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Brisbane's grand strategy to tank for draft picks................why else would you take Neale out of the engine room.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/705619/brownlow-mid-set-for-switch-lions-plotting-new-look-engine-room
I take away:
Lyons - wasn't looking at him before, must be on the do not touch list
Neale - ranked 3rd for CBA across comp at 81%, what does this come down to. 65%? wing may be ok, fwd is like the Freo days.
Bailey - should he be talked about more.
Coleman - locked in the backline, is this HBF or back pocket. big difference. would like to see preseason game with Rich, Zorko and Coleman playing.
Berry - more mid time guessing would be a bonus.
Rayner - sounds like has role, does he have scoring capacity to match his price plus $150k.
any thought welcome.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/705619/brownlow-mid-set-for-switch-lions-plotting-new-look-engine-room
I take away:
Lyons - wasn't looking at him before, must be on the do not touch list
Neale - ranked 3rd for CBA across comp at 81%, what does this come down to. 65%? wing may be ok, fwd is like the Freo days.
Bailey - should he be talked about more.
Coleman - locked in the backline, is this HBF or back pocket. big difference. would like to see preseason game with Rich, Zorko and Coleman playing.
Berry - more mid time guessing would be a bonus.
Rayner - sounds like has role, does he have scoring capacity to match his price plus $150k.
any thought welcome.
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I don't think the article has all the facts just yet, but I'd like to be hearing a bit more about his role. The statement "The running player. The fast outside mids, typically out on a wing, who can also pinch hit on-ball. Recruit Pat Lipinski is this quick, versatile, hard-running onballer" is just confusing as hell. These guys pinch hit on ball but he's an on baller?
He came to the club to be an inside mid and told a tracker watcher he'd be playing mostly inside mid. If CBAs are over 60% and he looks good on the inside, I'll still consider him. He has already cracked 80 twice with sub 20% cbas.
This puff stuff comes out in preseason a lot, it theory its great but the best teams have their best midfielders playing mostly midfield. That all being said it still leaves question marks on a lot of guys which does make me think to avoid the whole gang, especially with a whole new game plan.
He came to the club to be an inside mid and told a tracker watcher he'd be playing mostly inside mid. If CBAs are over 60% and he looks good on the inside, I'll still consider him. He has already cracked 80 twice with sub 20% cbas.
This puff stuff comes out in preseason a lot, it theory its great but the best teams have their best midfielders playing mostly midfield. That all being said it still leaves question marks on a lot of guys which does make me think to avoid the whole gang, especially with a whole new game plan.
From CJohns Blitzer - today's training. (Ess v WB on Friday at Hangar FYI)
"I was not at training but relaying friends notes who was there
Shiel, Langford, Eyre and Jones completed full training. Lord, Phillips and Stringer did not train but Stringer was on sidelines getting various massages. Baldwin and Stewart also completed full training despite some injury rumours and Kaine in the rehab group Saturday.
Walla, Voss, Hurley and Reid doing rehab group drills and running. Reid and Hurley completing much bigger running patterns now…doing laps on both ovals. Voss was only kicking on the his left foot today so it might be an issue with right foot? Unsure myself on his injury.
Again heavy drills on defensive actions across the team…they really want to get this part of their game at a much more mature level. Finished with lits of gola kicking practice…this has been the most goal kicking practice we have done this pre season since I have been watching last 5 years.
General health of the group at its best point for quite a few years leading to round 1 tbh."
"I was not at training but relaying friends notes who was there
Shiel, Langford, Eyre and Jones completed full training. Lord, Phillips and Stringer did not train but Stringer was on sidelines getting various massages. Baldwin and Stewart also completed full training despite some injury rumours and Kaine in the rehab group Saturday.
Walla, Voss, Hurley and Reid doing rehab group drills and running. Reid and Hurley completing much bigger running patterns now…doing laps on both ovals. Voss was only kicking on the his left foot today so it might be an issue with right foot? Unsure myself on his injury.
Again heavy drills on defensive actions across the team…they really want to get this part of their game at a much more mature level. Finished with lits of gola kicking practice…this has been the most goal kicking practice we have done this pre season since I have been watching last 5 years.
General health of the group at its best point for quite a few years leading to round 1 tbh."
Starcevich is the one that locks down on the opposition's most dangerous small fwd for Bris, they will want to get the ball to either Rich with his lethal kicking or Coleman to provide the run & carry - very noticeable that they really lacked "bounce" coming out of defence last year, with Coleman effectively taking Birchall's spot I think the potential is there for him to score very well. These days the players constantly changing positions in terms of playing deep or high, in Brisbane's case I think the important part is they have a very effective small defender to play a negating role thus allowing the likes of Rich/Coleman to play a proactive/attacking role which is great for SC with the half back/ rebounding defender role being such a lucrative scoring position. We saw how well Impey/CJ/Hall/Ziebell/etc scored last season playing in that type of role.
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With his durability track record really needs to be in a position where I can project that 110 ceiling for him and this role isn't it. Just isn't the value for the downside of that role for mine either.
