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Hi SCS! First draft I'm happy with so far. 14 keepers + Libba. Feel free to browse my summary and help me out if I'm missing anything. :)

Defenders : Gone heavy, but with very similar spends as up forward. I like this balance. Not happy with any of 350-450k players this year, bar maybe Hurn. Boyd / McVeigh / Bartel have been locked for a long time, only recently slipped Simpson in there over Houli who I believe will struggle this season. Looking at Richmond on paper from a SC perspective, and they're very much like Hawthorn. Huge spread of 90+ averages. I just don't trust Houli to hold the extra 5PPG he needs to justify the price, he could easily plateau at 82PPG. I'm hoping Collins can get a game early at the WBD, built like he's about 27 so should have no problems mixing with the bigger blokes. Standard Essendon filler rookies for now, with a hopeful placeholder in Sam Collins.

Midfielders : Stuck to players I can pick and not doubt for a second. Top 4 go without saying, and Libba is a contested midpriced beast who will be in 85% of teams come lock out. Rookies are mainly place holding for now, but I'm hoping I can have a similar setup as what I've got there as far as M/D/F flexibility is concerned

Rucks : Gone huge here, looking to avoid sideways trading. After checking out Stef Martins stats vs other rucks, he's basically a clearance midfielder. Averages over 20 disposals, 5 clearances and 6 marks a game. 91% TOG, 31 hitouts and Berger has gone. I've never felt more confident locking in a ruck regardless of price since Cox, so Goldstein is good to go. Max King gives use of any premium I want as a VC loophole option. Plays Sunday more often than not, and has R/F eligibility just in case I need it later in the season.

Forwards : Martin hasn't left my team, rarely does. I think everyone is waiting for him to take that extra step though. Dahlhaus running at 66% efficiency and 82% TOG has room to improve. I feel like his contested ball count may drop a touch this year due to Libba returning, but will hopefully free him up to increase his efficiency and lift his TOG%. Barlow at that price with M/F is good value considering his previous 110/111PPG seasons. Had a shocker of a year last year and still returned 93 average. He is the one I'm the most wary about though, so I'll be watching with a keen eye over the NAB. Backing Toby Greene to take the next step this year. It has a Luke Parker 2014 feeling about it. :D

Thanks for reading, looking forward to some feedback and structural advice. I only have $600 left with this draft, I have a habit of spending every dollar I can in draft teams :rolleyes:
I do like this as a opening team. You have 7 on field rookies but recent history says this should be fine. At the least you've got your ideal GnR setup as a starting point and can tinker around as rookies make themselves known.

I for one as is clear from earlier comments think that Goldy is fine to start. I do understand the "moneyball" idea but in your case dropping down to say NicNat leaves $100K without an immediately obvious place to spend it. TO clear your on-field rookies down to 6 you'd need a couple of value plays to then take a rookie up to a Bird/Crouch type. My view is if the rookies are there then probably best to avoid these mid-pricers.
 
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Hi SCS! First draft I'm happy with so far. 14 keepers + Libba. Feel free to browse my summary and help me out if I'm missing anything. :)

Defenders : Gone heavy, but with very similar spends as up forward. I like this balance. Not happy with any of 350-450k players this year, bar maybe Hurn. Boyd / McVeigh / Bartel have been locked for a long time, only recently slipped Simpson in there over Houli who I believe will struggle this season. Looking at Richmond on paper from a SC perspective, and they're very much like Hawthorn. Huge spread of 90+ averages. I just don't trust Houli to hold the extra 5PPG he needs to justify the price, he could easily plateau at 82PPG. I'm hoping Collins can get a game early at the WBD, built like he's about 27 so should have no problems mixing with the bigger blokes. Standard Essendon filler rookies for now, with a hopeful placeholder in Sam Collins.

Midfielders : Stuck to players I can pick and not doubt for a second. Top 4 go without saying, and Libba is a contested midpriced beast who will be in 85% of teams come lock out. Rookies are mainly place holding for now, but I'm hoping I can have a similar setup as what I've got there as far as M/D/F flexibility is concerned

Rucks : Gone huge here, looking to avoid sideways trading. After checking out Stef Martins stats vs other rucks, he's basically a clearance midfielder. Averages over 20 disposals, 5 clearances and 6 marks a game. 91% TOG, 31 hitouts and Berger has gone. I've never felt more confident locking in a ruck regardless of price since Cox, so Goldstein is good to go. Max King gives use of any premium I want as a VC loophole option. Plays Sunday more often than not, and has R/F eligibility just in case I need it later in the season.

