Competitions 2022: IPL RDT Fantasy
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Well, the public league I'm in is showing as 1st with a 700 average. It appears there are categories for each size of league because IPL SCS is also 1st... of 20!
Now I have a bit more time to digest what's just happened, there's a few people I want to thank:
- @Diabolical for his sage advice on backing myself - something I'm much better in the cricket games than the AFL ones because I feel like I understand the roles better, I just need to take the plunge more often
- @Herbie66 for his willingness to explore outside the obvious options... an approach that eventually led me to Saha and Ashwin, two crucial cogs in the run home
- @Darkie for his extensive matchup/splits analysis, for when you just can't split a lineball decision!
- Diabolical again for attempting to quantify the difference between a donut and no-donut strategy. I'm fairly comfortable that we have come to the conclusion that there's no consensus on the best way to play this game!
- My body for continuing to function after I only gave it five hours sleep on weekday mornings when I really needed to see an important set of teams... only one donut caused by a DNP for the whole season, missed an Axar late out somewhere
- Everyone for the strong community feel and particularly the support in the last round. I've had an awesome time of it, and I've learned some lessons for the BBL
By the way, here's a crazy stat for you: I ended up with 13 playing players in my squad, and the lowest priced of them... is Jos Buttler!
Now I have a bit more time to digest what's just happened, there's a few people I want to thank:
- @Diabolical for his sage advice on backing myself - something I'm much better in the cricket games than the AFL ones because I feel like I understand the roles better, I just need to take the plunge more often
- @Herbie66 for his willingness to explore outside the obvious options... an approach that eventually led me to Saha and Ashwin, two crucial cogs in the run home
- @Darkie for his extensive matchup/splits analysis, for when you just can't split a lineball decision!
- Diabolical again for attempting to quantify the difference between a donut and no-donut strategy. I'm fairly comfortable that we have come to the conclusion that there's no consensus on the best way to play this game!
- My body for continuing to function after I only gave it five hours sleep on weekday mornings when I really needed to see an important set of teams... only one donut caused by a DNP for the whole season, missed an Axar late out somewhere
- Everyone for the strong community feel and particularly the support in the last round. I've had an awesome time of it, and I've learned some lessons for the BBL
By the way, here's a crazy stat for you: I ended up with 13 playing players in my squad, and the lowest priced of them... is Jos Buttler!
Well, the public league I'm in is showing as 1st with a 700 average. It appears there are categories for each size of league because IPL SCS is also 1st... of 20!
Now I have a bit more time to digest what's just happened, there's a few people I want to thank:
- @Diabolical for his sage advice on backing myself - something I'm much better in the cricket games than the AFL ones because I feel like I understand the roles better, I just need to take the plunge more often
- @Herbie66 for his willingness to explore outside the obvious options... an approach that eventually led me to Saha and Ashwin, two crucial cogs in the run home
- @Darkie for his extensive matchup/splits analysis, for when you just can't split a lineball decision!
- Diabolical again for attempting to quantify the difference between a donut and no-donut strategy. I'm fairly comfortable that we have come to the conclusion that there's no consensus on the best way to play this game!
- My body for continuing to function after I only gave it five hours sleep on weekday mornings when I really needed to see an important set of teams... only one donut caused by a DNP for the whole season, missed an Axar late out somewhere
- Everyone for the strong community feel and particularly the support in the last round. I've had an awesome time of it, and I've learned some lessons for the BBL
By the way, here's a crazy stat for you: I ended up with 13 playing players in my squad, and the lowest priced of them... is Jos Buttler!
Now I have a bit more time to digest what's just happened, there's a few people I want to thank:
- @Diabolical for his sage advice on backing myself - something I'm much better in the cricket games than the AFL ones because I feel like I understand the roles better, I just need to take the plunge more often
- @Herbie66 for his willingness to explore outside the obvious options... an approach that eventually led me to Saha and Ashwin, two crucial cogs in the run home
- @Darkie for his extensive matchup/splits analysis, for when you just can't split a lineball decision!
- Diabolical again for attempting to quantify the difference between a donut and no-donut strategy. I'm fairly comfortable that we have come to the conclusion that there's no consensus on the best way to play this game!