Don't know about that, the Demons just won a flag with just about the most settled midfield group and the least extra options types of anyone. Tigers also used the same group.
Heck even the Dogs are remarkably consistent in who goes through there, albeit Treloar and Dunkley switched places when Dunkley got hurt but it was mostly a heavy dose of Macrae, Bont and Libba with Dunkley and then Treloar roaming through and Smith and Hunter on the wings.
I don't think it hurts Neale too much as a pick unless he's completely out of the midfield mix. Simple fact is he's been a ~110+ guy for a long time and even if he's not the 130+ guy a solid 110-115 from his starting price would do the trick.
Will be interesting watching though. Definitely makes all of Berry, Clug, Rayner and Bailey a lot more interesting.
My expectation was Zorko out the most for those guys and with him not mentioned at all from what I could tell that seems likely. Lyons getting less also makes sense for guys with a bit more dynamic skill sets. Neale though doesn't really make sense to me.
Definitely a nice spanner to throw out there though. Neale is probably in that Dunkley category though. Will be super popular and if he does have his role, and let's be honest coaches pull this stunt every year then they start losing the clearances and it's all done, his ceiling is terribly damaging if you don't have him. Kind of guy that the risk/reward for not taking him is significantly worse than taking him.
And yes, you could have made the exact same case for Cripps last year
Don't know about that, the Demons just won a flag with just about the most settled midfield group and the least extra options types of anyone. Tigers also used the same group.
Heck even the Dogs are remarkably consistent in who goes through there, albeit Treloar and Dunkley switched places when Dunkley got hurt but it was mostly a heavy dose of Macrae, Bont and Libba with Dunkley and then Treloar roaming through and Smith and Hunter on the wings.
I don't think it hurts Neale too much as a pick unless he's completely out of the midfield mix. Simple fact is he's been a ~110+ guy for a long time and even if he's not the 130+ guy a solid 110-115 from his starting price would do the trick.
Will be interesting watching though. Definitely makes all of Berry, Clug, Rayner and Bailey a lot more interesting.
My expectation was Zorko out the most for those guys and with him not mentioned at all from what I could tell that seems likely. Lyons getting less also makes sense for guys with a bit more dynamic skill sets. Neale though doesn't really make sense to me.
Definitely a nice spanner to throw out there though. Neale is probably in that Dunkley category though. Will be super popular and if he does have his role, and let's be honest coaches pull this stunt every year then they start losing the clearances and it's all done, his ceiling is terribly damaging if you don't have him. Kind of guy that the risk/reward for not taking him is significantly worse than taking him.
And yes, you could have made the exact same case for Cripps last year
With his durability track record really needs to be in a position where I can project that 110 ceiling for him and this role isn't it. Just isn't the value for the downside of that role for mine either.
Don't know about that, the Demons just won a flag with just about the most settled midfield group and the least extra options types of anyone. Tigers also used the same group.
Heck even the Dogs are remarkably consistent in who goes through there, albeit Treloar and Dunkley switched places when Dunkley got hurt but it was mostly a heavy dose of Macrae, Bont and Libba with Dunkley and then Treloar roaming through and Smith and Hunter on the wings.
I don't think it hurts Neale too much as a pick unless he's completely out of the midfield mix. Simple fact is he's been a ~110+ guy for a long time and even if he's not the 130+ guy a solid 110-115 from his starting price would do the trick.
Will be interesting watching though. Definitely makes all of Berry, Clug, Rayner and Bailey a lot more interesting.
My expectation was Zorko out the most for those guys and with him not mentioned at all from what I could tell that seems likely. Lyons getting less also makes sense for guys with a bit more dynamic skill sets. Neale though doesn't really make sense to me.
Definitely a nice spanner to throw out there though. Neale is probably in that Dunkley category though. Will be super popular and if he does have his role, and let's be honest coaches pull this stunt every year then they start losing the clearances and it's all done, his ceiling is terribly damaging if you don't have him. Kind of guy that the risk/reward for not taking him is significantly worse than taking him.
And yes, you could have made the exact same case for Cripps last year
Don't know about that, the Demons just won a flag with just about the most settled midfield group and the least extra options types of anyone. Tigers also used the same group.
Heck even the Dogs are remarkably consistent in who goes through there, albeit Treloar and Dunkley switched places when Dunkley got hurt but it was mostly a heavy dose of Macrae, Bont and Libba with Dunkley and then Treloar roaming through and Smith and Hunter on the wings.
I don't think it hurts Neale too much as a pick unless he's completely out of the midfield mix. Simple fact is he's been a ~110+ guy for a long time and even if he's not the 130+ guy a solid 110-115 from his starting price would do the trick.
Will be interesting watching though. Definitely makes all of Berry, Clug, Rayner and Bailey a lot more interesting.
My expectation was Zorko out the most for those guys and with him not mentioned at all from what I could tell that seems likely. Lyons getting less also makes sense for guys with a bit more dynamic skill sets. Neale though doesn't really make sense to me.
