Opinion Who wins the 2023 Brownlow Medal? (POLL)
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Top two mids from the contenders;
Petracca 26
Viney 24
Butters 27
Rozee 21
Bont 29
Libba 17
NEALE 31
Ashcroft 10
Then there’s Daicos and his 28 with Mitchell’s 12 only. Had Daicos not got injured he would have been a monty for the Brownlow.
You don’t need to be the best player of the season to win the award. Generally, you just need the second best mid in your team to poll not very many.
Petracca 26
Viney 24
Butters 27
Rozee 21
Bont 29
Libba 17
NEALE 31
Ashcroft 10
Then there’s Daicos and his 28 with Mitchell’s 12 only. Had Daicos not got injured he would have been a monty for the Brownlow.
You don’t need to be the best player of the season to win the award. Generally, you just need the second best mid in your team to poll not very many.
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This was our warning for tonight everyone. If I’d seen this beforehand I would’ve loaded up.
This was our warning for tonight everyone. If I’d seen this beforehand I would’ve loaded up.
Someone needs to tweet that "has the umpire stuffed up" account about some of the votes tonight, there were definitely quite a few weird vote choices.
Neale very lucky: as mentioned by a few of you, I really expected Dunkley to take away a few more votes from him. Well done though.
Bont is looking like he will end up one of the best players not to win a Brownlow the way his career is going. I know there's a lot of other greats who never won one too, but he would have to feel a bit ripped off this year. Again.
Neale very lucky: as mentioned by a few of you, I really expected Dunkley to take away a few more votes from him. Well done though.
Bont is looking like he will end up one of the best players not to win a Brownlow the way his career is going. I know there's a lot of other greats who never won one too, but he would have to feel a bit ripped off this year. Again.
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But then how can it be differentiated between the other awards other than naming rights, etc? 
It is amusing how for six months the football public constantly complain about umpiring being the deciding factor between their teams winning and losing and that they have no idea what they are doing, but then waiting on bated breath for their votes as if it holds any credibility. Who wants to win individual awards in a team sport anyway?
It is amusing how for six months the football public constantly complain about umpiring being the deciding factor between their teams winning and losing and that they have no idea what they are doing, but then waiting on bated breath for their votes as if it holds any credibility. Who wants to win individual awards in a team sport anyway?
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Need to transfer voting to Michael Christian from the MRO
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But then how can it be differentiated between the other awards other than naming rights, etc?
It is amusing how for six months the football public constantly complain about umpiring being the deciding factor between their teams winning and losing and that they have no idea what they are doing, but then waiting on bated breath for their votes as if it holds any credibility. Who wants to win individual awards in a team sport anyway?
It is amusing how for six months the football public constantly complain about umpiring being the deciding factor between their teams winning and losing and that they have no idea what they are doing, but then waiting on bated breath for their votes as if it holds any credibility. Who wants to win individual awards in a team sport anyway?
Umps are definitely not doing themselves any favours by trying to get back into everyone's good books with some of the votes tonight.
Here's my take... some umps place more stock in winning (right or wrong, who's to say).
So racking up a stack of ball and still losing = 0 votes, as does kicking goals for the losing side.
Rich was the leading ball winner for the Lions off half back: 1 vote
Cameron booted 7, but a bunch probably fell into his lap: 2 votes
Brisbane beat a strong midfield; Clug, Dunkley and Neale were all about the same (21/21/20 disposals), may as well give the 3 to Lachie, he's always very polite
So racking up a stack of ball and still losing = 0 votes, as does kicking goals for the losing side.
Rich was the leading ball winner for the Lions off half back: 1 vote
Cameron booted 7, but a bunch probably fell into his lap: 2 votes
Brisbane beat a strong midfield; Clug, Dunkley and Neale were all about the same (21/21/20 disposals), may as well give the 3 to Lachie, he's always very polite
Composite system of votes from coaches, captains, umpires and the media might work. It won't happen, but at least it should give a more satisfactory result.
If you really wanted too, you could probably work something out from the various awards this year as to who would have won under a system like that.
If you really wanted too, you could probably work something out from the various awards this year as to who would have won under a system like that.
Just catching up on all this and definitely agree with the prevailing sentiment.. feels like such a hollow award when some blatantly baffling decisions end up being the difference in who wins.
My theory is that umpires have so much going on, they often don't judge the game in it's entirety but instead it's moments that capture their attention. A particularly good couple of plays in the middle will resonate, and if they see a known superstar do some good things they are often going to have a unconscious bias. It can't be a coincidence that certain players always poll well, and others are often poll well under their performance.
Personally, I would love to see a small change that helps support the umpires rather than vilifying them - have an independent panel (say 3-5 commentators/journos/coaches) submit a shortlist to the umpires immediately after the came of who they felt were the best 6 or so players on the field. Then the umpires debate each on their merits, and award the votes. Still an umpire driven award, but instead of asking them to rate every player and umpire a fast flowing and complex game, make it somewhat easier for them.
If nothing else, this would have solved the JHF and Neale head scratchers, and could also see more forwards/defenders poll well as we could see games where more of the shortlist aren't midfielders.
My theory is that umpires have so much going on, they often don't judge the game in it's entirety but instead it's moments that capture their attention. A particularly good couple of plays in the middle will resonate, and if they see a known superstar do some good things they are often going to have a unconscious bias. It can't be a coincidence that certain players always poll well, and others are often poll well under their performance.
Personally, I would love to see a small change that helps support the umpires rather than vilifying them - have an independent panel (say 3-5 commentators/journos/coaches) submit a shortlist to the umpires immediately after the came of who they felt were the best 6 or so players on the field. Then the umpires debate each on their merits, and award the votes. Still an umpire driven award, but instead of asking them to rate every player and umpire a fast flowing and complex game, make it somewhat easier for them.
If nothing else, this would have solved the JHF and Neale head scratchers, and could also see more forwards/defenders poll well as we could see games where more of the shortlist aren't midfielders.