Forwards : Martin hasn't left my team, rarely does. I think everyone is waiting for him to take that extra step though. Dahlhaus running at 66% efficiency and 82% TOG has room to improve. I feel like his contested ball count may drop a touch this year due to Libba returning, but will hopefully free him up to increase his efficiency and lift his TOG%. Barlow at that price with M/F is good value considering his previous 110/111PPG seasons. Had a shocker of a year last year and still returned 93 average. He is the one I'm the most wary about though, so I'll be watching with a keen eye over the NAB. Backing Toby Greene to take the next step this year. It has a Luke Parker 2014 feeling about it. :D

Thanks for reading, looking forward to some feedback and structural advice. I only have $600 left with this draft, I have a habit of spending every dollar I can in draft teams :rolleyes:
I like this side. If it were mine I would make 2 changes.
1. Simmo to cheaper speculative pick.
2. Greene to Lynch GC
 
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Hi SCS! First draft I'm happy with so far. 14 keepers + Libba. Feel free to browse my summary and help me out if I'm missing anything. :)

Defenders : Gone heavy, but with very similar spends as up forward. I like this balance. Not happy with any of 350-450k players this year, bar maybe Hurn. Boyd / McVeigh / Bartel have been locked for a long time, only recently slipped Simpson in there over Houli who I believe will struggle this season. Looking at Richmond on paper from a SC perspective, and they're very much like Hawthorn. Huge spread of 90+ averages. I just don't trust Houli to hold the extra 5PPG he needs to justify the price, he could easily plateau at 82PPG. I'm hoping Collins can get a game early at the WBD, built like he's about 27 so should have no problems mixing with the bigger blokes. Standard Essendon filler rookies for now, with a hopeful placeholder in Sam Collins.

Midfielders : Stuck to players I can pick and not doubt for a second. Top 4 go without saying, and Libba is a contested midpriced beast who will be in 85% of teams come lock out. Rookies are mainly place holding for now, but I'm hoping I can have a similar setup as what I've got there as far as M/D/F flexibility is concerned

Rucks : Gone huge here, looking to avoid sideways trading. After checking out Stef Martins stats vs other rucks, he's basically a clearance midfielder. Averages over 20 disposals, 5 clearances and 6 marks a game. 91% TOG, 31 hitouts and Berger has gone. I've never felt more confident locking in a ruck regardless of price since Cox, so Goldstein is good to go. Max King gives use of any premium I want as a VC loophole option. Plays Sunday more often than not, and has R/F eligibility just in case I need it later in the season.

Forwards : Martin hasn't left my team, rarely does. I think everyone is waiting for him to take that extra step though. Dahlhaus running at 66% efficiency and 82% TOG has room to improve. I feel like his contested ball count may drop a touch this year due to Libba returning, but will hopefully free him up to increase his efficiency and lift his TOG%. Barlow at that price with M/F is good value considering his previous 110/111PPG seasons. Had a shocker of a year last year and still returned 93 average. He is the one I'm the most wary about though, so I'll be watching with a keen eye over the NAB. Backing Toby Greene to take the next step this year. It has a Luke Parker 2014 feeling about it. :D

Thanks for reading, looking forward to some feedback and structural advice. I only have $600 left with this draft, I have a habit of spending every dollar I can in draft teams :rolleyes:
Best team I've seen Hawk. Can't fault anywhere but wait until rookies come around 1
 
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Hi SCS! First draft I'm happy with so far. 14 keepers + Libba. Feel free to browse my summary and help me out if I'm missing anything. :)

Defenders : Gone heavy, but with very similar spends as up forward. I like this balance. Not happy with any of 350-450k players this year, bar maybe Hurn. Boyd / McVeigh / Bartel have been locked for a long time, only recently slipped Simpson in there over Houli who I believe will struggle this season. Looking at Richmond on paper from a SC perspective, and they're very much like Hawthorn. Huge spread of 90+ averages. I just don't trust Houli to hold the extra 5PPG he needs to justify the price, he could easily plateau at 82PPG. I'm hoping Collins can get a game early at the WBD, built like he's about 27 so should have no problems mixing with the bigger blokes. Standard Essendon filler rookies for now, with a hopeful placeholder in Sam Collins.

