Strategy Round 2: Trades

[Hondo]

From hoping for no trades at the start of the topic to 2 trades now. Pretty much locking in the following:

Rowell to Dusty
Henry to Jordon

I think I have at least 2 likely correction trades needed next round, and I don't see Henry playing again any time soon. Jordon is the main rookie I have missed, so that trade was easy (banking on Jordon getting named...). Most mids in that price are a bit risky, (although there are a few I like the look of) and I didn't particularly want to swing one of my DPPs forward to cover the other trade, so Dusty got the gig for the injured Rowell. My team is risky enough already, and yes I know Dusty is up and down too - everything seems to point to him having a good year though.

I'll see if I feel the same way after work...

Do you really expect two more rookie corrections next round? Because pre round 1 I thought the consensus was Jordan was getting more opportunity with viney missing.

Now after one game and a 78 without Viney he appears as the must get rookie. So did Bailey Scott after a 100 in his first game. He played about 2 more games for that season.

I think unless you have burning other rookie issues, giving yourself that one extra week to assess all the rookies might be a good idea.

 

[gutsroy]

Tom Mitchell analysis, very interesting and topical.
Originally posted in the wrong thread, sorry..

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1374806088587964416

 

[Juzzo]

If I go Danger to Ziebell, he would be my F4, leaving $371,100 in kitty. Should I be using this left over cash?
I have a rookie ruck line (Flyntereek), J Clark F6, Cripps M5. Only rookie missing from what I can see is JordOn.
Thoughts appreciated.

 

[Game of Sloanes]

No. Since the 2017 season his starts have been mixed. 2020 4 of first 6 games sub 95, 2019 3 of 6, 2018 3 of 6. He also goes missing in streaks for 4 games in a row or maybe 1 ton in 5 or 6 games. This gives you the opportunity to pick him up at a reasonable price at least once or twice during the season. He often "wakes up" in the second half of the season when things get serious. Mind you when he is on he can go really big and is fabulous to watch.

I think we all need to take into account that Dusty is not hungover this year from annual his Vegas trip. A fit and motivated Dusty is a Brownlow medalist anywhere, the guy could win the Coleman if he wanted too as well..
Hopefully he has snapped this slow startin martin trend and can go on with a few big scores in the next few rounds and show that he is in for a huge season and isn't satisfied with just winning 3 flags

 

[Ironhawk]

Do you really expect two more rookie corrections next round? Because pre round 1 I thought the consensus was Jordan was getting more opportunity with viney missing.

Now after one game and a 78 without Viney he appears as the must get rookie. So did Bailey Scott after a 100 in his first game. He played about 2 more games for that season.

I think unless you have burning other rookie issues, giving yourself that one extra week to assess all the rookies might be a good idea.

Nah, more so speculative mid pricers not getting the roles I thought they might. Rookies are fine now - hopefully.

 

[Darkie]

If I go Danger to Ziebell, he would be my F4, leaving $371,100 in kitty. Should I be using this left over cash?
I have a rookie ruck line (Flyntereek), J Clark F6, Cripps M5. Only rookie missing from what I can see is JordOn.
Thoughts appreciated.

So long as the cash isn’t sitting there for weeks and weeks, I think it’s fine.

Extra information can be extremely valuable at this time of year, and we really only get that through the passage of time.

Some Danger owners are looking at parking a much larger sum on the bench for 3 weeks.

 

[Darkie]

This was what Chris Scott said when asked why Danger was played forward:

“Because he’s a really good forward, because he can’t play the whole game on-ball, because he wants to play there and because we have a bit of information that other people don’t have that we choose not to disclose,” was Scott’s response.

Does anyone else find that last part strange/somewhat concerning?

For me this is probably the kicker that pushes me to trade him out, with 3 weeks otherwise looking a bit lineball for a potential F1.

https://amp.theage.com.au/sport/afl...sty-collision-says-scott-20210320-p57ck0.html

 

[Spifflicator]

If I go Danger to Ziebell, he would be my F4, leaving $371,100 in kitty. Should I be using this left over cash?
I have a rookie ruck line (Flyntereek), J Clark F6, Cripps M5. Only rookie missing from what I can see is JordOn.
Thoughts appreciated.

I like it Juzzo. Ziebell makes a very solid F4 IMO, and you can use the extra cash to get an Uber premo on another line earlier than most. You will also have the cash to potentially upgrade in the Ruck if things go sideways. Nice move

 

[Rickwood]

I think we all need to take into account that Dusty is not hungover this year from annual his Vegas trip. A fit and motivated Dusty is a Brownlow medalist anywhere, the guy could win the Coleman if he wanted too as well..
Hopefully he has snapped this slow startin martin trend and can go on with a few big scores in the next few rounds and show that he is in for a huge season and isn't satisfied with just winning 3 flags

I feel far too much is being put into this "he didn't have a Vegas trip".

He could be the greatest individual player this year, BUT, like all at our club he does the team thing to get the job done.
There was a lot to learn from the 2018 season where Richmond pumped the opposition in the praccy matches (87 and 70 points) and peaked far too early.

There is a bit of Rd 1 excitement every year "to play in Carlton's Grand Final" and Carlton brought a serious game plan last week. Dustin jumped out of the gates well as he has done most years.

I really hope he keeps it going but my sense is he just does what he needs to do and contributes to the team game.

I'll readily admit to having a bias, but it's the opposite of what you think. I love watching him play and contribute to my team but I try not to pick Richmond players unless it makes sense ( at the moment Dustin is not in my team - He will be at some time if/when the price is right).

