2023: SC Planning Thread

[Rowsus]

Looking like we can start to put a line through Bruce.

If he's named Round 1, he's going to be hard to overlook.
To me he's a much more enticing prospect, if they are going to play him as a third tall in Def.
He's a 57-62/game as a Fwd, but he might be able to turn that into 65-70/game as a third tall.
That would give him the potential for $160-$180 growth.

 

[Rowsus]

The convention has been that a trade was worth $150,000, this was back when we had 30 trades. Extrapolating that for 36 trades, that should really be more like $125,000 per trade if we keep the total value of all trades the same. Add an extra round for this season and it's close to $130k a trade. I think this might play towards having a few more mid pricers early on that can make the lowered required "trade value" and facilitate early upgrades to fallen premiums. Bowey made a quick $130k last season for example, by round 7 an upgrade to Oliver (dpp'ing Daicos back to the backs) would have been far easier than finding the cash from rookies that had not fully appreciated yet and were worth far less than Bowey. Even if the $130k profit isn't made, the total trade value can still be achieved later on when jettisoning the better rookies later on that have exceeded this $130k threshold.

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I generally think the value of a trade is higher at the start of the season, and lower at the end. It might average out to $150k over the season.

I'd love to see one of the fantasy AFL games go absolutely balls to the wall, and offer something that is guaranteed to make teams look different.
Give everyone a starting budget of $16,000,000.
Within that starting $16,000,000 Coaches need to buy trades.
Trades start at $200,000 each before Round 1, and then are progressively cheaper by $4,000 per Round.
Here's where it can get interesting. If you say have no trades left at Round 16, and your $540,000 Fwd Prem gets an LTI, you can still trade him out, but your trade becomes:
Out: $540,000 player - cost of trade ($200,000 - 15 x $4,000 =$140,000) = $400,000
In: Any Fwd eligible player that costs $400,000 or less.
Those that plan and budget the best are better placed. Run out of trades and lose a Rookie to an LTI, and you are stuck with him.
There would be teams starting with 30 players at $14,000,000 and 10 trades, all the way back to $10,000,000 and 30 trades.
The expensive teams jump out of the gate, but are likely to be in pain by mid-season, the cheaper teams will be powering home late.
Makes the game more individual, and really would separate teams, particularly at the pointy end of the season!!!

 

[Eagling]

No one on this site will have rookies onfield regularly dropping 30s.

Speak for yourself.

 

[Ben's Beasts]

I hadn't heard a whole lot about Toby McLean this pre-season but just noticed a post on BF regarding today's match sim and he was mentioned in the players who stood out for the 'white' team. Seems as though both the white and blue team had an even split of likely best 22 players.

Good signs.

 

[The Banker]

Trades dont have to all be used on top players though, think this is a mistake alot of people made when boosts and extra trades were added, theres still a massive place for value trade ins, people paid up for Mills for example when they could have just traded in a bottomed out Zac Merrett.

I grabbed Mills at the bye, but went Walsh over Merrett so copped a double whammy.

 

[Manikato1]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1623851867699818496

View: https://twitter.com/NathanSchmook/status/1623851867699818496?s=20&t=0UdlOGeLRV14Eo39dEzcsA

Hunt playing on the centre line is the interesting one for me.

 

[Manikato1]

They dont have to get near those heights though, 6 to 8 weeks maximum of good scoring and you flick them to a premo and havent had to field dodgy rookies dropping 30's.

Depends what your definition of good scoring is I guess. Need to be around 85 min for mine. And depends where you are adding the premo. Take Chapman last year. Started 275k. After he played 7 games he was 410k. You could upgrade to a fallen premo in defence or forward but not likely in the mids. Possibly catch a break out player. And for the record Chapman did not drop a 30 but he did drop a 40.

 

[AngryAnt]

If he's named Round 1, he's going to be hard to overlook.
To me he's a much more enticing prospect, if they are going to play him as a third tall in Def.
He's a 57-62/game as a Fwd, but he might be able to turn that into 65-70/game as a third tall.
That would give him the potential for $160-$180 growth.

If he is named as a third tall in the backline he will need to be picked, absolutely. Signs are that he might not be in their best 22 though.

 

[Santoz]

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I generally think the value of a trade is higher at the start of the season, and lower at the end. It might average out to $150k over the season.

I'd love to see one of the fantasy AFL games go absolutely balls to the wall, and offer something that is guaranteed to make teams look different.
Give everyone a starting budget of $16,000,000.
Within that starting $16,000,000 Coaches need to buy trades.
Trades start at $200,000 each before Round 1, and then are progressively cheaper by $4,000 per Round.
Here's where it can get interesting. If you say have no trades left at Round 16, and your $540,000 Fwd Prem gets an LTI, you can still trade him out, but your trade becomes:
Out: $540,000 player - cost of trade ($200,000 - 15 x $4,000 =$140,000) = $400,000
In: Any Fwd eligible player that costs $400,000 or less.
Those that plan and budget the best are better placed. Run out of trades and lose a Rookie to an LTI, and you are stuck with him.
There would be teams starting with 30 players at $14,000,000 and 10 trades, all the way back to $10,000,000 and 30 trades.
The expensive teams jump out of the gate, but are likely to be in pain by mid-season, the cheaper teams will powering home late.
Makes the game more individual, and really would separate teams, particularly at the pointy end of the season!!!

