Strategy 2024: Round 4 Trades

Joined
22 Jun 2018
Messages
4,189
Likes
25,278
AFL Club
Essendon
I'd be a little careful with Heeney, Yeo did a proper job on Bont last week and I can see the same happening this week, it's nearly a Monty that Heeney will go forward to break the tag, much the same as Bont.

Bonts heat map from last week, note the almost non existent disposals from CBA's and I'd assume stoppages as well.

Thats a great observation. Was tempted to put the C on Heeney this week. Heeney might drop a 70 -80 if he id tagged.
 
Joined
5 Feb 2014
Messages
1,354
Likes
6,817
AFL Club
Carlton
Thoughts on top 8 forward by year's end, is his scoring sustainable for a ~95-100 average. I'm $8k shy of Flanders so probably between him and Zorko, struggling to see anyone else worth looking at.
Personally, I don't think so.

He averaged 77 in his Coleman year.

FREO/ADEL/GWS his next 3, none are great matchups for key forwards. I'm an owner and just hoping he can get through the next couple of matches with 80+ scores, then I'll sell him for a MID. Of course if he keeps the 100+ scores up I'll be esctatic, but Round 0 he kicked a match-winning goal & Round 3 he was up against North. Has kicked 11.2 for the year which is unsustainable, although very happy with his current kicking action and form.
 
Joined
2 Mar 2014
Messages
2,837
Likes
5,190
AFL Club
Essendon
If Reid does play half back this week as talked about we might just be keeping him a bit longer than we think.
The Eagles mooted this in the press pre-season & tried him there already didn't they? I don't think he scored too well.

I won't be holding my breath as I don't think a half-back role necessarily means he scores well.
 
Joined
2 Apr 2024
Messages
46
Likes
150
No probs. Your side looks good to me, especially for someone in their second year!

A few thoughts that come to mind:

- Cash gen is very important, especially early in the year when almost all the good rookies debut, and when you get to deploy that cash for longest. You can’t build a good side without cash gen.

- You generally want a player to have a path to making 150k to be worth trading in. Take their price, divide by 5000, and that’s roughly what they are priced to score. They need to beat that by 30+ points to make 150k, which is often a high hurdle. Very low priced players (largely rookies) and those who haven’t had their first price rise are much more likely than others.

- In general, try to fill your forward line with players who aren’t actually playing as forwards. Key position forwards in particular can be volatile, but often more down than up.

- Where possible, try to have the better scoring rookies on field and vice versa. Eg ideally you’d have Sanders on field ahead of Berry. This might only add 10 or so points per week on current averages, but gives some direction in terms of where making upgrades will be most impactful.

- Your defence bench looks concerning, but you can probably live with it if you are uncomfortable with the new rookie options on that line (I am weighing this up myself), given best 18 rounds to come and then DPPs that could allow you to swing McKercher or Roberts back (and Sanders on field).

- Don’t trade to cover a single donut.

- When weighing up which rookies to trade out, look at both near term cash gen (based on breakevens/recent scores) as well as medium term prospects - ie if they can get to what you expect them to score x 5,000, that might still be appealing even if they don’t make a lot this week or next.

Overall I would say my priorities for your side would be cash gen, strengthening F3+ and then the defence bench if you find an option that you find appealing. Good luck.


I really appreciate the detailed and lengthy reply this gives me something to think about and make some alterations to my team
 
Joined
18 Sep 2012
Messages
1,229
Likes
3,129
AFL Club
Geelong
Would love to hear opinions on which of these setups is best to move forward with?

Team 1: Fisher/Coffield > Whitfield/Darcy

Screenshot 2024-04-03 at 11.15.03 am.png

Team 2: Fisher/Coffield/Wilson > Steele/Brown/Darcy (First boost used)

Screenshot 2024-04-03 at 11.28.53 am.png
 
Last edited:
Joined
2 Mar 2023
Messages
1,931
Likes
7,042
AFL Club
Essendon
Rd 4 pending team selections.

Out:

Wines, Fisher, Jordon

In:

MCrouch, Dempsey, Heeney

**Edit: Big watch on Elijah Hollands this week with a view to straight flip Harley Reid to him in the mids next week. Looking at the poor man's Sam Flanders role & 20+ possies.
Apart from the big scores, what is the motivation for Heeney when he has the bye next week? How many Syd/Coll premiums do you have?