- My body for continuing to function after I only gave it five hours sleep on weekday mornings when I really needed to see an important set of teams... only one donut caused by a DNP for the whole season, missed an Axar late out somewhere
- Everyone for the strong community feel and particularly the support in the last round. I've had an awesome time of it, and I've learned some lessons for the BBL
By the way, here's a crazy stat for you: I ended up with 13 playing players in my squad, and the lowest priced of them... is Jos Buttler!
I think there is enough evidence for me to conclude that we had the top league. The #1 ranked 12-team league averaged 699.5 points, whereas our #1 ranked 10-team league averaged 726. If two additional coaches had joined our league, even if they’d both scored 1,000 points less than our 10th-ranked side, we would have tied for first. Additionally, our average was 3.7% higher, and there was seemingly no indication that 10-team leagues weren’t ranked ahead of the season … that’s enough for me to call it!
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It was also good to get a bit of a test run using the trade boost, which I assume we will get in BBL.
I don’t think that I used it wisely and actually think that it might be a bit overrated in cricket given we can already turn over our squad so quickly with three trades each week. I think I might not plan to use it, but only use it as an additional bonus trade to snag a great VC or bench score on a given week. Scoring is so volatile that they might be best saved for this purpose of snagging an unexpected bonus score.
I don’t think that I used it wisely and actually think that it might be a bit overrated in cricket given we can already turn over our squad so quickly with three trades each week. I think I might not plan to use it, but only use it as an additional bonus trade to snag a great VC or bench score on a given week. Scoring is so volatile that they might be best saved for this purpose of snagging an unexpected bonus score.
Top 10 by Aggregate
DreRuss 969
RK19 870
Hasaranga 864
Livingstone 859
Buttler 853 (5 Round Ave 24.8)
Chahal 840 (5 Round Ave 43)
QDK 829
Rahul 788
Kuldeep 753 (5 Round Ave 34.4)
Umesh 750
Now to wade through the averages and try and find some "value" starting picks for next season , be interesting if it reverts back to a "normal" H & A season next year where home games definitely advantages some players/teams
DreRuss 969
RK19 870
Hasaranga 864
Livingstone 859
Buttler 853 (5 Round Ave 24.8)
Chahal 840 (5 Round Ave 43)
QDK 829
Rahul 788
Kuldeep 753 (5 Round Ave 34.4)
Umesh 750
Now to wade through the averages and try and find some "value" starting picks for next season , be interesting if it reverts back to a "normal" H & A season next year where home games definitely advantages some players/teams
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I meant to put together a list of differences between IPL and BBL to help in our pre-season planning. I’ll include a couple, but please feel free to add!
- BBL: rain can be a major factor and significantly influence trade plans
- IPL: rain is essentially a non-issue and can basically be ignored
- Implication: less need for cover due to weather in IPL
- BBL: depth of good players is reasonable but not high
- IPL: depth is high, most franchises have world class players on the bench
- Implications: fewer very good roles in IPL (and potentially less value to using this as a key driver of selection decisions, because roles are less extreme/potentially less stable?), even top quality players can face JS risk, lower middle order batters possibly less likely to be called upon to play a significant role, non-specialist bowlers less likely to get 3+ overs and be eligible for an ER bonus. High quality specialists come into play more, but those with outstanding roles are even more valuable for VC/C.
The idea would be to refer to this in the leadup to either BBL (so we know how to adjust strategy vs what we just did for IPL) or next season’s IPL (for similar reasons).
- BBL: rain can be a major factor and significantly influence trade plans
- IPL: rain is essentially a non-issue and can basically be ignored
- Implication: less need for cover due to weather in IPL
- BBL: depth of good players is reasonable but not high
- IPL: depth is high, most franchises have world class players on the bench
- Implications: fewer very good roles in IPL (and potentially less value to using this as a key driver of selection decisions, because roles are less extreme/potentially less stable?), even top quality players can face JS risk, lower middle order batters possibly less likely to be called upon to play a significant role, non-specialist bowlers less likely to get 3+ overs and be eligible for an ER bonus. High quality specialists come into play more, but those with outstanding roles are even more valuable for VC/C.
The idea would be to refer to this in the leadup to either BBL (so we know how to adjust strategy vs what we just did for IPL) or next season’s IPL (for similar reasons).
I always feel that Rashid doesn't perform as strong in IPL as he does in BBL (figures don't support that this season).
DreRuss is just a roller coaster , just buy the ticket and enjoy the ups and downs.
I need to give Livingstone more credit.