Midfielders : Stuck to players I can pick and not doubt for a second. Top 4 go without saying, and Libba is a contested midpriced beast who will be in 85% of teams come lock out. Rookies are mainly place holding for now, but I'm hoping I can have a similar setup as what I've got there as far as M/D/F flexibility is concerned

Rucks : Gone huge here, looking to avoid sideways trading. After checking out Stef Martins stats vs other rucks, he's basically a clearance midfielder. Averages over 20 disposals, 5 clearances and 6 marks a game. 91% TOG, 31 hitouts and Berger has gone. I've never felt more confident locking in a ruck regardless of price since Cox, so Goldstein is good to go. Max King gives use of any premium I want as a VC loophole option. Plays Sunday more often than not, and has R/F eligibility just in case I need it later in the season.

Forwards : Martin hasn't left my team, rarely does. I think everyone is waiting for him to take that extra step though. Dahlhaus running at 66% efficiency and 82% TOG has room to improve. I feel like his contested ball count may drop a touch this year due to Libba returning, but will hopefully free him up to increase his efficiency and lift his TOG%. Barlow at that price with M/F is good value considering his previous 110/111PPG seasons. Had a shocker of a year last year and still returned 93 average. He is the one I'm the most wary about though, so I'll be watching with a keen eye over the NAB. Backing Toby Greene to take the next step this year. It has a Luke Parker 2014 feeling about it. :D

Thanks for reading, looking forward to some feedback and structural advice. I only have $600 left with this draft, I have a habit of spending every dollar I can in draft teams :rolleyes:
Like the others have said Hawk, I like this team very much too.

My only comment would be that 9/16 rookies are 117k types and the other 7 are all 123k types, this may work out, but it maybe the case come round 1 that you may have to find some cash for more expensive rookies.

I would not touch the mids or rucks. Your probable options would be McVeigh or Dahlhaus down slightly to find the extra funds.

Not a major prblem at this stage, but something to bear in mind.
 
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Second draft. Won't be everyone's cup of tea I'm sure !

D: Bartel, Simpson, Malceski, KK, M Brown(ESS), Hartley, Wagner, Wigg
M: Ablett, Kennedy, Rockliff, Liberatore, Wines, O'Meara, Mitchell, Petracca, Morabito, Beech, Dunkley
R: Martin, Sandilands, Chol
F: Franklin, Tippett, Barlow, Greene, Kerridge, Kommer, Adams, Yarran

Bank: $1.1k
DEF: Nothing controversial except perhaps Malceski
MIDS: Heavy on youth/breakout types, too many ?
RUCKS: Strong, hard to find fault and Tippett is cover
FWDS: Too Sydney heavy ? No Dusty could hurt, Greene a gamble
 
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Second draft. Won't be everyone's cup of tea I'm sure !

D: Bartel, Simpson, Malceski, KK, M Brown(ESS), Hartley, Wagner, Wigg
M: Ablett, Kennedy, Rockliff, Liberatore, Wines, O'Meara, Mitchell, Petracca, Morabito, Beech, Dunkley
R: Martin, Sandilands, Chol
F: Franklin, Tippett, Barlow, Greene, Kerridge, Kommer, Adams, Yarran

Bank: $1.1k
DEF: Nothing controversial except perhaps Malceski
MIDS: Heavy on youth/breakout types, too many ?
RUCKS: Strong, hard to find fault and Tippett is cover
FWDS: Too Sydney heavy ? No Dusty could hurt, Greene a gamble
Sounds like you've summed up your side pretty well.
Eski and Greene a gamble, yes.
 
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Midprice mania... might actually use this.

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I think that's too deep a midfield and you are paying for it on every other line. I think you need at least two starting mid rookies and I'd be looking to cull one of JOM/Crouch and one of JPK/Wines and go from there.

Lyons = not sold at all there. If sticking with this structure I'd go Wells instead.

Otherwise it seems like too many mid-pricers to upgrade and not enough cash generation to do so.
 
