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[I am Cursed :(]

The single biggest piece of trading advice I can give (and will hopefully follow this year) is to think of the season in its totality. It's so easy to think of this game as a week by week prospect but when you look back on the season you aren't going to care what your highs and lows were, you will just care about the overall result.

- You don't have to avoid every zero. I'm guilty of this year in year out. If I'm going to cop a zero, I make the best trade available to me at the time. This usually involves a sideways trade or culling a cash cow early.
- You don't have to trade in every bubble boy. Josh Glenn scored 103 in his first game and then averaged 39 in his remaining 4 games for the season and yet so many players here were stuck with him all season. Jack Steele averaged 76.5 in his first two games, burst the bubble with a 94 and then went on to average 50.75 for the rest of the season only playing 4 out of a possible 8 games. Rookies are inconsistent. Just because someone is set for a major price hike doesn't mean you will be behind the 8 ball long term if you miss out.
- You don't have to do every upgrade IMMEDIATELY. How often do you pull the trigger early on an Ablett / Pendles type because they are playing a bottom team and MIGHT explode. This often comes at the expense of someone else in your team. Last year I downgraded Newnes to McKenzie in order to upgrade Ellis Yoleman to Pendles. Pendles averaged 100.75 for the next 4 weeks, Newnes went on to be a defensive keeper.
- You don't need to tinker with your team every week. Half the time I fiddle with it just to feel like I'm doing something! It seems wrong to not trade for 3 weeks in a row so you tinker with minor things and hurt yourself down the track.

Basically - it's a marathon not a sprint. As Jurn said you need to think about how your trades will impact you later on.

 

[Juzzo]

The single biggest piece of trading advice I can give (and will hopefully follow this year) is to think of the season in its totality. It's so easy to think of this game as a week by week prospect but when you look back on the season you aren't going to care what your highs and lows were, you will just care about the overall result.

- You don't have to avoid every zero. I'm guilty of this year in year out. If I'm going to cop a zero, I make the best trade available to me at the time. This usually involves a sideways trade or culling a cash cow early.
- You don't have to trade in every bubble boy. Josh Glenn scored 103 in his first game and then averaged 39 in his remaining 4 games for the season and yet so many players here were stuck with him all season. Jack Steele averaged 76.5 in his first two games, burst the bubble with a 94 and then went on to average 50.75 for the rest of the season only playing 4 out of a possible 8 games. Rookies are inconsistent. Just because someone is set for a major price hike doesn't mean you will be behind the 8 ball long term if you miss out.
- You don't have to do every upgrade IMMEDIATELY. How often do you pull the trigger early on an Ablett / Pendles type because they are playing a bottom team and MIGHT explode. This often comes at the expense of someone else in your team. Last year I downgraded Newnes to McKenzie in order to upgrade Ellis Yoleman to Pendles. Pendles averaged 100.75 for the next 4 weeks, Newnes went on to be a defensive keeper.
- You don't need to tinker with your team every week. Half the time I fiddle with it just to feel like I'm doing something! It seems wrong to not trade for 3 weeks in a row so you tinker with minor things and hurt yourself down the track.

Basically - it's a marathon not a sprint. As Jurn said you need to think about how your trades will impact you later on.

Good point, I find it hard not to tinker. I think I am getting better at it. When in doubt look at the overall picture like you said. Good advice bud.

 

[Juzzo]

Just some thoughts going through my head and maybe not even SC relevant.
I love watching guys with a penetrating kick. Hawthorn for example with Mitchell and Hodge, they have bullet type kicking ability which must be an advantage to their forwards. On the other hand guys like Pendles and Swan who have slow moving kicks, this could be a disadvantage to Collingwood forwards especially Cloke. I think if Cloke had guys like Hodge and Mitchell kicking to him he would have plenty more shots on goal.
Players that come to mind with bullet type, penetrating accurate kicks:
Goddard
Lewis (another leftie Hawk)
Danger
R Murphy
Vince
Hartlett (very powerful kick)
Shaw (beautiful kick)
Houli
Dusty
Rich
Smith (Crows)
Hurn
Eski
Yeo (thumping long)
D Swallow
Roughy (another hawk)
buddy (ex hawk, leftie)
Tex
Suckers (ex hawk leftie)
and the list goes on.

(Hawks recruiters not only look at left footers but penetrating left footers)
Rowsus might have some sort of stats or info on this or is it just purely an observational thing.

 

[Jordan]

What's everyone's thoughts on average vs total points
Is it better to have a 120 averaging player who plays 18-20 games vs a 105 player who plays 22.
Would you have to calculate the PIT system which ROWSUS has come up with.
Just curious to get everyone's thoughts

 

[Darkie]

What's everyone's thoughts on average vs total points
Is it better to have a 120 averaging player who plays 18-20 games vs a 105 player who plays 22.
Would you have to calculate the PIT system which ROWSUS has come up with.
Just curious to get everyone's thoughts

I think the PIT system is a good way to compare players for this purpose. A couple of additional points:

- I basically never pick anyone I don't expect to play 19+ games, unless they are very cheap, a stand-out in their line that can't be matched by a durable player, or not intended as a keeper anyway. In my view, a player should only be treated as durable if they have a record of durability - players tend not to suddenly "become" durable. There might be counterexamples, but I think it's a risky approach to assume that things will suddenly move in your favour. PIT captures some but not all of this.

- If PIT assumes you have cover providing you with, say, 60-80 points when a player misses, that only works if you do in fact have that cover, and your back-up is not required to cover another missed game on that line that week. If you picked six injury-prone starting mids, eg, they can't all be covered if you have a perfect storm of injuries - you don't have six bench players. That is true even if all six only miss one game for the year - the timing of those games is important. You can't really guard against this risk except by minimising it in the first place (and perhaps having reliable bench players, DPP and trades in hand, I suppose!).