Sounds like it'd be fun and a great idea but then I remember I can barely crack the Top 5k with the uncomplicated version of the game.

 

[Juzzo]

I hadn't heard a whole lot about Toby McLean this pre-season but just noticed a post on BF regarding today's match sim and he was mentioned in the players who stood out for the 'white' team. Seems as though both the white and blue team had an even split of likely best 22 players.

Good signs.

"Reshuffle team to put Bruce back in"

 

[Juzzo]

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I generally think the value of a trade is higher at the start of the season, and lower at the end. It might average out to $150k over the season.

I'd love to see one of the fantasy AFL games go absolutely balls to the wall, and offer something that is guaranteed to make teams look different.
Give everyone a starting budget of $16,000,000.
Within that starting $16,000,000 Coaches need to buy trades.
Trades start at $200,000 each before Round 1, and then are progressively cheaper by $4,000 per Round.
Here's where it can get interesting. If you say have no trades left at Round 16, and your $540,000 Fwd Prem gets an LTI, you can still trade him out, but your trade becomes:
Out: $540,000 player - cost of trade ($200,000 - 15 x $4,000 =$140,000) = $400,000
In: Any Fwd eligible player that costs $400,000 or less.
Those that plan and budget the best are better placed. Run out of trades and lose a Rookie to an LTI, and you are stuck with him.
There would be teams starting with 30 players at $14,000,000 and 10 trades, all the way back to $10,000,000 and 30 trades.
The expensive teams jump out of the gate, but are likely to be in pain by mid-season, the cheaper teams will powering home late.
Makes the game more individual, and really would separate teams, particularly at the pointy end of the season!!!

Great concept.

 

[KLo30]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1623914675808382976

View: https://twitter.com/ThePhantomSC/status/1623914675808382976?s=20&t=0UdlOGeLRV14Eo39dEzcsA

 

[WindyHillWizard]

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I generally think the value of a trade is higher at the start of the season, and lower at the end. It might average out to $150k over the season.

I'd love to see one of the fantasy AFL games go absolutely balls to the wall, and offer something that is guaranteed to make teams look different.
Give everyone a starting budget of $16,000,000.
Within that starting $16,000,000 Coaches need to buy trades.
Trades start at $200,000 each before Round 1, and then are progressively cheaper by $4,000 per Round.
Here's where it can get interesting. If you say have no trades left at Round 16, and your $540,000 Fwd Prem gets an LTI, you can still trade him out, but your trade becomes:
Out: $540,000 player - cost of trade ($200,000 - 15 x $4,000 =$140,000) = $400,000
In: Any Fwd eligible player that costs $400,000 or less.
Those that plan and budget the best are better placed. Run out of trades and lose a Rookie to an LTI, and you are stuck with him.
There would be teams starting with 30 players at $14,000,000 and 10 trades, all the way back to $10,000,000 and 30 trades.
The expensive teams jump out of the gate, but are likely to be in pain by mid-season, the cheaper teams will be powering home late.
Makes the game more individual, and really would separate teams, particularly at the pointy end of the season!!!

Great idea Rowsus. Unfortunately that kind of innovative thinking is severely lacking with News Ltd to reinvigorate the game.

 

[Beg2Differ]

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I generally think the value of a trade is higher at the start of the season, and lower at the end. It might average out to $150k over the season.

I'd love to see one of the fantasy AFL games go absolutely balls to the wall, and offer something that is guaranteed to make teams look different.
Give everyone a starting budget of $16,000,000.
Within that starting $16,000,000 Coaches need to buy trades.
Trades start at $200,000 each before Round 1, and then are progressively cheaper by $4,000 per Round.
Here's where it can get interesting. If you say have no trades left at Round 16, and your $540,000 Fwd Prem gets an LTI, you can still trade him out, but your trade becomes:
Out: $540,000 player - cost of trade ($200,000 - 15 x $4,000 =$140,000) = $400,000
In: Any Fwd eligible player that costs $400,000 or less.
Those that plan and budget the best are better placed. Run out of trades and lose a Rookie to an LTI, and you are stuck with him.
There would be teams starting with 30 players at $14,000,000 and 10 trades, all the way back to $10,000,000 and 30 trades.
The expensive teams jump out of the gate, but are likely to be in pain by mid-season, the cheaper teams will be powering home late.
Makes the game more individual, and really would separate teams, particularly at the pointy end of the season!!!

Really interesting concept. Got me thinking if there is a way to try such a concept for interested people.