This is the dilemma I am facing atm, as I also don't have Heeney. Weighing up, whether I chase him, or accept I missed him.
 
Joined
18 Sep 2012
Messages
1,229
Likes
3,129
AFL Club
Geelong
Originally planned to go
Billings -> Darcy
Fisher -> Flanders
Wines -> Whitfield
However landed 9k short :cry:

Unsure what to do now, was just going to stick with Billings and Fisher to Whitfield and Darcy but then Wines news popped up. Now I'm thinking of just holding Wines and getting Flanders or Merrett next week using Jordon, Fyfe or both. Holding Wines does mean I'm able to field all 3 mid rookies which I couldn't do before, realistically if I Wines played and I benched one of them it would only gain 20-30 points, just annoying with the amount of cash on the bench.

Would prefer to go Whitfield over Flanders for structural reasons to boost the defence. Flanders has a bit of a harder matchup this week and Whitfield has bit of a nicer run as well.

Would love a bit of help in what to do if you were in my position.

View attachment 70643
I'd roll with the plan you've got there, you def need the defence bolstering that Whitfield provides. Reassess Flanders next week.
 
Joined
9 Feb 2015
Messages
9,440
Likes
57,906
AFL Club
West Coast
I'd be a little careful with Heeney, Yeo did a proper job on Bont last week and I can see the same happening this week, it's nearly a Monty that Heeney will go forward to break the tag, much the same as Bont.

Bonts heat map from last week, note the almost non existent disposals from CBA's and I'd assume stoppages as well.

Just on this, Bont had a very light week on the track after rolling his ankle the previous weekend. It was clearly bothering him in the 2nd half of the suns game - given the depth of the dogs midfield & given the quality of the opposition on the weekend, no real surprise they looked after their superstar especially in the 2nd half when they had the game well under control.
 
Joined
9 Feb 2015
Messages
9,440
Likes
57,906
AFL Club
West Coast
Sorry, just edited post.

Team 1: Fisher/Coffield > Whitfield/Darcy
Team 2: Fisher/Coffield/Wilson > Steele/Brown/Darcy (First boost used)


Any thoughts my man? @Shannon :)
You have Martin that will become a def/mid after round 6 so no real need for Whitfield. Sexton/McKercher/Roberts will also get def classification.

I like the Steele & Darcy trade in options, Fisher can certainly go - can you post your team pre trades to see the current setup, prefer to keep Wilson with his DP/late bye - had 1 poor game but I think he can bounce back & restart his cash gen
 
Joined
6 Jan 2019
Messages
222
Likes
449
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Originally planned to go
Billings -> Darcy
Fisher -> Flanders
Wines -> Whitfield
However landed 9k short :cry:

Unsure what to do now, was just going to stick with Billings and Fisher to Whitfield and Darcy but then Wines news popped up. Now I'm thinking of just holding Wines and getting Flanders or Merrett next week using Jordon, Fyfe or both. Holding Wines does mean I'm able to field all 3 mid rookies which I couldn't do before, realistically if I Wines played and I benched one of them it would only gain 20-30 points, just annoying with the amount of cash on the bench.

Would prefer to go Whitfield over Flanders for structural reasons to boost the defence. Flanders has a bit of a harder matchup this week and Whitfield has bit of a nicer run as well.

Would love a bit of help in what to do if you were in my position.

View attachment 70643
Clark from Freo instead of Whitfield perhaps
 
Joined
18 Sep 2012
Messages
1,229
Likes
3,129
AFL Club
Geelong
You have Martin that will become a def/mid after round 6 so no real need for Whitfield. Sexton/McKercher/Roberts will also get def classification.

I like the Steele & Darcy trade in options, Fisher can certainly go - can you post your team pre trades to see the current setup, prefer to keep Wilson with his DP/late bye - had 1 poor game but I think he can bounce back & restart his cash gen
Legend. Team before trades for context;

Don't have an obvious trade out for Darcy unfortunately. Enough cash for Fisher straight to Steele in one move, but 2k shy of pairing with a Coffield > Brown hence the Wilson out. Could look to move off an LDU type instead (Touk or Whitfield via Daicos to mids).