Hope he proves me wrong and all with him in their team get vindicated though

 

[Grundogging]

Do you really expect two more rookie corrections next round? Because pre round 1 I thought the consensus was Jordan was getting more opportunity with viney missing.

Now after one game and a 78 without Viney he appears as the must get rookie. So did Bailey Scott after a 100 in his first game. He played about 2 more games for that season.

I think unless you have burning other rookie issues, giving yourself that one extra week to assess all the rookies might be a good idea.

Does Harmes being out for 6 weeks on top of his week 1 performance change the perspective on Jordon a little?

Given that I'm also missing Gulden I think I might bypass Jordon next week as I have pretty much every one else I want, but for those who need that rookie correction I would have thought the development with Harmes being out would have been a positive one?

 

[Meltingpot38]

My trades seem obvious and fairly forced

Danger > Dusty
O Henry > J Jordan (via Brockman DPP)

Premo correction and rookie correction.

 

[Peter56]

Danger going for 3 weeks is causing me some grief in terms of what to do:

Like for like and go dusty.

Go to Mitchel who will average more than dusty but leave me with only 1 premo forward.

Keep him and have a POD in 3 weeks. Save a trade

Honestly dont even have a gut feel for what is better at the moment

Going through exactly the same thoughts.

At the moment I have Grundy as my VC and Dangerfield as my C with 0ne of the E's on Dow. If Grundy scores 120 then I have won. If not consider trading Dangerfield. One week is just not enough info to get it 100% right.

 

[scarfaceclaw]

I didnt see Geelong play but Danger attended 74% of CBA's. Those are midfielder numbers?

 

[Crowls]

I think we all need to take into account that Dusty is not hungover this year from annual his Vegas trip. A fit and motivated Dusty is a Brownlow medalist anywhere, the guy could win the Coleman if he wanted too as well..
Hopefully he has snapped this slow startin martin trend and can go on with a few big scores in the next few rounds and show that he is in for a huge season and isn't satisfied with just winning 3 flags

Two ways of looking at Dusty,

One go with demonstrated behaviour and experience. he will have some down games and we will get 1-2 chances to pick him up cheap. (This is the approach those who didn't start him took preseason)

Two, Dusty has found new maturity and focus and amended his attitude and supporting behaviours sufficiently to see him optimise his god given talent. All the feedback around the club, media and himself is this situation.
Both are possible, which is more likely?

 

[Crowls]

Going through exactly the same thoughts.

At the moment I have Grundy as my VC and Dangerfield as my C with 0ne of the E's on Dow. If Grundy scores 120 then I have won. If not consider trading Dangerfield. One week is just not enough info to get it 100% right.

Similar approach except I have VC on Walsh. current thoughts are to not trade Danger but will keep options open.

 

[Rickwood]

Two ways of looking at Dusty,

One go with demonstrated behaviour and experience. he will have some down games and we will get 1-2 chances to pick him up cheap. (This is the approach those who didn't start him took preseason)

Two, Dusty has found new maturity and focus and amended his attitude and supporting behaviours sufficiently to see him optimise his god given talent. All the feedback around the club, media and himself is this situation.
Both are possible, which is more likely?

Feel ya

just checking my crystal ball now

Again bias plays a part here as I have had him in my team in recent years

 

[nath_99]

Don’t forget Danger up fwd is still friendly SC. I remember a game against someone where he was injured in the 1st quarter, then they stuck him in the fwd line and he kicked 5 goals. Still scored over 120 points

 

[Grundogging]

I feel far too much is being put into this "he didn't have a Vegas trip".

He could be the greatest individual player this year, BUT, like all at our club he does the team thing to get the job done.
There was a lot to learn from the 2018 season where Richmond pumped the opposition in the praccy matches (87 and 70 points) and peaked far too early.

There is a bit of Rd 1 excitement every year "to play in Carlton's Grand Final" and Carlton brought a serious game plan last week. Dustin jumped out of the gates well as he has done most years.

I really hope he keeps it going but my sense is he just does what he needs to do and contributes to the team game.

I'll readily admit to having a bias, but it's the opposite of what you think. I love watching him play and contribute to my team but I try not to pick Richmond players unless it makes sense ( at the moment Dustin is not in my team - He will be at some time if/when the price is right).

Hope he proves me wrong and all with him in their team get vindicated though

I put far more into the coach's testimony that Dusty has been working hard on his fitness and endurance over the summer and (paraphrasing) is running on top of the ground better than he almost ever has.

He's apparently also taken on more of an (unofficial) leadership role and is more vocal around the club and out on the ground according to more recent discussion, so maybe he has taken a step from being the amazing but at times inconsistent player he has been to something that is a bit more consistent to set an example for the younger kids at the club now that he's entering his latter years and experienced plenty of premiership success?

 

[Grundogging]

Going through exactly the same thoughts.

At the moment I have Grundy as my VC and Dangerfield as my C with 0ne of the E's on Dow. If Grundy scores 120 then I have won. If not consider trading Dangerfield. One week is just not enough info to get it 100% right.

If you wait a week and only have two weeks left until he returns then doesn't that invalidate a Dangerfield trade in round 3 somewhat?

I would have thought you'd either trade him now or hang onto him as a POD and save yourself a trade for an upgrade elsewhere with probably not much middle ground in there?

 

[PC]

Don’t forget Danger up fwd is still friendly SC. I remember a game against someone where he was injured in the 1st quarter, then they stuck him in the fwd line and he kicked 5 goals. Still scored over 120 points

It was against the Hawks and it was bull****