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Please feel free to comment thoughts and improvements on the team :)

Defenders:
Kade Simpson [CAR] ($500,200)
Kade Kolodjashnij [GCS] ($482,200)
Jimmy Bartel [GEE] [MID] ($470,400)
Brodie Smith [ADE] [MID] ($415,500)
Aliir Aliir [SYD] ($123,900)
Alex Johnson [SYD] ($123,900)
Mitch Brown [ESS] [FWD] ($117,300)
Riley Bonner [PTA] ($117,300)

Midfielders:
Gary Ablett [GCS] ($623,200)
Robbie Gray [PTA] ($595,900)
Adam Treloar [COL] ($576,400)
Tom Rockliff [BRL] ($550,100)
Ollie Wines [PTA] ($525,100)
Bryce Gibbs [CAR] ($444,600)
Tom Liberatore [WBD] ($357,300)
Sam Kerridge [CAR] [FWD] ($137,600)
Anthony Morabito [FRE] ($123,900)
Nathan Freeman [STK] ($123,900)
Jake Long [ESS] [FWD] ($117,300)

Rucks:
Stefan Martin [BRL] ($597,600)
Matthew Lobbe [PTA] ($389,500)
Darrean Wyatt [COL] [FWD] ($102,400)

Forwards:
Dustin Martin [RIC] [MID] ($569,300)
Michael Barlow [FRE] [MID] ($505,300)
Zach Merrett [ESS] [MID] ($477,400)
Craig Bird [ESS] [MID] ($348,000)
Jarrod Pickett [GWS] ($123,900)
Christian Petracca [MEL] [MID] ($123,900)
Oleg Markov [RIC] ($117,300)
Marcus Adams [WBD] [DEF] ($117,300)
 

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Please feel free to comment thoughts and improvements on the team :)

Defenders:
Kade Simpson [CAR] ($500,200)
Kade Kolodjashnij [GCS] ($482,200)
Jimmy Bartel [GEE] [MID] ($470,400)
Brodie Smith [ADE] [MID] ($415,500)
Aliir Aliir [SYD] ($123,900)
Alex Johnson [SYD] ($123,900)
Mitch Brown [ESS] [FWD] ($117,300)
Riley Bonner [PTA] ($117,300)

Midfielders:
Gary Ablett [GCS] ($623,200)
Robbie Gray [PTA] ($595,900)
Adam Treloar [COL] ($576,400)
Tom Rockliff [BRL] ($550,100)
Ollie Wines [PTA] ($525,100)
Bryce Gibbs [CAR] ($444,600)
Tom Liberatore [WBD] ($357,300)
Sam Kerridge [CAR] [FWD] ($137,600)
Anthony Morabito [FRE] ($123,900)
Nathan Freeman [STK] ($123,900)
Jake Long [ESS] [FWD] ($117,300)

Rucks:
Stefan Martin [BRL] ($597,600)
Matthew Lobbe [PTA] ($389,500)
Darrean Wyatt [COL] [FWD] ($102,400)

Forwards:
Dustin Martin [RIC] [MID] ($569,300)
Michael Barlow [FRE] [MID] ($505,300)
Zach Merrett [ESS] [MID] ($477,400)
Craig Bird [ESS] [MID] ($348,000)
Jarrod Pickett [GWS] ($123,900)
Christian Petracca [MEL] [MID] ($123,900)
Oleg Markov [RIC] ($117,300)
Marcus Adams [WBD] [DEF] ($117,300)
Hi Hazza - the thing that jumps out at me about your side is the midfield. To me there is no need for all the PODs - the best of the best are basically all cheap this year (Danger is the only exception I can think of), so I think we should just pick them ... no need to speculate on less proven/unproven names as I see it. I get the argument on Wines, but I'd suggest thinking hard about at least two of Gray, Treloar and Gibbs. I think Pendles would make a good replacement, perhaps alongside someone like JPK and JOM/Crouch if the existing structure is desired (I don't think Gibbs will be a good keeper for you, so he would be a stepping stone on that basis). I'd consider dropping a mid though, unless you are confident Bird is a keeper.

The other thing I would mention is that S Martin seems to be a very popular pick this year, and I can understand why, but his games played record is poor. You might already be aware of that, but I sense that some people are not, so I thought I would flag it.

Other than that, I quite like your side, and I have a fairly similar structure and many similar picks. Good luck.
 