Screenshot 2024-04-03 at 1.23.09 pm.png
 
Joined
6 Mar 2024
Messages
195
Likes
357
AFL Club
Essendon
Legend. Team before trades for context;

Don't have an obvious trade out for Darcy unfortunately. Enough cash for Fisher straight to Steele in one move, but 2k shy of pairing with a Coffield > Brown hence the Wilson out. Could look to move off an LDU type instead (Touk or Whitfield via Daicos to mids).

View attachment 70661
martin-steele/touk
fisher-flanders
sexton to darcy?
not sure if the cash adds up
 
Joined
17 Feb 2013
Messages
1,474
Likes
3,407
AFL Club
Collingwood
Sorry, just edited post.

Team 1: Fisher/Coffield > Whitfield/Darcy
Team 2: Fisher/Coffield/Wilson > Steele/Brown/Darcy (First boost used)


Any thoughts my man? @Shannon :)

Coffield is the only one of those 3 that you absolutely have to get rid of and Fisher is the next level down. Fine trading those out

Darcy looks fine, albeit with big concerns over his JS and him being a 20 year old key forward.

The D6 question, should Howes be picked this week and not sub, is irrelevant because of the impending best 18 and DPPs. Not only that but your solution to the rookie at D6 involves having Harley Reid at F4 instead of M9. There's no real huge net gain there, especially as we are anly really talking for this week.

Wilson may have stalled and yuh, I'm looking to move him on to the faster moving Demspey but you are effectively moving him on for Brown and I'm really not sure that's worth the extra trade and boost. The difference in Steele over Whitfield doesn't bridge the gap either. Yes, Steele should go 5 - 10ppg better and has traditionally been more durable. The question then becomes, "is Whitfield worth having at all" which is a totally different essay. I assume you want to finish with both players so I'll keep working to that logic here.

In your boots, I'd probably go option 1. If you are really concerned about your depth in your forwards, throw Flanders down there for Reid and have Harley and Carroll job share M8 for the next few rounds. Otherwise, your structure, while heavy in the backs would be fine. Yes, you can throw Roberts, McKercher and Martin back but they will earn you just as many points sitting in your mids and 1 or two of them have to stay there anyway if you want to actually be able to do any MPP moves later with Daicos and whoever you move back.

The only thing that would really push me to going option 2 is that you have an impending crisis in your premium midfield. It looks to me like you are going to have to hunt down 5 premo mids. The forwards problem is one you share with the whole comp so let's discount that. Option 2 does start addressing your mids problem and it does it by getting Steele while he is still cheap in a dollar sense but at the cost of an extra trade and boost. If you are happy paying that trade cost, then you can do it any time. Option 1, depending on Martin's season, all but completes your backline, leaving you to fix just your mids and forwards. You have the best rookies in those positions in the meantime and some decent MPs down back to hold the fort as well

On balance, and if we say that Whitfield is a must have, it has to be option 1 for me.
 
Last edited:
Joined
17 Feb 2013
Messages
1,474
Likes
3,407
AFL Club
Collingwood
You have Martin that will become a def/mid after round 6 so no real need for Whitfield. Sexton/McKercher/Roberts will also get def classification.

I like the Steele & Darcy trade in options, Fisher can certainly go - can you post your team pre trades to see the current setup, prefer to keep Wilson with his DP/late bye - had 1 poor game but I think he can bounce back & restart his cash gen
Reckon he can't just go Steele and Darcy because he doesn't have a way to get Coffield into Steele and no other rookies are worth culling that early, unless he's had enough of Harley already..
 
Last edited:
Joined
25 Jul 2012
Messages
47,727
Likes
107,806
AFL Club
Collingwood
Legend. Team before trades for context;

Don't have an obvious trade out for Darcy unfortunately. Enough cash for Fisher straight to Steele in one move, but 2k shy of pairing with a Coffield > Brown hence the Wilson out. Could look to move off an LDU type instead (Touk or Whitfield via Daicos to mids).

View attachment 70661
Jordon (almost peaked , upcoming bye , returning players (may or not affect him) - > Darcy (JS concerns possibly )

Coffield - > Brown

Fisher - > Mid premium via Flanders
 
Top