Rucks Discussion

[Lenny5]

I feel Goldstein is in for a massive year as single ruckman, just trying to spare cash to fit him in is the tough thing. Will be a lot of people upgrading to him mid-season I reckon. I think with rucks you don't want to be tinkering around too much and so starting with Sandilands, whilst it could pay off, if he gets injured it makes for an annoying trade because there's usually always others you want to make.

612K is a lot for a ruckman but my gut feel says he is going to tear it about this season. Will hopefully start with him and Lobbe who I'm also a big fan of.

 

[Thruthesticks]

Grundy v Sandilands

If Sandi ( and that's a big if ) can last a full season you will have picked up a very cheap No2 . In Grundy we have imo a young superstar in the making , however in 2014 probably won't be keeper material and will require upgrading .

So my choice Sandilands . Ofcourse it would be wise to have a decent No3 backup for his inevitable rests

 

[BigRuss]

You just can't trust Sandi plain and simple. Never been the same since the first turf toe, and in my opinion never will be.

Even so I think his scoring is limited by the ruck rules introduced last year. Can no longer block opposition from the contest like he used to.

Will be very surprised if he is top 5 in Average & Total points this year.

Never under consideration for my team. Rucks are the last place to take risks in my opinion.

 

[Thruthesticks]

Set and forget with an eye on value is the way I'm looking at the moment . Not long till the preseason games begin

 

[Blacky Rules]

Grundy,Sandi and Leuy all just about locked in for me certainly 2/3

 

[IDIG]

NicNat and Sandi for me with the plan to upgrade Sandi to Minson/Goldy when (if) the moons align throughout the byes.

Grundy has that tough start to the year as well as a round 8 bye which makes him less appealing a prospect for me.

 

[Dynamo]

Anyone have an opinion on Melbourne's starting ruck.
Is it jamar, spencer or gawn?

 

[soidog]

It's a chook raffle at Melbourne, Dynamo. Training reports are sketchy with the Aus Open on so they're mainly training at Casey Fields, but Jamar and Gawn are apparently on modified schedules. How far away from full training they are, I'm not sure. If the season opener was tomorrow or next week, probably Spencer would be the R1.

 

[Dynamo]

It's a chook raffle at Melbourne, Dynamo. Training reports are sketchy with the Aus Open on so they're mainly training at Casey Fields, but Jamar and Gawn are apparently on modified schedules. How far away from full training they are, I'm not sure. If the season opener was tomorrow or next week, probably Spencer would be the R1.

Cheers Soidog, was wondering which one to draft. Ended up going with spencer. See how we go when the season starts.

 

[Courtesans]

Sandi v Grundy poll. It is a matter of what one might do compared to what the other could do.

 

[IDIG]

Sandi v Grundy poll. It is a matter of what one might do compared to what the other could do.

Yep true Courtesans. I think if you were planning to keep him as long as possible it would have to be Grundy (esp with a round 8 bye).

I think most would agree, Sandi is no chance to be a long term prospect but maybe while Griffen and Clarke are getting back into the swing of things, Freo will have no choice but to play him without the thought of a vesting. I think 100 average and 9 games would be a ripping result with Sandi. Not sure how realistic that is though..

 

[TeeButOne]

I came across a comment from last year's winner (DimmaWits), regarding ruck structure, and the suggestion was the following:

R1: Grundy
R2: McIntosh
R3: Sandilands
R4: Nankervis

I imagine the theory being that it's costing you no more than a standard structure of R1 PREM, R2 DISCOUNT, R3 ROOKIE, R4 ROOKIE, but this way you get the added bonus of extra cash generation, and you get your backup for either Sandilands or McIntosh (should either of them fall over early).

That was the one concern I had about using Sandilands or McIntosh ... if they go down early, you can't afford to get someone decent back in (unless you sit on a sizeable chunk of cash at the start of the season).

The other potential positive would be that, assuming your R4 doesn't play (much), you could regularly take advantage of the EMG loophole in the rucks.

Only major downside I can see is the whole "Stepping Stone" theory, and the fact that you'd be burning up extra trades (as you wouldn't want to be keeping any of Grundy, Sandilands or McIntosh long-term).

Thoughts?

P.S. Not taking credit for his musings, just wanted to get the input of the wider SCS community.

 

[Rowsus]

There have been a few of us float the idea of using a cheap/bargain R2 and a Longer/Hickey type at R3 for loopholing and back up. Some people think it's putting too much money on your bench, others see it as a sensible way around this years Ruck dilemmas. There's no right or wrong answer, just what you think is best for your team.

 

[IDIG]

I came across a comment from last year's winner (DimmaWits), regarding ruck structure, and the suggestion was the following:

R1: Grundy
R2: McIntosh
R3: Sandilands
R4: Nankervis

I imagine the theory being that it's costing you no more than a standard structure of R1 PREM, R2 DISCOUNT, R3 ROOKIE, R4 ROOKIE, but this way you get the added bonus of extra cash generation, and you get your backup for either Sandilands or McIntosh (should either of them fall over early).