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Hi SCS! First draft I'm happy with so far. 14 keepers + Libba. Feel free to browse my summary and help me out if I'm missing anything. :)

Defenders : Gone heavy, but with very similar spends as up forward. I like this balance. Not happy with any of 350-450k players this year, bar maybe Hurn. Boyd / McVeigh / Bartel have been locked for a long time, only recently slipped Simpson in there over Houli who I believe will struggle this season. Looking at Richmond on paper from a SC perspective, and they're very much like Hawthorn. Huge spread of 90+ averages. I just don't trust Houli to hold the extra 5PPG he needs to justify the price, he could easily plateau at 82PPG. I'm hoping Collins can get a game early at the WBD, built like he's about 27 so should have no problems mixing with the bigger blokes. Standard Essendon filler rookies for now, with a hopeful placeholder in Sam Collins.

Midfielders : Stuck to players I can pick and not doubt for a second. Top 4 go without saying, and Libba is a contested midpriced beast who will be in 85% of teams come lock out. Rookies are mainly place holding for now, but I'm hoping I can have a similar setup as what I've got there as far as M/D/F flexibility is concerned

Rucks : Gone huge here, looking to avoid sideways trading. After checking out Stef Martins stats vs other rucks, he's basically a clearance midfielder. Averages over 20 disposals, 5 clearances and 6 marks a game. 91% TOG, 31 hitouts and Berger has gone. I've never felt more confident locking in a ruck regardless of price since Cox, so Goldstein is good to go. Max King gives use of any premium I want as a VC loophole option. Plays Sunday more often than not, and has R/F eligibility just in case I need it later in the season.

Forwards : Martin hasn't left my team, rarely does. I think everyone is waiting for him to take that extra step though. Dahlhaus running at 66% efficiency and 82% TOG has room to improve. I feel like his contested ball count may drop a touch this year due to Libba returning, but will hopefully free him up to increase his efficiency and lift his TOG%. Barlow at that price with M/F is good value considering his previous 110/111PPG seasons. Had a shocker of a year last year and still returned 93 average. He is the one I'm the most wary about though, so I'll be watching with a keen eye over the NAB. Backing Toby Greene to take the next step this year. It has a Luke Parker 2014 feeling about it. :D

Thanks for reading, looking forward to some feedback and structural advice. I only have $600 left with this draft, I have a habit of spending every dollar I can in draft teams :rolleyes:
Looks like to me you've invested considerable research and deliberation into this draft of your team...and it certainly shows!

Love the way you've thought through the selection of your keepers and the structure is fine...just trust your research and instinct on a couple of those selections. This is scaringly very similar to one of my version where we only have 3 different keepers...that could be a good or bad thing?

All that's left to say is sit back and enjoy the NAB matches as I think there's not much for you to tinker with that team.
 
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Take 2.

Pure GnR strategy. 13 keepers (potentially 14 with Libba). Any feedback much appreciated.


REM. SALARY CAP

$15,100

Defenders:
Jarrad McVeigh [SYD] [MID] ($542,600)
Kade Simpson [CAR] ($500,200)
Jimmy Bartel [GEE] [MID] ($470,400)
Mitch Brown [ESS] [FWD] ($117,300)
Samuel Collins [FRE] ($117,300)
Bailey Rice [STK] ($117,300)
Marcus Adams [WBD] [FWD] ($117,300)
Kieran Collins [WBD] ($117,300)

Midfielders:
Nat Fyfe [FRE] ($670,600)
Patrick Dangerfield [GEE] ($647,000)
Scott Pendlebury [COL] ($627,200)
Gary Ablett [GCS] ($623,200)
Tom Rockliff [BRL] ($550,100)
Tom Liberatore [WBD] ($357,300)
Darcy Parish [ESS] ($202,800)
Kieran Lovell [HAW] ($126,300)
Dean Gore [ADE] ($123,900)
Rhys Mathieson [BRL] ($117,300)
Josh Dunkley [WBD] ($117,300)

Rucks:
Todd Goldstein [NTH] ($695,100)
Stefan Martin [BRL] ($597,600)
Luke Goetz [WBD] ($102,400)

Forwards:
Brett Deledio [RIC] ($608,800)
Luke Dahlhaus [WBD] [MID] ($563,600)
Dayne Zorko [BRL] [MID] ($543,000)
Sam Kerridge [CAR] [MID] ($137,600)
Paul Ahern [GWS] [MID] ($123,900)
Christian Petracca [MEL] [MID] ($123,900)
Nick Kommer [ESS] ($123,900)
Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti [ESS] [DEF] ($102,400)
 
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Slip,

Nice side, sound for sure and will be top 20% but being the POD fan I am, too cookie cutter for mine.

