Discussion 2025: AFL SuperCoach Discussion - OPEN

[Impromptu]

Yeah I was just considering this.

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An injury to Darcy would mean he would go to the bench, leaving TDK in R1 and Flynn and Boyd in R2 and Flex. They can't exist anywhere else.

So then you'd be wanting decent scores from TDK, Flynn and Boyd or else you would be losing the full benefit of the Flex. Flynn at Flex could still effectively cover a non-playing Boyd in R2 but you are pretty much painting yourself into a phonebox as this situation leaves you stuck having to cover R2 instead of being able to eliminate your 22nd score.

If Boyd and Flynn look like getting minutes early on, then it is still ok, I guess, as they both offer great cash if played. But if one of them is missing, then the other really needs to be played at R3 while you get the Flex filled by someone on another line.

Alternatively, you could run an R/F in R3 and have a Luke Jackson type ready to come in from the forwards. It gives you back the flexibility but at the cost a decent cash cow perhaps in Boyd. Maybe Boyd will make 200k which is only 5% of the 4 million you want to make but yeah.... food for thought.....

At this early stage, and just going off what I once saw of Flynn and have read about Boyd, they sound like a very good rookie and a promising MP to have in the list. If they get games, I think I'll be trusting them in the starting lineup and risking the potential loss of flexibility in the opening rounds.

If you want to use FLEX with Ruck correctly here, then you need to make Boyd (RUC) to Sims (RUC/FWD).

Therefore,

Ruck: TDK, Sims (Darcy)
Fwd: Caleb (Hewitt)
Flex: Flynn

If Darcy gets injured, you still get to play your 23rd guy.

Step 1: Flynn and Sims substitute.

Ruck: TDK, Flynn (Darcy)
Fwd: Caleb (Hewitt)
Flex: Sims

Step 2: Caleb and Sims substitute.

Ruck: TDK, Flynn (Darcy)
Fwd: Sims (Hewitt)
Flex: Caleb

Step 3: Hewitt and Sims substitute.

Ruck: TDK, Flynn (Darcy)
Fwd: Hewitt (Sims)
Flex: Caleb

You need the Ruck Bench to be RUC/FWD if your Flex is Ruck otherwise, you will have no cover if your Flex Ruck or in fact your Rucks are out. That is why I'm tempted to skip Boyd (RUC) and go Sims (RUC/FWD) which will in effect means your FWD bench covers your 3 main rucks.

REMEMBER IF YOU HAVE A 3 RUCKS SETUP (2 RUCK 1 FLEX) then your RUCK bench needs to be Sims (RUC/FWD) not Boyd (RUC) to be covered by Bench Guy in your FWD Line.

Naturally, you need to decide on how important this as you do get best 22 of 23.

 

[freowho]

If you want to use FLEX with Ruck correctly here, then you need to make Boyd (RUC) to Sims (RUC/FWD).

Therefore,

Ruck: TDK, Sims (Darcy)
Fwd: Caleb (Hewitt)
Flex: Flynn

If Darcy gets injured, you still get to play your 23rd guy.

Step 1: Flynn and Sims substitute.

Ruck: TDK, Flynn (Darcy)
Fwd: Caleb (Hewitt)
Flex: Sims

Step 2: Caleb and Sims substitute.

Ruck: TDK, Flynn (Darcy)
Fwd: Sims (Hewitt)
Flex: Caleb

Step 3: Hewitt and Sims substitute.

Ruck: TDK, Flynn (Darcy)
Fwd: Hewitt (Sims)
Flex: Caleb

You need the Ruck Bench to be RUC/FWD if your Flex is Ruck otherwise, you will have no cover if your Flex Ruck or in fact your Rucks are out. That is why I'm tempted to skip Boyd (RUC) and go Sims (RUC/FWD) which will in effect means your FWD bench covers your 3 main rucks.

REMEMBER IF YOU HAVE A 3 RUCKS SETUP (2 RUCK 1 FLEX) then your RUCK bench needs to be Sims (RUC/FWD) not Boyd (RUC) to be covered by Bench Guy in your FWD Line.

Naturally, you need to decide on how important this as you do get best 22 of 23.