I have long loved the idea of buying trades when you have run out. It would maintain more interest for more people for longer I would think.

 

[Juzzo]

Really interesting concept. Got me thinking if there is a way to try such a concept for interested people.

I have long loved the idea of buying trades when you have run out. It would maintain more interest for more people for longer I would think.

Let's take it to the Dragon's Den.

 

[KLo30]

Really interesting concept. Got me thinking if there is a way to try such a concept for interested people.

I have long loved the idea of buying trades when you have run out. It would maintain more interest for more people for longer I would think.

Both @Goodie's Guns and I run competitions using Google Sheets, using score feeds from footywire. So, it could definitely done. However, I've looked at the various data on footywire and it's not consistent with player names, so it would be a bit painful to deal with. If I knew how to scrape the Supercoach sites data it would be much easier.

 

[wogitalia]

No one on this site will have rookies onfield regularly dropping 30s.

Oh if only this was true. I had premiums dropping 40s and 50s last year and definitely had rookies drop 30s.

 

[Vicwood]

Ziebell just about a lock down back, F/D DPP at round 6 makes him a lot easier to start as well as doesn't impede the DPP influx that's probable to the forwards, especially valuable for those who, like me, want to go heavy rookies down back as he can swing there in round 6 to plug up a spot.

Sheezel should be a good one so good to see him in the probables, a bit more expensive that you'd want on the bench but if there's nothing else it's definitely good to have the option there, could definitely be startable. Looking at the team, have to think sub is a genuine prospect for him though.

Cunnington also a must watch, his history is too strong to be ignored if his role is right. Their midfield is going to be very interesting in general. LDU and Simpkin are locks but Cunningon, Phillips, Sheezel, Powell, Greenwood, Howe, Taylor, Scott, McDonald, Tucker, Shiels, Thomas, Turner, Lazzaro and Hall all are names that could go through there so picking the other 3 or so is pretty difficult. I know I'd have Cunnington as a clear 2nd but his age and their list profile makes it questionable if you play him there full time and get the best results or develop some of the younger guys. Talk in the writeup of the game was Cunnington was pushing forward often.

Probably the hardest team to pick of them all. Early guess would be:

B: McDonald McKay Corr
HB: Hall Logue Ziebell
C: Howe Cunnington Scott
HF: Taylor Larkey Greenwood
F: XX Zurhaar CCJ
R: Goldstein Simpkin LDU
Int: Shiels XX XX XX

Forward pocket I'd think is between Ford, Curtis, Turner, Mahony, Spicer and Stephenson. So a lot of options.

CCJ could easily be Xerri or Comben also or even an extra small if they want to back Goldy in.

The bench is an absolute cluster with Phillips, Powell, Sheezel, Thomas (ignored for now), Mahony, Stephenson, Wardlaw, Tucker, Bonar, Young, Curtis, Bergman, Goater, Archer, Lazzaro, Spicer, Perez, Ford and Dawson all having genuine cases depending how Clarko goes about it.

Based on the teams for the match it would seem Curtis is in the lead for the FP and that Goater, Sheezel, Bonar, Archer, Perez, Turner and Phillips are the leaders of the group that I didn't name. Howe, Phillips, Bergman, Spicer, Ford, Young, Stephenson and Dawson all played for the second team (Howe returning from injury so may not mean anything). Corr, Hall, Logue and Taylor were not playing that I have in their 22, I'd guess that Bonar, Goater/Perez, Archer/Turner (assume he played back, no mention) and Phillips/Sheezel would be the guys that make way for that group as all 4 are pretty safe best 22 I'd think.

There's also the chance that Clarko goes young in which case the likes of Howe, Shiels, Greenwood and Cunnington are either playing twos or not used in primary roles.

I understand you need some experience on the feild but Hall needs to be put out to pasture. Great for SC but doesnt offer the team much.

Essendon match sim report
https://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/...27&l=169_HTML&u=2217809&mid=534005833&jb=7002

Ridley is going to tempt me along with redman. Who will have the kick retruns.?

 

[baz_machine]

I understand you need some experience on the feild but Hall needs to be put out to pasture. Great for SC but doesnt offer the team much.
Ridley is going to tempt me along with redman. Who will have the kick retruns.?

My guess it'll be whoever is closest of ALL the Essendon defenders
McGrath will be back there as well, so I imagine the quick get the ball, play on and kick down the wing

 

[Rowsus]

Really interesting concept. Got me thinking if there is a way to try such a concept for interested people.

I have long loved the idea of buying trades when you have run out. It would maintain more interest for more people for longer I would think.

I'd actually make trades a commodity. Buy at $x, sell at 0.9x$x.
Obviously those starting for example a $10,000,000 team wouldn't immediately buy 30 trades, as they can get them a little cheaper as they need them. Therein lies the rub! Those saving $$$ to buy trades will be tempted to use those dollars, when they see the stacked teams scores.
This would take a lot of discipline, juggling and patience!