DEF: Dads Army like mine, but am guessing at 3 0 5 it's meant to free up cash for the mids.
MIDS: Gun, and if they fire to average then you're off to a great start. Implicitly though there is no room there for breakouts and dark horses.
RUCKS: No comment, set & forget speaks for itself (caveat Rowsus research, rucks never repeat)
FWDS: Seems like you've trimmed a bit here to allow for your gun midfield. Similar to backs. No issue with that, just hope you pick the right rookies.

Overall classic G&R strategy. Hard to find fault with it at all but as long as you go in eyes wide open you surely must realise that there will be plenty of similar teams.

I'm a mug punter myself who can't resist the lure of PODs, mid pricers and outright punts, which is why I'm generally 30,000th or thereabouts. I would back you above me with this side.
 

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15 keepers side!

D: Boyd, McVeigh, Bartel, Birchall, M.Brown, M.Hartley (K.Collins, A.Morgan)
M: Danger, Ablett, Pendles, Rocky, Wines, Freeman, Petracca, Gore (Wagner, Keays, Mathieson)
R: Goldstein, Tippett (Loersch (R/F))
F: Martin, Roughead, Zerrett, Greene, Kerridge, Kommer (Markov, Tippa)

Bank: $19k

Pros: 15 keepers/7 upgrades needed.
Cons: Potential "list cloggers" if fwd line value picks Zerrett, Greene, Tippett (when switched) don't become keepers.
Only $19k in bank, might miss cash cow options.
 
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Version 2:

DEF: McVeigh (M), Simpson, Bartel (M), B.Smith, M. Brown (F), N.Drummond (S. Collins, K,Collins)
MID: Pendles, GAJ, JPK, Rockliff, Libba, B.Crouch, Parish, Gore (Morabito, Lovell, Hiscox (F))
RUC: S.Martin, Lobbe (M.King (F))
FWD: D.Martin (M), Zorko (M), Barlow (M), Boomer, Wells, Petracca (Kerridge (M), MacDonald-Tipungwuti (D))

Few changes from Version 1:

- Fyfe out - until he proves fitness. Brought in JPK (super solid and rarely misses games).
- With that spare cash, upgraded N.Mal to Simpson. Now I have 3 old stayers. Looking for consistency from all of them.
- Brought Hiscox into the mids for M/F link.
- Whitecross swapped for K. Collins and Drummond in for Hartley (this one may change when teams are known for Round 1 + watching NAB form)
- Franklin out for Zorko...but now I'm not sure if the extra 90k is worth it initially. He's a pretty consistent scorer with less risk associated with him than Buddy...but would like to hear thoughts.
Version 3. What do you think guys?

DEF: Boyd, McVeigh (M), Simpson, Bartel (M), M.Brown (F), S.Collins (K.Collins, M, Hartley)
MID: Pendles, Ablett, Hannebery, Rockliff, Libba, B.Crouch, Lovell, Gore (Morabito, Jansen, Hiscox (F))
RUC: S. Martin, Lobbe (M.King (F))
FWD: D. Martin (M), Dahlhaus (M), Barlow (M), Boomer, Wells (M)*, Kerridge (M), Kommer (Petracca (M), McDonald-Tippungwuti)

WarChest: $36,500

I've put KEEPERS in bold and underlined "potential keepers"

My * is Wells. Want to see how he goes in the NAB Cup. If he's fit I believe he can average at least 85 if not more. If he has a poor NAB he becomes a rookie basically = more in the WarChest :)
 
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Am liking the term 'list clogger', coined by Hondo I think.
The Wines type at that awkward price who doesn't reach expectations but you are stuck with.
 
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Coming around to that thinking myself, between Hondo's term and Thanh's "Top 6". Also very tempted to drop Libba, which turns Selwood, Wines, Libba into Danger and Fyfe.
 

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Wines and list clogger should never be mentioned in the same sentence!

Toumpas on the other hand..
 
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It's a balance, right? If I start with GAJ, Pendles, Fyfe, Danger and Rocky, I have to find 3 in good form to fill mids. If I start with e.g. Wines and Libba, I have to hope they are 2 of the 3 that find good form.
 
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