I hadn't thought of that. You could go TDK, Boyd, R/F and Flynn at flex and have cover. No need to have a playing R/F in the forward line. 👍

 

[OnTopBar]

Looks like Kiddy could miss rounds 0 & 1, he could play round 2 with a rest (bye = managed) then be ok for round 4.

I'd be fairly keen on starting a similarly priced player, who might get a price rise or two before flipping to Coleman. I guess the thing to do would be to start someone who doesn't play round 0, although Doedee by all accounts looks fit and so far, is ready to go and is someone who has 30+ points of upside. Brown and Banks, Trezise too from the Tigers, Schoenmaker, Williams, Sinn fit the bill from an early bye perspective, Logue and Blight maybe, but more the lockdown types.

I've also got Rivers and Mills, if one or both don't fire then a downgrade to Kiddy is also on the cards.

How many of these rookie defenders will we get ?

B Allan *
Bice
El-Hawli *
Jaques
Leake
Z Reid (here we go again)
Trainor
Travaglia *

If enough present

Mills @ D3
Coleman @ D4 (possibly Trezise , Blight , Sinn , Logue , Williams if Coleman isn't right to start)

 

[Herbie66]

If you want to use FLEX with Ruck correctly here, then you need to make Boyd (RUC) to Sims (RUC/FWD).

Therefore,

Ruck: TDK, Sims (Darcy)
Fwd: Caleb (Hewitt)
Flex: Flynn

If Darcy gets injured, you still get to play your 23rd guy.

Step 1: Flynn and Sims substitute.

Ruck: TDK, Flynn (Darcy)
Fwd: Caleb (Hewitt)
Flex: Sims

Step 2: Caleb and Sims substitute.

Ruck: TDK, Flynn (Darcy)
Fwd: Sims (Hewitt)
Flex: Caleb

Step 3: Hewitt and Sims substitute.

Ruck: TDK, Flynn (Darcy)
Fwd: Hewitt (Sims)
Flex: Caleb

You need the Ruck Bench to be RUC/FWD if your Flex is Ruck otherwise, you will have no cover if your Flex Ruck or in fact your Rucks are out. That is why I'm tempted to skip Boyd (RUC) and go Sims (RUC/FWD) which will in effect means your FWD bench covers your 3 main rucks.

REMEMBER IF YOU HAVE A 3 RUCKS SETUP (2 RUCK 1 FLEX) then your RUCK bench needs to be Sims (RUC/FWD) not Boyd (RUC) to be covered by Bench Guy in your FWD Line.

Naturally, you need to decide on how important this as you do get best 22 of 23.

Great summary

Certainly can see where it would be advantageous if we knew during the week a ruck was going to be missing 1 game.

during the round though if they were a late out , would certainly need some manipulation of players due to fixture order each round

could also use the D/R in Zakostelsky if we think D7 is a better option than F7 for coverage

set the DPP's up correctly and could even be M9 as the cover

Fingers crossed Boyd actually starts

 

[Herbie66]

Looks like Kiddy could miss rounds 0 & 1, he could play round 2 with a rest (bye = managed) then be ok for round 4.

I'd be fairly keen on starting a similarly priced player, who might get a price rise or two before flipping to Coleman. I guess the thing to do would be to start someone who doesn't play round 0, although Doedee by all accounts looks fit and so far, is ready to go and is someone who has 30+ points of upside. Brown and Banks, Trezise too from the Tigers, Schoenmaker, Williams, Sinn fit the bill from an early bye perspective, Logue and Blight maybe, but more the lockdown types.

I've also got Rivers and Mills, if one or both don't fire then a downgrade to Kiddy is also on the cards.

plenty of time to look at different scenarios if Kiddy doesn't start , don't mind putting Sinclair in the mids as "insurance" and then Kiddy can become a mid (or forward) with the right DPP's

also gives a bit more flexibility when it is time to move the defensive rookies on

certainly could be enough similarly priced players at this stage to replace him with if necessary

premium , premium , Mills , Kiddy , rookie , rookie , rookie , rookie does look good on paper though

 

[Herbie66]

Matt Flynn
West Coast Ruck

$261,900

Hard to ignore at that price if he is the starting ruck

Game count history a definite worry , can he stay on the park for the first 6-8 rounds at least to give points and make enough money ?

