Position 2022: Forward Discussion

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Interesting, assuming you are trying to highlight the lack of correlation between pre-season performance and actual output?

Mostly agree, although for speculative picks like Weller, you really want all the data you can get, regardless of the quality of information. And only if everything aligns perfectly in the player's favour, then you take a chance on him ahead of more proven players with clearly defined caveats for success (Treloar).
I also remember when Yeo had his breakout as a backman, I looked back at his preseason stats to see if there were any signs and they were completely underwhelming.
 
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3 GCS names that I remember smashing preseason games are Weller, Macpherson and Brodie...
Macpherson took advantage of an uncontested preseason match. It's so easy for the brain to start lighting up when we see SC with a big number next to it. If people had a free crack at their round 2 team a lot would trade half their players based on round 1 numbers.
I do think Weller is of interest because of the role though.
 
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The funniest part for me is that if I'd done this pre games and post games, it would actually be shorter as Steele, English and Bolton removed themselves from play with only really Taranto entering the fray :LOL:

Interesting, assuming you are trying to highlight the lack of correlation between pre-season performance and actual output?

Mostly agree, although for speculative picks like Weller, you really want all the data you can get, regardless of the quality of information. And only if everything aligns perfectly in the player's favour, then you take a chance on him ahead of more proven players with clearly defined caveats for success (Treloar).
My major concern with Weller is that he's played the role before and he wasn't getting to the 100 type range or even that close, albeit his 2nd year was pretty good. The big one is Lukosius and his role. I can handle Powell and Markov but if Luko is there as well, he's a major issue. We might get an answer this week but it seems very unlikely which means you're picking a guy in round one absent any kind of answer to the most important question. Swallow is also a concern, he did nothing in the game on the weekend but he's a quality player who will definitely steal kicks also but I don't think either of Swallow or Powell is enough to kill a 95+ season but throw Luko in and yeah...

I say this as someone who really rates him as a player and I do think he can score well enough but that concern is huge. The fact that Dew has not been overly fond of him or sticking with a position/role is another issue but not nearly as significant and they've added depth at the other positions he scores poorly in.
 
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The funniest part for me is that if I'd done this pre games and post games, it would actually be shorter as Steele, English and Bolton removed themselves from play with only really Taranto entering the fray :LOL:



My major concern with Weller is that he's played the role before and he wasn't getting to the 100 type range or even that close, albeit his 2nd year was pretty good. The big one is Lukosius and his role. I can handle Powell and Markov but if Luko is there as well, he's a major issue. We might get an answer this week but it seems very unlikely which means you're picking a guy in round one absent any kind of answer to the most important question. Swallow is also a concern, he did nothing in the game on the weekend but he's a quality player who will definitely steal kicks also but I don't think either of Swallow or Powell is enough to kill a 95+ season but throw Luko in and yeah...

I say this as someone who really rates him as a player and I do think he can score well enough but that concern is huge. The fact that Dew has not been overly fond of him or sticking with a position/role is another issue but not nearly as significant and they've added depth at the other positions he scores poorly in.
Agree, although I don't think Bowes is any better at Weller ability wise, and him getting injured has left open 100 - 105 points vacant.

Was encouraging to see Weller taking the majority of kick-ins, rather than it being an even split between Weller, Powell and Markov.

GC has said Luko will be playing forward this year.
 
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Agree, although I don't think Bowes is any better at Weller ability wise, and him getting injured has left open 100 - 105 points vacant.

Was encouraging to see Weller taking the majority of kick-ins, rather than it being an even split between Weller, Powell and Markov.

GC has said Luko will be playing forward this year.
What about Bowes' woeful performance for most of last season gives the impression that GC will try someone else in the same role that Bowes played for the first few rounds? Bowes possibly could've averaged 100-105 if GC stuck with their keepings off style, but GC never stick with a gameplan that long. They tried to move the ball faster, Powell and Markov took over as the primary rebounders, Lukosius was moved back, Bowes got injured and then proceeded to play terribly for the rest of the season. Bowes also ended the season as only their 3rd highest kick-in taker and his average actually dropped from the previous season.