That was the one concern I had about using Sandilands or McIntosh ... if they go down early, you can't afford to get someone decent back in (unless you sit on a sizeable chunk of cash at the start of the season).

The other potential positive would be that, assuming your R4 doesn't play (much), you could regularly take advantage of the EMG loophole in the rucks.

Only major downside I can see is the whole "Stepping Stone" theory, and the fact that you'd be burning up extra trades (as you wouldn't want to be keeping any of Grundy, Sandilands or McIntosh long-term).

Thoughts?

P.S. Not taking credit for his musings, just wanted to get the input of the wider SCS community.

Good pick up there.

I've bolded the part that jumped out at me when I first read your post. Loopholing mid pricers is not a terrible idea i guess, especially if you think the NicNat and Maric's of the world might take a few weeks/months to get back into the swing of things.

Personally not for me but if HMac is up and about round 1 i'll find it hard not to start with both him and Sandi. Not sure about R3 as well though. I like my points (money spent) on the ground.

 

[TeeButOne]

I think the difference with this suggestion is that it's using a bargain R1 AND bargain R2, as well as a cheap R3, so in theory not costing any more than a standard PREM, CHEAP, ROOK, ROOK.

 

[TeeButOne]

Good pick up there.

I've bolded the part that jumped out at me when I first read your post. Loopholing mid pricers is not a terrible idea i guess, especially if you think the NicNat and Maric's of the world might take a few weeks/months to get back into the swing of things.

Personally not for me but if HMac is up and about round 1 i'll find it hard not to start with both him and Sandi. Not sure about R3 as well though. I like my points (money spent) on the ground.

I agree about not wanting to waste $$$ on the bench, but again, unless you've got a F/R swing, if either of Sandilands or McIntosh goes down early (i.e.: before making money), you won't be able to trade them out for anyone decent (unless you THEN decide to get the likes of Grundy, Longer, Hickey, etc.).

 

[Creeker]

I came across a comment from last year's winner (DimmaWits), regarding ruck structure, and the suggestion was the following:

R1: Grundy
R2: McIntosh
R3: Sandilands
R4: Nankervis

I imagine the theory being that it's costing you no more than a standard structure of R1 PREM, R2 DISCOUNT, R3 ROOKIE, R4 ROOKIE, but this way you get the added bonus of extra cash generation, and you get your backup for either Sandilands or McIntosh (should either of them fall over early).

That was the one concern I had about using Sandilands or McIntosh ... if they go down early, you can't afford to get someone decent back in (unless you sit on a sizeable chunk of cash at the start of the season).

The other potential positive would be that, assuming your R4 doesn't play (much), you could regularly take advantage of the EMG loophole in the rucks.

Only major downside I can see is the whole "Stepping Stone" theory, and the fact that you'd be burning up extra trades (as you wouldn't want to be keeping any of Grundy, Sandilands or McIntosh long-term).

Thoughts?

P.S. Not taking credit for his musings, just wanted to get the input of the wider SCS community.

Interesting situation.
One of the teams I have written down, the rucks are. 1 H Mac, 2 Hickey, 3 Sandilands, 4 Nankervis.

Theory being. H Mac wasn't recruited by the cats to play VFL. Has averaged 100 before and not sure, but think has made the All Australian team. Hickey should now be no 1 ruck with the saints with McEvoy no longer there. Sandilands is so hard to pass on with his price.
If, (BIG IF) H Mac and Sandi get off to a good start to the season, it could pay off. Would be looking to off load around the bye rounds. All 3 should make some good money.
Just a theory at this stage, VERY RISKY, and honestly don't think I could go through with it.
Will be very interested so see how all 3 go with there pre seasons.

 

[IDIG]

I agree about not wanting to waste $$$ on the bench, but again, unless you've got a F/R swing, if either of Sandilands or McIntosh goes down early (i.e.: before making money), you won't be able to trade them out for anyone decent (unless you THEN decide to get the likes of Grundy, Longer, Hickey, etc.).

Yeah that's true. I couldn't imagine anything worse from going failed mid pricer to failed mid pricer to eventually double trading to go GnR

Then again I went failed premium to failed premium to failed premium last year...lol

 

[Damoz]

Yeah that's true. I couldn't imagine anything worse from going failed mid pricer to failed mid pricer to eventually double trading to go GnR

Then again I went failed premium to failed premium to failed premium last year...lol

I remember Boyd being one. Haha

 

[Thruthesticks]

Yeah that's true. I couldn't imagine anything worse from going failed mid pricer to failed mid pricer to eventually double trading to go GnR

Then again I went failed premium to failed premium to failed premium last year...lol

I'm hearing you . A few years ago I had Sandilands injured then traded to Hille who got injured the following week.
Wasn't a happy supercoacher.