Past Supercoach Average Scores
Year Games Average

2021 12 87.0
2022 12 84.3
2023 9 88.0
2024 4 60.8​

 

[7/11]

Been having a look at the game order for loops and have created this spreadsheet. I've done it to the last bye round (trusting the game order doesn't change). Made the team names vanilla for ease of view:



At the moment, it looks as though West Coast have the best looping schedule. Round 16 doesn't matter so much as I assume we will all have at least 1-2 players from those teams on the bye. GWS and Sydney also have good looping schedules.

For those interested in the total, I just added the game numbers together and for byes, I added 9 to the total as it was effectively like playing the last game anyway.

 

[Jim Irwin's Heart]

It's a real trap this year. The players I like without early byes are loaded into round 12 and 13. It's also nice to have some round 12 and 13 targets to trade in for the run home after their bye. Adelaide, Melbourne, Richmond and West Coast have good byes but I'm not a fan of their premiums.

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Richmond doesn’t have any premiums except maybe for Nank the tank

 

[donnybuang]

If you want to use FLEX with Ruck correctly here, then you need to make Boyd (RUC) to Sims (RUC/FWD).

Therefore,

Ruck: TDK, Sims (Darcy)
Fwd: Caleb (Hewitt)
Flex: Flynn

If Darcy gets injured, you still get to play your 23rd guy.

Step 1: Flynn and Sims substitute.

Ruck: TDK, Flynn (Darcy)
Fwd: Caleb (Hewitt)
Flex: Sims

Step 2: Caleb and Sims substitute.

Ruck: TDK, Flynn (Darcy)
Fwd: Sims (Hewitt)
Flex: Caleb

Step 3: Hewitt and Sims substitute.

Ruck: TDK, Flynn (Darcy)
Fwd: Hewitt (Sims)
Flex: Caleb

You need the Ruck Bench to be RUC/FWD if your Flex is Ruck otherwise, you will have no cover if your Flex Ruck or in fact your Rucks are out. That is why I'm tempted to skip Boyd (RUC) and go Sims (RUC/FWD) which will in effect means your FWD bench covers your 3 main rucks.

REMEMBER IF YOU HAVE A 3 RUCKS SETUP (2 RUCK 1 FLEX) then your RUCK bench needs to be Sims (RUC/FWD) not Boyd (RUC) to be covered by Bench Guy in your FWD Line.

Naturally, you need to decide on how important this as you do get best 22 of 23.

I fell like this is an ideal set up for end of season when trades are gone as well.

 

[Shannon]

Richmond doesn’t have any premiums except maybe for Nank the tank

Jayden Short possibly

 

[Zagbag]

Happy new year everyone.

I think you have the way to use flex the wrong way around. You don't want someone with a low floor in that spot because they are more likely to give you a 40 when you needed them to replace someone else spitting out likewise.

I'd suggest you want someone who you an be pretty confident will hit 80+ at the start. That way, when your D6 lets you down or Sean Darcy decides this week will be the week for his 48, you have someone in flex to fix it for you.

I've gone for Flynn at the moment, thinking he can do that and make some coin if he's the preferred WCE ruck but you'd be jut as good going Bont imv.

I don’t understand how this works, tangibly.

You say that you don’t want Lynch as flex, as he’s just wild enough that he can deliver a 100 as 20.

But my question is, how does that make any difference – if you had someone else as flex, you still end up with the same score? Lynch’s 20 drops out whether he is Flex or not.

Can someone explain, preferably using an actual example for my small brain – because as I can see it, if you have 23 players, you will end up with best 22 regardless of the flex is – so it really doesn’t matter what style of player or standard deviation they deliver? Surely it only matters that they are a regular player that you don’t want to VC, or can’t fit on another line.

People also say, use it as a rookie for cash generation – but again, what difference does it make? If you were going to spend the same $ on players anyway, it’s a zero sum game.

 

[Shannon]

Been having a look at the game order for loops and have created this spreadsheet. I've done it to the last bye round (trusting the game order doesn't change). Made the team names vanilla for ease of view:

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At the moment, it looks as though West Coast have the best looping schedule. Round 16 doesn't matter so much as I assume we will all have at least 1-2 players from those teams on the bye. GWS and Sydney also have good looping schedules.

For those interested in the total, I just added the game numbers together and for byes, I added 9 to the total as it was effectively like playing the last game anyway.