Anyway don't trust GC to be consistent in anything other than their midfield setup. Lukosius could start forward, that doesn't mean he'll stay there though.
 
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What about Bowes' woeful performance for most of last season gives the impression that GC will try someone else in the same role that Bowes played for the first few rounds? Bowes possibly could've averaged 100-105 if GC stuck with their keepings off style, but GC never stick with a gameplan that long. They tried to move the ball faster, Powell and Markov took over as the primary rebounders, Lukosius was moved back, Bowes got injured and then proceeded to play terribly for the rest of the season. Bowes also ended the season as only their 3rd highest kick-in taker and his average actually dropped from the previous season.

Anyway don't trust GC to be consistent in anything other than their midfield setup. Lukosius could start forward, that doesn't mean he'll stay there though.
I think the call that GC is inconsistent with their approach definitely has merit.

Although I think GC will give Lukosius the forward time he desires in his contract year, to convince him to stay and reject Adelaide's poaching.

Weller is not only a much better kick than Bowes, but also provides the run and carry of Powell/Markov, so with Weller the trade-off between the HBFs doesn't exist.
 
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What about Bowes' woeful performance for most of last season gives the impression that GC will try someone else in the same role that Bowes played for the first few rounds? Bowes possibly could've averaged 100-105 if GC stuck with their keepings off style, but GC never stick with a gameplan that long. They tried to move the ball faster, Powell and Markov took over as the primary rebounders, Lukosius was moved back, Bowes got injured and then proceeded to play terribly for the rest of the season. Bowes also ended the season as only their 3rd highest kick-in taker and his average actually dropped from the previous season.

Anyway don't trust GC to be consistent in anything other than their midfield setup. Lukosius could start forward, that doesn't mean he'll stay there though.
After Bowes was injured round 5 and missed a couple with that hammy he never really went back to that role he was playing the first four rounds IIRC. He was really lost at times and so was GCS and they struggled to find a structure that really worked.
 
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Weller has played as a half back flanker before and never averaged premium numbers, why will it be different this time?
I don't think he has ever taken the number of kick-ins that he looks like taking in this role. Provides him with a high floor. Potential seagull roles are what we are looking for in the pre-season, and he may have it.

Concern is whether his is able to keep it for the entire season as the GC seems to move the magnets around during the course of the season.
 
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I don't think he has ever taken the number of kick-ins that he looks like taking in this role. Provides him with a high floor. Potential seagull roles are what we are looking for in the pre-season, and he may have it.

Concern is whether his is able to keep it for the entire season as the GC seems to move the magnets around during the course of the season.
They did this with Bowes for the first six or so weeks last season, people jumped on and were burned badly.
 
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3 GCS names that I remember smashing preseason games are Weller, Macpherson and Brodie...
Can't forget the great Jesse Lonergan. So many sucked into that ride, including myself.

Think it was the last time I've genuinely been sucked in by pre-season form and dudded. It's a tough lesson but one you can only learn the hard way.
 
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My major concern with Weller is that he's played the role before and he wasn't getting to the 100 type range or even that close, albeit his 2nd year was pretty good. The big one is Lukosius and his role. I can handle Powell and Markov but if Luko is there as well, he's a major issue. We might get an answer this week but it seems very unlikely which means you're picking a guy in round one absent any kind of answer to the most important question. Swallow is also a concern, he did nothing in the game on the weekend but he's a quality player who will definitely steal kicks also but I don't think either of Swallow or Powell is enough to kill a 95+ season but throw Luko in and yeah...

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2019 I think was the season going by fan footy he did have 6 tons and only really just got the ton.

I think with more experience now in the AFL System and supercoach scoring favoring the backs (seems that way) I think he has a lot of upside.

Lukosius has been confirmed forward been training there all pre season and Bowes has moved to the Midfield so that also helps.
 
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Yeah got my eye on Powell for draft/MPM comp.

Weller is in my team ATM but nowhere near locked in.
Weller is one of those guys you pick in the MPM competition to get it out of your system! :p

I don't think anyone has seriously made a case that he will be a either a top forward or top defender... buyer beware.

The only question really is whether he beats out Rowell or Witts or Powell for one of the two Suns spots :cool:
 
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