Effectiveness of Ruc/Fwd Singset Analysis

Bob Loblaw

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I was inspired by Philzsays analysis of each teams draw and the effectiveness of players within teams to function as a loophole to a vice-captain. See here http://www.supercoachscores.com/threads/2015-Fixture-VC-and-emergency-Donut-Analysis
As a result I started analysing the effectiveness of specific RUC/FWD (Rookie/mid price) combinations and the ability for these pairs to cover a late out


The following table shows the average value for teams over the season. (Note this is round 1-10, 14-22, I don't count the bye rounds as one can use any bye player as a donut and there is no schedule yet for round 23).

Fremantle 6.64
WCE 5.96
Brisbane 5.89
St Kilda 5.42
Melbourne 5.11
WB 5.08
Port Adelaide 5.07
North 5.03
Essendon 4.70
Geelong 4.62
Adelaide 4.58
Hawthorn 4.42
Sydney 4.32
GWS 4.17
Gold Coast 4.10
Richmond 3.61
Collingwood 3.38
Carlton 3.04

Hence Fremantle are the best option to pick a floating donut player from. When you look at their draw you will notice they play the first game in round 10, a Saturday twilight game in round 17 but for the rest of the relevant parts of the season they are either one of the Saturday night or Sunday games.
AS you can see from this exert Mason Cox is a no go zone as far as a fwd/ruc is concerned as in most cases he would have played his match before an "Inpending" late out from premium ruck who plays later making swinging Bellchambers or Lycett ect. into the fwd for cover impossible.
In general you want your Premium rucks to play early (Great for Kreuze) and your rookies to Ruc/Fwd's to play late.

For this Analysis i picked the combination of;
Lycett and Bellchambers as the fwd/ruc scoring in the forward line.
Read (gee) & Obrien (adl) as the floating donuts.
Main Rucks; Goldstein, Luenberger, Nic Nat and Kreuzer who I have perceived to be the 4 most popular ruckman choices on the site.

Never the less even if i didn't do your combo i hope this serves to illustrate just how effective a ruck/fwd swingset is at covering that dreaded donut we all so very much fear.



While this looks complex its not too hard to get your head around.
For Example. In round 1 if Goldstein is a late out 15 minutes prior too his match a Lycett/Read combo will not be able to cover for his score as Lycett has already played however such a combo will cover if Nic Nat, Luenburger or Kreuzer is out late hence saving a donut.

- White areas are when main Ruckmen are out hence late out is not possible. (L IN) is to illustrate Lycett is in to cover a main ruck on a bye. (B Out) is to illustrate Bellchambers cannot cover as he has the bye and vice versa.

- % down the bottom illustrates (using colour) the percentage of games, the above Fwd/Ruc combinations can cover from a late out from a particular player.

- The to the right of the Fwd/Ruc combinations at the top is the average percentage of games the Fwd/Ruc combo can cover (for the 4 main rucks)

- Average % of games that could be covered in the case of a late out (With these combinations) is only 34.3%. Meaning in general 2 out of three times a late out will occur in the rucks you will cop a donut.

In Summary
Best combination for each of the four ruckmen:
Kreuzer - Lycett/Read (70%)
Nic Nat - Lycett/Obrien (48%)
Luenburger - Lycett/Read (40%)
Goldstein - Lycett/Read (33%)



Above illustrates the average % that each of the ruckmen will be covered.
Below is the number assigned by Philszay (as above) to each of the teams to illustrate using colour the correlation between sequencing of games and ability to be loopholed if a late out.

Note: Lycett is particularly good at covering Nic Nat as they always play in the same game so it only rely's on the rookie playing afterwards to allow Lycett to cover a late out from Nic Nat.




But What About Covering Injuries You Say??
No Problem....


Basic spreadsheet illustrating the injury occurrences for each of the ruckman and the length of the injury spell (1,2,3,4+ weeks).


Shows average number of injury spells of each duration (1,2,3,4+ weeks) and the % distribution. Ie.) 24% of ruckman injuries are 4+ weeks meaning a trade is required.

Therefore we can work out the average number of games that would need to be covered by a Ruc/Fwd Swingset depending on your "Trade threshold".
Trade threshold meaning if you a willing to park a player on the bench for a 2 or 3 week period with a rookie to cover. 4+ weeks injuries i have assumed require a trade.
2 week threshold = 1.06 average games to cover
3 weeks threshold = 1.33 average games to cover

Note* This assumes you cover late outs (35% chance) however late outs are relatively rare so this would have a minor impact.

So basically is it worth your while sacrificing points picking Bellchambers/Ryder/Lycett to cover approximately 1 match a year. Which could be as equally as easily solved through a trade unless its a late out in which case there is only a 35% of covering anyway with your swingset unless you choose wisely.

Hope this is a helpful and make sense.
 
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Excellent work, originally had Cox pencilled in. Whether I start Lycett or not, it's important to have the right donut swing set rookie in place. It is good to know in case of a ruckman having a break, I will know obrien is there to fix it!
 
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Great read mate. The highlight was when I logged into my team and took Bellchambers out. Feels good and I can somewhat justify not having ruck insurance now.
 

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Thanks for this mate. I was just thinking about the benefits (or lack of) of R/F cover and heaven behold you've already done the analysis haha...love it when that happens on here :D
 
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What a site this is - the amount of information and analysis you guys are sharing is incredible.

Am I reading this right - you are better off putting in a Fremantle non-playing rookie into R3 as a C/VC loophole (like Moller) rather than Read or O'brien with RUC cover in the forwards?
 
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What a site this is - the amount of information and analysis you guys are sharing is incredible.

Am I reading this right - you are better off putting in a Fremantle non-playing rookie into R3 as a C/VC loophole (like Moller) rather than Read or O'brien with RUC cover in the forwards?
Your right Bones, this site is an absolute necessity for any serious supercoach player. I always try to log in about 30 mins before the start of each game to find out who has the vest and if there has been any late outs, or any other info that could be of use. I also have moller from freo as ruck 3 but that may change along with most of my other players. :)
 
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What a site this is - the amount of information and analysis you guys are sharing is incredible.

Am I reading this right - you are better off putting in a Fremantle non-playing rookie into R3 as a C/VC loophole (like Moller) rather than Read or O'brien with RUC cover in the forwards?
I was praying for a Freo, Bris or West Coast cheap R/F, but it didn't happen. At the end of last year I had Sandi and Nic Nat miss 3 games where I could move Stef Martin into the rucks and take Josh Caddy's scores who was my F7. Close to 300 points. Meanwhile I only recall missing 1 week of the captain's loophole because there is always someone missing. I'd rather have Read or O'Brien.
 
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