- Picking durable/reliable players has additional advantages over and above what PIT would capture. Arguably one is not having to worry as much about a lot of your intended keepers (so you can focus on other spots in your team), although I think that's potentially more of a "feel" element than something that actually gains you points. A more tangible benefit is that picking durable players should save you trades, which are highly valuable. I think a lot of injury/omission/suspension trades are of somewhat lower quality as well - you can certainly use them to improve your team, but often you have less time to think about them, or a fairly tight budget constraint, eg, so they can be less useful in my view.

I've seen a couple of coaches make comments recently that the more they think about SC, the more they focus on the durability/reliability of their selections. My experience has been exactly the same. PIT does a good job of capturing the donut/lower-quality cover risk from less reliable selections, but going with the more reliable option carries additional benefits over and above what is captured in the PIT approach, in my view.

 

[Pearcey47]

There is an article that has just gone on the Herald Sun website titled 'Supercoach 2016 breakout contenders'. I was having a quick scan through it and I am sure it said the major prize in 2016 was $20,000. When I went in to double check I couldnt get access because I am not a subscriber. Can someone who is a subscriber go in and check??? Thats a massive drop from $50,000 to $20,000!

 

[Deeman1]

There is an article that has just gone on the Herald Sun website titled 'Supercoach 2016 breakout contenders'. I was having a quick scan through it and I am sure it said the major prize in 2016 was $20,000. When I went in to double check I couldnt get access because I am not a subscriber. Can someone who is a subscriber go in and check??? Thats a massive drop from $50,000 to $20,000!

That is what the article says, but the prizes in the SC gold team picker have not been updated for 2016, they still have the $50k for 2015.

So either it was a typo in the article, or the prize money has been significantly reduced.

We will know for sure when SC opes on the 29th Janaury.

 

[Pearcey47]

That is what the article says, but the prizes in the SC gold team picker have not been updated for 2016, they still have the $50k for 2015.

So either it was a typo in the article, or the prize money has been significantly reduced.

We will know for sure when SC opes on the 29th Janaury.

Thanks Deeman - a third option maybe that it is still a $50,000 prize pool but just split up with more prize winners? 48 hours and we will know!

 

[Goodie's Guns]

There is an article that has just gone on the Herald Sun website titled 'Supercoach 2016 breakout contenders'. I was having a quick scan through it and I am sure it said the major prize in 2016 was $20,000. When I went in to double check I couldnt get access because I am not a subscriber. Can someone who is a subscriber go in and check??? Thats a massive drop from $50,000 to $20,000!

That is what the article says, but the prizes in the SC gold team picker have not been updated for 2016, they still have the $50k for 2015.

So either it was a typo in the article, or the prize money has been significantly reduced.

We will know for sure when SC opes on the 29th Janaury.

Thanks Deeman - a third option maybe that it is still a $50,000 prize pool but just split up with more prize winners? 48 hours and we will know!

If this is true, and the prize has in fact dropped down to $20K that will cause outrage.

 

[Goodie's Guns]

Here's a quote from the article...

"If just one or two of these pays off you could have a shot at the major prize of $20,000."

 

[jaca]

Seems hard to believe that BBL is 10k and SC only 20k.

 

[Philzsay]

Typical, the year I win it they reduce the prize money.

Seriously, very annoying. I'd hope if they did it's because 2nd gets 10k, 3rd 5k, 4 to 10 1k each and 11 to 100 get $100 each, or something like that. However I doubt it.

 

[I am Cursed :(]

Maybe its supposed to be $200,000!

Pretty rough for the next winner of it's only $20k, even if the rest of the cash is spread from 2nd to 10th. Last year they INCREASED the weekly prizes and kept the car for SC cup. I'm told supercoach cup and hot streak are gone this year (unconfirmed) so it seems really strange for the prize money for normal supercoach to go backwards.

I'm guessing it's a typo or worst case a big shake up to the prize structure. They are still competing with dream team remember.

 

[Courtesans]

In the end 'the prize' is pie in the sky for most of us, getting to the pointy end of say the top 100 is a major achievement.

As long as they don't do an AFL Fantasy style 2 trades a week change, thereby fundamentally destroying the heart of the game, so be it.

 

[Goodie's Guns]

IMPORTANT SUPERCOACH ANNOUNCEMENT.

The subscriber exclusive SuperCoach 2016 Team Picker will close at midday Thursday ahead of the season launch on Friday.
Make sure you screen shot or write down your team as it will not transfer across when the new game begins.

 

[Aneil915]

IMPORTANT SUPERCOACH ANNOUNCEMENT.

The subscriber exclusive SuperCoach 2016 Team Picker will close at midday Thursday ahead of the season launch on Friday.
Make sure you screen shot or write down your team as it will not transfer across when the new game begins.

Thanks for the info, saved my team now incase I forget in the morning.

 

[Goodie's Guns]

Is someone with a digital pass able to re-check the article, I think it may have been edited back to $50,000.

 

[Philzsay]

Is someone with a digital pass able to re-check the article, I think it may have been edited back to $50,000.

Don't have digital pass but was able to look at the article. Yes it now says $50k. Phew!

 

[THCLT]

Don't have digital pass but was able to look at the article. Yes it now says $50k. Phew!

It might be $100k when SC finally opens this Friday!

 

[Jordan]

not sure if anyone has seen this yet but this was on twitter

The layout looks quite different
but it's good that they mixed things up