Looking at this awesome chart, Carlton have a great draw to pick your VC from - only round they don't play early is round 7.

Makes TDK very appealing to put in the Flex position with the VC if 100% playing & no Pittonet in the team

 

[7/11]

Looking at this awesome chart, Carlton have a great draw to pick your VC from - only round they don't play early is round 7.

Makes TDK very appealing to put in the Flex position with the VC if 100% playing & no Pittonet in the team

I was actually thinking Cripps VC with the relatively soft opening draw for Carlton. TDK works too though.

 

[Mafia FC]

Been having a look at the game order for loops and have created this spreadsheet. I've done it to the last bye round (trusting the game order doesn't change). Made the team names vanilla for ease of view:

View attachment 83151

At the moment, it looks as though West Coast have the best looping schedule. Round 16 doesn't matter so much as I assume we will all have at least 1-2 players from those teams on the bye. GWS and Sydney also have good looping schedules.

For those interested in the total, I just added the game numbers together and for byes, I added 9 to the total as it was effectively like playing the last game anyway.

Round 16 isn't known yet so maybe exclude that column, West Coast will still be easily on top

 

[Mafia FC]

Looks like Kiddy could miss rounds 0 & 1, he could play round 2 with a rest (bye = managed) then be ok for round 4.

I'd be fairly keen on starting a similarly priced player, who might get a price rise or two before flipping to Coleman. I guess the thing to do would be to start someone who doesn't play round 0, although Doedee by all accounts looks fit and so far, is ready to go and is someone who has 30+ points of upside. Brown and Banks, Trezise too from the Tigers, Schoenmaker, Williams, Sinn fit the bill from an early bye perspective, Logue and Blight maybe, but more the lockdown types.

I've also got Rivers and Mills, if one or both don't fire then a downgrade to Kiddy is also on the cards.

Who is "Kiddy"? I'm usually good to work out the name variations but this one has me stumped lol

 

[Lost In The Sky]

Who is "Kiddy"? I'm usually good to work out the name variations but this one has me stumped lol

Keidean Coleman

 

[Mumtazz]

Current side with 290K to run some changes:

 

[Chumpion]

I don’t understand how this works, tangibly.

You say that you don’t want Lynch as flex, as he’s just wild enough that he can deliver a 100 as 20.

But my question is, how does that make any difference – if you had someone else as flex, you still end up with the same score? Lynch’s 20 drops out whether he is Flex or not.

Can someone explain, preferably using an actual example for my small brain – because as I can see it, if you have 23 players, you will end up with best 22 regardless of the flex is – so it really doesn’t matter what style of player or standard deviation they deliver? Surely it only matters that they are a regular player that you don’t want to VC, or can’t fit on another line.

People also say, use it as a rookie for cash generation – but again, what difference does it make? If you were going to spend the same $ on players anyway, it’s a zero sum game.

The best way I’ve approached it is to set aside 1/31st of my salary cap, and then build my preferred 30 man team pretending the flex doesn’t exist. Essentially try and build a traditional 30 man squad from previous years. Then work out who was the 1 player on a particular line I wish I could fit in and fill the flex spot with that person.
They won’t be the one that stays there as the goals and preferences each round will change, that’s how I’m working out my preferred use.

The strategy around the flex spot will change over the season, starting team has one approach, but then trading and team balance will dictate the direction for a lot of the early parts of the season.

 

[OnTopBar]

Having a bit of a play around and this team came out, don't mind it, no real rookies on the ground barring Smillie at Flex, although there are 3 rookie priced players. Also relies on a playing R3 as there aren't many options should Flynn go down.

A good spread over all of the byes, round 13 has 5 but wouldn't expect SPP or Darcy to be in the team then.

Loopability over all 3 lines in each of the early byes barring round 2 in defence.

Cash gen is a bit of a worry.

 

[Shannon]

Current side with 290K to run some changes: View attachment 83156 View attachment 83157

Your defence & forward lines worry me.

Defence - Whitfield bye round 2 & has a double bye, Humphries & SDK round 3 bye & have double byes - don't really see the appeal as mid price options tbh.

Maric at F3 is scary - I would be looking at Phillipou & B Smith in that fwd line. Maybe drop Sanders to a rookie like Jagga Smith to free cash up.