Buttler , QDK , Rahul can't really go wrong with them especially if Bat/WK , I normally revert to Faf & Warner as Bat only
Chahar & Kuldeep are 2 of my favourite Indian spinners , missed their early great scores.
Amazing that Kuldeep struggled to get a game at KKR last season.
Think their will be enough value in starting 2-4 of Bairstow , Kohli , Sharma , Williamson next season + Deepak.
Chakravarty will be an absolute gift if he gets back his form.
Not sure what happened to Nagarkoti this season , might have too many ahead of him now at DC.
Be curious to see what CSK do next season (if Bravo returns) , might not see Pollard at MI again either.
Always seems to be some Indian batsmen that emerge each IPL.
DreRuss is just a roller coaster , just buy the ticket and enjoy the ups and downs.
I need to give Livingstone more credit.
Buttler , QDK , Rahul can't really go wrong with them especially if Bat/WK , I normally revert to Faf & Warner as Bat only
Chahar & Kuldeep are 2 of my favourite Indian spinners , missed their early great scores.
Amazing that Kuldeep struggled to get a game at KKR last season.
Think their will be enough value in starting 2-4 of Bairstow , Kohli , Sharma , Williamson next season + Deepak.
Chakravarty will be an absolute gift if he gets back his form.
Not sure what happened to Nagarkoti this season , might have too many ahead of him now at DC.
Be curious to see what CSK do next season (if Bravo returns) , might not see Pollard at MI again either.
Always seems to be some Indian batsmen that emerge each IPL.
I always seem to get the choice between him & Narine wrong for the last 3 seasons.
DreRuss
25 , 47 , 140 , 11 , 49 , 124 , 25 , 185 , 0 , 0 , 130 , 59 , 169 , 5
100+ = 5 times
25 or less = 6 times
The biggest Fantasy roller coaster their is , almost just need to field (or loop him if possible) every game
Just hope when he goes huge you have him as Captain.
DreRuss
25 , 47 , 140 , 11 , 49 , 124 , 25 , 185 , 0 , 0 , 130 , 59 , 169 , 5
100+ = 5 times
25 or less = 6 times
The biggest Fantasy roller coaster their is , almost just need to field (or loop him if possible) every game
Just hope when he goes huge you have him as Captain.
- BBL: Overseas players are generally amongst the best in their teams, with good JS and roles. Some exceptions, particularly for bowlers (eg English quicks and uncapped spinners from the subcontinent).
- IPL: Overseas player depth is high, as is pressure to perform. Matchup analysis also seems more sophisticated than in the BBL.
- Implications: Overseas player JS can be materially lower in the IPL. Name brand players sometimes don’t even get selected. The quality of the local players in a particular position can also have a big impact on who gets selected (eg if local spinners are of high quality but quicks aren’t, overseas quicks will be more secure than overseas spinners). When prepping for a DGR, it may make sense to load up on local players early and bring in overseas players later (all else equal), to mitigate the JS risk. When starting a new season, there may be high quality players (overseas, or perhaps local) who are low-prices due to not being selected in the prior season, or playing an unappealing role in the prior season.
- IPL: Overseas player depth is high, as is pressure to perform. Matchup analysis also seems more sophisticated than in the BBL.
- Implications: Overseas player JS can be materially lower in the IPL. Name brand players sometimes don’t even get selected. The quality of the local players in a particular position can also have a big impact on who gets selected (eg if local spinners are of high quality but quicks aren’t, overseas quicks will be more secure than overseas spinners). When prepping for a DGR, it may make sense to load up on local players early and bring in overseas players later (all else equal), to mitigate the JS risk. When starting a new season, there may be high quality players (overseas, or perhaps local) who are low-prices due to not being selected in the prior season, or playing an unappealing role in the prior season.
- BBL: emergencies are selected
- IPL: no emergencies are selected, with the lowest bench score (that isn’t a zero) is used
- Implications: looping strategy differs ..
… might need a chopout from @Diabolical or @mike89 on this one?
Things that come to mind include preferred donut selection, risk of inadvertent donuts, taking advantage of the 0 bench score aspect, and anything specific to the VC/C loop.
- IPL: no emergencies are selected, with the lowest bench score (that isn’t a zero) is used
- Implications: looping strategy differs ..
… might need a chopout from @Diabolical or @mike89 on this one?
Things that come to mind include preferred donut selection, risk of inadvertent donuts, taking advantage of the 0 bench score aspect, and anything specific to the VC/C loop.
