted earlier in this thread some info that indicated to me that he would poll well, but not win. I probably would have felt like a bit of a goose, except that the reaction from a wide range of football watchers seems consistent with the idea that Neale was a bit fortunate. The shockers from the umpires in a number of matches also raise some questions about the quality(/integrity?) of the voting system more broadly.

I quite like Neale and don’t feel like he’s an unworthy dual Brownlow winner per se, it’s just that this didn’t seem to be a year where he would win that second medal. If someone was going to get a little lucky, I’m happy enough that it’s him.

Yeah I think I fall broadly in consensus with this as well. Part of the problem lies with the fact that this year felt... not compromised, but prone to sampling bias: Daicos was the pre-ordained favourite for so much of the year that we assume that a winner would only be deserving if they had a better season than him, even though any other candidate would have played more games.

Now of course I happen to think one player actually did that: Bont. But then we come to the second half of the issue: just how big the difference is between a 3 and a 2. Just purely mathematically you lose so much more ground going from 3 to 2 than, say, 10 to 8 as it would be in the coaches award. Not to mention how it changes the balance between consistency and excellence. Libba had a good enough season to be a top ten contender in another team - Daicos wasn't cannaibalised nearly as much. That's neither of their fault, of course, just that other odd quirk of the Brownlow that comes up all the time.

 

[Russty_]

I still can't believe that 77 people voted in the above poll and none of us picked Lachie.

I think Lachie Neale will win it this year.

 

[Rowsus]

I think there is a little "been there, done that" at times when the umpires vote. If they're not sure where to vote, a previous winner seems a safe pick.
This might explain Goodes' 2nd Brownlow in 2006, and even possibly how Mitchell polled so high this season.

 

[Baglimit]

The home and away season has officially finished. Who do you think the umpires have selected as the AFL's best and fairest for 2023?

Please only select more than 1 player if you think that there will be multiple winners (you can select up to 3).

Please select who you think will win, not who you want to win.

Brownlow predictor sites/articles:

https://www.afl.com.au/brownlow-medal/predictor

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_...board-odds-every-team-every-player-every-vote

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl...i-christian-petracca/cpofkl3vumlybdfz6ekq4kjp

https://aflratings.com.au/brownlow/

The below image is from the AFL website:

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P.S. I am not encouraging gambling/betting in any way, shape or form. If you do decide to gamble, please do it responsibly.

Dunno how to start a thread, but who wins 2024 Brownlow? Just saw the odds, Flanders $501 wow.

Only player who has cracked 100 SC points EVERY game this year in a **** team! If he only averages 1 vote per game he on 20 with 4 rounds to go lol. Ave 1.5 he on 30 votes. That wins most Brownlow’s

 

[Russty_]

Dunno how to start a thread, but who wins 2024 Brownlow? Just saw the odds, Flanders $501 wow.

Only player who has cracked 100 SC points EVERY game this year in a **** team! If he only averages 1 vote per game he on 20 with 4 rounds to go lol. Ave 1.5 he on 30 votes. That wins most Brownlow’s

Try clicking on new posts and then "Post thread"