Definitely a nice spanner to throw out there though. Neale is probably in that Dunkley category though. Will be super popular and if he does have his role, and let's be honest coaches pull this stunt every year then they start losing the clearances and it's all done, his ceiling is terribly damaging if you don't have him. Kind of guy that the risk/reward for not taking him is significantly worse than taking him.
And yes, you could have made the exact same case for Cripps last year
If it doesn't look like improving , revert back to tried and true.
Do it the right way you never know how good a few of these next in line players might be.
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Whenever a coach starts talking about that many positional changes in the preseason it starts to sound like bulls**t. Wouldn't be surprised if the next thing we hear is Danniher at full back and Cameron in the ruck.
I get that they need to start thinking about post Zorko/Neale/Lyons, but you don't just throw them all out at the same time and start fresh. Zorko is the only one I can realistically see moving out this year, the other two are still in their 20's. Probably best to ignore everything coming out of Brisbane for now and just wait and see how they line up in the preseason matches, especially the last one.
I get that they need to start thinking about post Zorko/Neale/Lyons, but you don't just throw them all out at the same time and start fresh. Zorko is the only one I can realistically see moving out this year, the other two are still in their 20's. Probably best to ignore everything coming out of Brisbane for now and just wait and see how they line up in the preseason matches, especially the last one.
Probably won't cover as much depth as @wogitalia, but will share some quick notes on fantasy relevant players of the Collingwood intra club match:
N Daicos - The most prolific clearance player of the game (most of a receiver), not sure what that says about the quality of our midfield but he's looking like a Zac Merrett clone at this stage.
Crisp - Heavily, heavily involved in scoring/transition chains. Often gathered 2-3 possessions in the same play as others look to him to leverage his blistering pace to break lines. If his role continues, it will be a 30+ disposal average, 110 - 115 DT, 100 - 105 SC season.
Maynard - Started in defence, moved to the midfield at times. Strong rebound off half-back, looks capable as a midfielder, there were promising signs but I didn't see enough to justify the selection.
Dean - He was touted as a Jack Lever typing 3rd tall interceptor. Roughhead is injured yes, Dean's job security will increase yes. But Roughhead has always been a pure shutdown defender, and that is the role left vacant for Dean.
Macrae - Sloppy skills, but featured at many centre bounces. Game time is a worry, but I can see him averaging 70 - 75 which might justify his 200k ish starting price.
Sidebottom - Has always struggled as an inside mid, all his top scoring seasons were achieved from a wing. Played pure wing, and is in fact worth consideration now that I think about it. Has dropped below 94 once in the last 10 years (106, 103, 113, 104, 106, 96, 102, 94, 109, 87). Highly durable player, and if he settles in his natural role, why can't he average 100?
Pendlebury - Looked decent off half-back. My biggest problem is that he has carried the same team-first and selfless play style from his midfield days. And if anything his efficiency actually counts against him? HIGHLY effective kicks coming from defence (Caleb Daniel level), hits targets consistently on a wing/in the corridor. But this also means that you won't see Pendlebury being that Hall/Ziebell/Lloyd seagull off half-back, running to useless spots, chipping around endlessly without gaining metres, which is counter productive to the game, but is highly lucrative for Supercoach.
N Daicos - The most prolific clearance player of the game (most of a receiver), not sure what that says about the quality of our midfield but he's looking like a Zac Merrett clone at this stage.
Crisp - Heavily, heavily involved in scoring/transition chains. Often gathered 2-3 possessions in the same play as others look to him to leverage his blistering pace to break lines. If his role continues, it will be a 30+ disposal average, 110 - 115 DT, 100 - 105 SC season.
Maynard - Started in defence, moved to the midfield at times. Strong rebound off half-back, looks capable as a midfielder, there were promising signs but I didn't see enough to justify the selection.
Dean - He was touted as a Jack Lever typing 3rd tall interceptor. Roughhead is injured yes, Dean's job security will increase yes. But Roughhead has always been a pure shutdown defender, and that is the role left vacant for Dean.
Macrae - Sloppy skills, but featured at many centre bounces. Game time is a worry, but I can see him averaging 70 - 75 which might justify his 200k ish starting price.
Sidebottom - Has always struggled as an inside mid, all his top scoring seasons were achieved from a wing. Played pure wing, and is in fact worth consideration now that I think about it. Has dropped below 94 once in the last 10 years (106, 103, 113, 104, 106, 96, 102, 94, 109, 87). Highly durable player, and if he settles in his natural role, why can't he average 100?
Pendlebury - Looked decent off half-back. My biggest problem is that he has carried the same team-first and selfless play style from his midfield days. And if anything his efficiency actually counts against him? HIGHLY effective kicks coming from defence (Caleb Daniel level), hits targets consistently on a wing/in the corridor. But this also means that you won't see Pendlebury being that Hall/Ziebell/Lloyd seagull off half-back, running to useless spots, chipping around endlessly without gaining metres, which is counter productive to the game, but is highly lucrative for Supercoach.
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