- BBL: wickets and catches receive fewer points (20 and 10), but points are awarded for dot balls. ER points are available after 2 overs (need to check this). Bonus points for 50 runs, 3 wickets etc. The primary fielder (not the keeper) receives run out points.
- IPL: wickets and catches receive more points (25 and 12). No dot ball points, and ER eligibility only after 3 overs. All run out contributors receive run out points.
- Implications: (1) IPL may even the playing field for batsmen, by reducing bowlers’ scoring potential somewhat, (2) wicket-taking bowlers are advantaged relatively to run-saving bowlers, (3) item (2) is particularly true for part-timers, who are quite unlikely to generate ER points and are very reliant on wickets, (4) keepers can get easy points from run outs, particularly in sides that generate a few of them.
- IPL: wickets and catches receive more points (25 and 12). No dot ball points, and ER eligibility only after 3 overs. All run out contributors receive run out points.
- Implications: (1) IPL may even the playing field for batsmen, by reducing bowlers’ scoring potential somewhat, (2) wicket-taking bowlers are advantaged relatively to run-saving bowlers, (3) item (2) is particularly true for part-timers, who are quite unlikely to generate ER points and are very reliant on wickets, (4) keepers can get easy points from run outs, particularly in sides that generate a few of them.
For me, the main implications are:
- you actually need 2 donuts on the bat or bowl lines, but only 1 on the keeper line. For that reason the keeper donut is the most valuable one and one I would be prepared to even pay additional money for to make sure they have the right schedule. (The fact that you can basically pick a side full of premium players from the get go in IPL is its own consideration!)
- if you are prepared to run three, and potentially take two scores off the bench every round, it's important that you actually split them across various teams, because no team will be late in every round (even Rajasthan, who had an excellent looping schedule, had a first-in-round match in round 10). This should always ensure you have a late donut across every round and can actually utilise your loops.
- As for which players I like to look at the scores of, I have two main candidate types:
* Death bowlers. A death bowler is a good chance of a really good score because late wickets can fall in clumps, but they're also a really good chance of a zero if it goes against them, as their chances of ER are low and they typically don't get a bat. That effectively gets you a second chance at a loop. Probably isn't extremely necessary though aside from in the last round of the season where you're not compromising your wider team structure if you have more or less donuts. Bonus points if they also have BAT eligibility (as Harshal did) because then you can do it on both lines.
* Highly popular players. In AFL and other games the bench is typically used to get an unexpectedly good score on the field, but in such a volatile game I find it equally valuable, if not moreso, to get unexpectedly bad scores off the field. Russell is a prime candidate here if you look at Herbie's analysis: 5 tons and 6 scores under 25, as well as a lot of early games. If most players have him on field, you're potentially a good score ahead on his bad days and you keep up on his good days. The risk is not being able to VC them...
- you actually need 2 donuts on the bat or bowl lines, but only 1 on the keeper line. For that reason the keeper donut is the most valuable one and one I would be prepared to even pay additional money for to make sure they have the right schedule. (The fact that you can basically pick a side full of premium players from the get go in IPL is its own consideration!)
- if you are prepared to run three, and potentially take two scores off the bench every round, it's important that you actually split them across various teams, because no team will be late in every round (even Rajasthan, who had an excellent looping schedule, had a first-in-round match in round 10). This should always ensure you have a late donut across every round and can actually utilise your loops.
- As for which players I like to look at the scores of, I have two main candidate types:
* Death bowlers. A death bowler is a good chance of a really good score because late wickets can fall in clumps, but they're also a really good chance of a zero if it goes against them, as their chances of ER are low and they typically don't get a bat. That effectively gets you a second chance at a loop. Probably isn't extremely necessary though aside from in the last round of the season where you're not compromising your wider team structure if you have more or less donuts. Bonus points if they also have BAT eligibility (as Harshal did) because then you can do it on both lines.
* Highly popular players. In AFL and other games the bench is typically used to get an unexpectedly good score on the field, but in such a volatile game I find it equally valuable, if not moreso, to get unexpectedly bad scores off the field. Russell is a prime candidate here if you look at Herbie's analysis: 5 tons and 6 scores under 25, as well as a lot of early games. If most players have him on field, you're potentially a good score ahead on his bad days and you keep up on his good days. The risk is not being able to VC them...
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