Position 2023: Midfield Discussion

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GrainFedBeef said:
Talk has been that Sheeds and Yeo were rotating with each other through the mids, so potentially each getting 50% time there. Yeo as a defender is very good although don't have the stats on splits. Sheed not in the mids is a. lower scorer, particularly in this Eagles side, yet I expect them to rebound at least from losing by 60-80 points to being competitive.

Yeo currently in, Sheed has been in and out. When you allow for declining magic number, 95-100 is probably needed from Sheeds.




Given all the comments on Steele on BF and how he was coming back from injury last year, think he needs to perform preseason to pick with confidence.
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Actually think the Eagles will be in contention for finals if they get the medical staff right. Literally everything that could go wrong, went wrong last year, Fuhrer McGowan ruined their preseason completely and then the rules around COVID decimated their playing list and then the 2nd half of the season was basically avoid the spoon which Essendon and North helped them to achieve!

A team of:

B: Hurn Barrass Edwards
HB: Yeo McGovern Duggan
C: Gaff Shuey Hunt?
HF: Cripps Darling Culley
F: Williams Allen Ryan
R: NicNat Kelly Sheed

And pick four of Cole, Foley, O'Neill, Witherden, Trew, Giney, Hewett, SPS, Waterman, Edwards, Hough, Petruccelle, Jones and Clark.

That's a side that should have top half aspirations if the key guys can stay on the park. Their issue remains that the injury prone list and the key guys is just a single circle on a Venn diagram!

Going to need the likes of Ginbey and Culley to step up and NicNat, Ryan, McGovern, Yeo, Shuey and Kelly to actually care about the preseason but if they can, I don't see any glaring issues for them.

I think Allen is an upgrade on Kennedy of last year though so I could be wrong if he fails.

Not saying they will make the finals, the league is very competitive, but I think they should be aiming for that at least.

I still don't really like any of them as fantasy picks. Yeo is great value but awful, truly awful, durability, Sheed is so awkwardly priced and he's a pure cash cow, I don't see any scenario he's a keeper outside the DPP into injuries force him into the #1 midfield slot type scenario. The kind of situation that everyone just trades him in from and you just copped 6 weeks of him playing forward and being ordinary! Witherden I don't trust, Culley and Allen are probably the two that draw me in the most outside the rookies. Hurn probably matches the top 5 backs as he always seems to but I can't create a reason to start him!
 
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I think itll be another tough year for the Eagles, core of the list is another year older and already significantly injury prone, just lost Kennedy and Redden, one still kicked 37 goals in 15 games and the other was clearly their 2nd best mid, leaves a pretty gaping hole for mine.

Think their best bet would be another poor year to top up at the draft again in all honesty.

Has to be some more opportunity tor their youth if they want any chance to improve long term so I'll be watching a few of those guys pretty closely over the pre season.
 
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Out of curiosity -

We had a fair few players gain DPP status throughout the season last year. What decides whether they retain it or not - thinking ie Bont, B Smith, English (there would be more naturally) etc. just seems odd players would gain DPP over the course of the season and end up losing one of the positions (or revert back to original) when it comes around to the start of the next season (2023)
 
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kennychao said:
Out of curiosity -

We had a fair few players gain DPP status throughout the season last year. What decides whether they retain it or not - thinking ie Bont, B Smith, English (there would be more naturally) etc. just seems odd players would gain DPP over the course of the season and end up losing one of the positions (or revert back to original) when it comes around to the start of the next season (2023)
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I would anticipate that it’s essentially on a “season to date” basis.

So to start 2022, Bont is M only, because he played M in 2021.

He then plays enough F in the first half of the year to be >35% F at the R12 cutoff, and so becomes an MF.

He subsequently plays more M again, lowering his F% over the season to <35, and so is M only for 2023.
 
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kennychao said:
Out of curiosity -

We had a fair few players gain DPP status throughout the season last year. What decides whether they retain it or not - thinking ie Bont, B Smith, English (there would be more naturally) etc. just seems odd players would gain DPP over the course of the season and end up losing one of the positions (or revert back to original) when it comes around to the start of the next season (2023)
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Darkie said:
I would anticipate that it’s essentially on a “season to date” basis.

So to start 2022, Bont is M only, because he played M in 2021.

He then plays enough F in the first half of the year to be >35% F at the R12 cutoff, and so becomes an MF.

He subsequently plays more M again, lowering his F% over the season to <35, and so is M only for 2023.
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Bailey Smith as an example:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1602066672776773633
 
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Bailey Smith as an example:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1602066672776773633
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Thanks for the clarification guys! - makes sense

I’m guessing they’ve always used finals data in the past? Seems conflicting to use (extra) finals games’ data for regular season positions (and vice versa naturally). Other players (on teams that don’t regularly make finals) wouldn’t have extra games to skew their %’s either way. Aka if Dogs hadn’t made the finals, he’d be a MID/FWD and arguably be in everyone’s FWD
 
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BIGB0Y said:
Parish or merrett? Leaning more towards parish he was pushing a 120 ave last year before he hurt himself in round 13.
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From memory Merrett was either injured, recovering or out when Parish was doing his thing. Merrett would be my pick between the two but it’s a no for Zmerrett as well, been burnt starting him and enjoyed picking him up cheap, in various seasons.
 
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kennychao said:
Thanks for the clarification guys! - makes sense

I’m guessing they’ve always used finals data in the past? Seems conflicting to use (extra) finals games’ data for regular season positions (and vice versa naturally). Other players (on teams that don’t regularly make finals) wouldn’t have extra games to skew their %’s either way. Aka if Dogs hadn’t made the finals, he’d be a MID/FWD and arguably be in everyone’s FWD
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The thing I find strange about it is that they use finals for positions, but those games are seemingly not on equal footing for pricing.

Eg Toby Mclean only played in the elimination final, scored 100, and is priced at 179k.

That’s a lower price than Goater, who has played one game in his whole career, scored 70 (ie lower than Mclean) and is now 193k (ie higher than Mclean - who also has a longer history of scoring behind him).
 
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BIGB0Y said:
Parish or merrett? Leaning more towards parish he was pushing a 120 ave last year before he hurt himself in round 13.
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Neither.

Merrett can usually be picked up sub $550,000 around the byes.
2022= Bye RD12 and available for $520,700
2021= Bye RD13 and available for $563,900. Round prior to bye was $541,800
2020= Reached a low of $524,600 in Round 9
2019= Started season at $544,800 and dipped below that in RD17 and sub $500,000 in RD18.
2018= Started season at $600,600 and due to injury (16% TOG in RD1) was available for sub $500,00 in RD5
2016= Started season $600,400 and was available for $543,200 in RD8

Of the four seasons his price has started above $600,000, he has dipped under $550,000 before his bye on all occasions. Does not display a high enough ceiling to warrant starting selection comparative to other options who present higher upside and unlikely to be considered for early captaincy or vice captaincy options.

As for Parish, be careful about extrapolating that sample size over a full season which I gather would be your expectation for a starting premium. Whilst he was averaging very well over those first eleven games, his lowest was 97 and his highest was 142 with 5/11 120+. Of those 5 120+, only one occurred when Parish registered less than 38 disposals (RD8= 32D).
 
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